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seoul_kiM
United States545 Posts
On October 29 2013 03:58 Chinnro wrote: Naniwhine the GM of BM strikes again! When are you fanboy apologists going to hold him to account? Can you imagine a real sportsperson doing this? No. Embarrassing. Real sportspersons don't play in broken formatted leagues. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On October 29 2013 04:06 Thieving Magpie wrote: Blizzard, do Bo9 showmatch between Naniwa and Revival RIGHT NOW! Prize is WCS Points! Blizzard would have to be riot level of cool to do that. | ||
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Mangooze
Netherlands301 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 29 2013 04:07 PanN wrote: Blizzard would have to be riot level of cool to do that. I'd call in sick to work AND sleep on the coach to stay up and watch that shit  | ||
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Voyage
Germany71 Posts
On October 29 2013 04:07 PanN wrote: Blizzard would have to be riot level of cool to do that. Are you being ironic? I honestly can not tell. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On October 29 2013 04:09 Voyage wrote: Are you being ironic? I honestly can not tell. No, I don't even know how I could possibly be "ironic" with what I said. I'm being serious. Riot has ways of getting in touch with the community that blizzard can only dream of. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On October 29 2013 03:23 ffadicted wrote: Oh god here comes the shitstorm... I'm all for defending stuff in eSports and avoiding drama tbh, but idk about this one haha I guess it's obviously not as awful as offering money to lose, but it's still, it's kind of sketchy territory. On the fence on thsi one, gonna wait for the discussion There is nothing sketchy at all. If you win you get a prize and that's it. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 29 2013 04:09 Daswollvieh wrote: Haha, this is awesome. Bring on the storyline! This is what I miss the most about Catsinpajamas! Do you remember when Hyun was slaying nerds week in week out? Do you remember how big that bounty on his head got after all that time and how exciting each match was after that! | ||
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
On October 29 2013 03:58 Chinnro wrote: Naniwhine the GM of BM strikes again! When are you fanboy apologists going to hold him to account? Can you imagine a real sportsperson doing this? No. Embarrassing. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5962435&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines The only difference is that these are offered by teams and not individuals. This actually happens a lot, and in fact I bet it happens in some eSports pro contracts too. I can't guarantee it, but just using the recent EG documentary, Alex Garfield made a comment that HuK's (2012?) contract was in no way incentive based. That implies that there are incentive based contracts out there. There are a few reasons this could be sketchy. First of all it's essentially a team-kill situation, so while Alliance is not technically EG, I don't think Mr. Garfield would be particularly keen on this type of outward response. I can't say for sure, and obviously this is just an assumption, but I wouldn't want one of my players offering money to directly affect one of my other players. Additionally, this isn't really a contract situation and Naniwa doesn't need to put his money where his mouth is. He can say whatever he wants and while anyone might take Revival out, he wouldn't be required to pay up. However, I think it's a relatively harmless thing to say in the first place. Realistically, anyone going to a tournament is going to try their best, so it's almost unnecessary to say at all that he's offering money to whoever takes revival out because if you're not going to do your best at the tournament you shouldn't really be there, no? There's still a much larger prize available for winning IEM than the measly $500 Naniwa's offering. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 29 2013 04:12 Prog455 wrote: There is nothing sketchy at all. If you win you get a prize and that's it. I don't see how its sketchy to pay someone to do better than they would have otherwise.... That's like saying its sketchy to have a salary or prize money. Paying people to lose, now that's sketchy. Paying revival to not give his all, that is sketchy. But telling people "Hey, I know you got no shot at getting to WCS, but $500 says you might want to play the best damn starcraft of your life" is just all kinds