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Axeltoss and Axslav part ways with MLG - Page 6

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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
November 13 2013 17:57 GMT
#101
It wasn't entirely unexpected. MLG doesn't support SC2 anymore and the waning enthusiasm from their side made it clear what was about to happen.
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GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
November 13 2013 18:00 GMT
#102
Not too surprising given MLG's decreased involvement with SC2, but sill unfortunate for Ax&Ax. Hopefully one of the other organizations will find room for them.
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
November 13 2013 18:05 GMT
#103
No problem.

They are really good casters and a pleasure to listen to. I'm sure they will find work soon.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
November 13 2013 18:07 GMT
#104
On November 14 2013 01:43 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 01:34 govie wrote:
If i were teamliquid.net and axelbrothers, i'd make a hard swing to dota. sc2 isnt such a good spectator sport as very little small adjustments in gameplay can define an outcome. In dota this is less the case as each character is only 10% influence in the game. Also dota has got x^65489755231 teampoosibilities and sc2 has alot less (and therefore alot of the same games). Basically, the mainstrain will never consumer sc2 as they will consume dota2 or whatever game.


You know I like to watch and play Basketball, but in Germany the majority only likes football. Should I also switch?


Ofcourse not, but teamliquid, axelbrothers and MLG do need revenue. for sc2 there will allways be fans because it is one of the hardest mechanical games on earth, but broadcasting and covering the hardest game on earth does not allways pay the bills.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-13 18:27:41
November 13 2013 18:26 GMT
#105
On November 14 2013 03:07 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 01:43 Musicus wrote:
On November 14 2013 01:34 govie wrote:
If i were teamliquid.net and axelbrothers, i'd make a hard swing to dota. sc2 isnt such a good spectator sport as very little small adjustments in gameplay can define an outcome. In dota this is less the case as each character is only 10% influence in the game. Also dota has got x^65489755231 teampoosibilities and sc2 has alot less (and therefore alot of the same games). Basically, the mainstrain will never consumer sc2 as they will consume dota2 or whatever game.


You know I like to watch and play Basketball, but in Germany the majority only likes football. Should I also switch?


Ofcourse not, but teamliquid, axelbrothers and MLG do need revenue. for sc2 there will allways be fans because it is one of the hardest mechanical games on earth, but broadcasting and covering the hardest game on earth does not allways pay the bills.


Well MLG is doing that to some extent arleady. TL added Dota2 content, but you can't expect them to drop or reduce starcraft content. Apart from their love for the game, they also basically have a monopoly as the best sc forum there is. TL is starcraft. Adding Dota2 was already big enough I think. Now the Axbros (again apart from their love for sc2) are experts on the game. I don't think they have the same level of understanding in any different game. So I think switching games is unrealistic, since they don't have a name or value in different scenes. They will stay with sc2 and I'm not that worried about them. There aren't that many affordable good casters in NA, who wouldn't make more money with a youtube channel than working for a league.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
GameHeart
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
286 Posts
November 13 2013 18:38 GMT
#106
These guys are both great, I hope someone picks them up to do regular casting again.
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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
November 13 2013 18:38 GMT
#107
that's too bad, thought axslav was awesome and so was his show, rules of engagement
Mostha
Profile Joined March 2013
Netherlands63 Posts
November 13 2013 18:40 GMT
#108
they're great casters, I'm sure they'll find someplace else to cast.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
November 13 2013 18:40 GMT
#109
Dont give up Axslav it would be a shame.
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OPL3SA2
Profile Joined April 2011
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-13 18:53:24
November 13 2013 18:45 GMT
#110
I don't understand what all the speculation is about. I don't know why sundance doesn't just shine some light on the matter. He's old spoke about it twice I think and a total of a couple of tweets. I think his stance on it is basically "look we tried to monetize it, and it didn't work out. Maybe the game is not ready. I know that some other games are, plus we don't have to spend licensing fees just to hold a tournament, so let's just go with them." I would have to summarize sundance's position as this.

And that goes right back to the esports charity argument. You have corporations and business entities getting into the starcraft mix, what did you think was going to happen? They are only in it to turn a profit. When you try to turn something like a hobby of starcraft or a game of starcraft into the sport of starcraft, it only follows that it must turn a profit. People may argue what does or does not constitue a "sport" but I have to add that turning a profit is probably a very important watershed moment for when an activity becomes a sport. Starcraft seemed to have turned that corner, but has it really?

- teams disappearing left and right
- sponsorship money for teams not paid
- prize money for tournaments not paid
- tournaments dropping starcraft 2 from competitive prize pool
- players complaining about lack of transparency

If you look at the trajectory here, I'd say we were close to becoming a sport, but not quite. It's going to take several more years and perhaps several more iterations of this game we've come to love in order for it to become a sport. But that's why things become sports also - because no one gives up on it. Don't be suprised at the lack of attention you're getting - be happy there is any interest at all. Keep your head down and keep at it. But if a guy like sundance can't see what's special about this game (this game, which by the way created inside of it the other games we're competing against...) then you can't explain it to him. It would be easier to get your high school principal to invest in the future of starcraft. It's not going to happen. That being said, it's not really important that business executives like Giovanni understand how special the game is. In fact, if we're relying on CEO's of major organizations to fund starcraft at a net loss, it's charity, and that's not sports. No one said the goal was to convince people of how great of a community we have or how special we are. My mother is not on my resume as one of my professional references, even though she understands I'm pretty special.

But it's not the worst thing in the world. It'll happen eventually. When the esports scene hits it's moment of inertia, we'll all recognize it. But stop trying to push what are ultimately delusional goals on a flowering bud.
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CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
November 13 2013 18:58 GMT
#111
Man, this is sad news.

I've followed MLG since 2006 when they were doing Halo 2, one of my favorite games ever, and I got so excited when they picked up SC2, as well. Until now, even though they stopped hosting SC2 tournaments, I thought it was mostly due to conflicts with WCS that they would resolve for next year. After all, they've continued broadcasting SC2 on their website, and even now there's an old SC2 stream that is being played on their front page.

However, by releasing their commentators for SC2, it looks like their serious intentions with SC2 are at an end... who is going to pick up the slack and make this game awesome in NA again? It was always fun having the rivalry between MLG and Dreamhack, and it would be a shame to have nothing in NA to match it.

Not only sad to think that a huge part of SC2 is gone for us, but I've been following MLG for so long, it's weird to realize that they don't have a single game on their circuit now that I even care about.

Well, whatever. Best of luck to Axletoss and Axslav, hope you guys find a niche in the scene to fill, and maybe you can even be involved in continuing to grow the NA SC2 scene. One can only hope. Cheers on a job well done at MLG, though
Waterflow
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1550 Posts
November 13 2013 19:00 GMT
#112
I like them. Hope they get picked up by a new organisation.
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
November 13 2013 19:02 GMT
#113
There is nothing major about mlg. They should rebrand as MSG - MainStream Gaming lol.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
November 13 2013 19:06 GMT
#114
On November 14 2013 03:05 Psychobabas wrote:
No problem.

They are really good casters and a pleasure to listen to. I'm sure they will find work soon.


I hope so too, but it may require migrating games.
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
November 13 2013 19:19 GMT
#115
It would be nice if an interview could be made with Sundance asking him if there are any future plans for SC2 at MLG, especially with the format change for WCS.
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LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
November 13 2013 19:19 GMT
#116
Man, this sucks, say what you will about their casting but they did every event they could, from dreamhack down to the smallest tournaments you could find. I was lucky enough to play on stream with MLG and it was awesome. This is a real shame.
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JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-13 20:29:14
November 13 2013 20:28 GMT
#117
the new xbox1 and ps4 is about to released. gotta gear up for the latest cod and halo's you know?
can't say no to that sony&microsoft money!
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 13 2013 20:29 GMT
#118
On November 14 2013 03:07 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 01:43 Musicus wrote:
On November 14 2013 01:34 govie wrote:
If i were teamliquid.net and axelbrothers, i'd make a hard swing to dota. sc2 isnt such a good spectator sport as very little small adjustments in gameplay can define an outcome. In dota this is less the case as each character is only 10% influence in the game. Also dota has got x^65489755231 teampoosibilities and sc2 has alot less (and therefore alot of the same games). Basically, the mainstrain will never consumer sc2 as they will consume dota2 or whatever game.


You know I like to watch and play Basketball, but in Germany the majority only likes football. Should I also switch?


Ofcourse not, but teamliquid, axelbrothers and MLG do need revenue. for sc2 there will allways be fans because it is one of the hardest mechanical games on earth, but broadcasting and covering the hardest game on earth does not allways pay the bills.


Hey, maybe they just don't want to do DotA because they like Starcraft and/or don't like DotA?
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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
November 13 2013 20:35 GMT
#119
Oh man, that sucks for the two of them, I hope they find something new
Was a long time coming though, with MLG basically dropping SC2 altogether (traitors! ).
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 13 2013 20:37 GMT
#120
On November 14 2013 05:28 JimSocks wrote:
the new xbox1 and ps4 is about to released. gotta gear up for the latest cod and halo's you know?
can't say no to that sony&microsoft money!

Wtf are you talking about? Dota 2 is MLGs main show this time out. And Titan fall looks like the fucking shit and I will watch that any day.
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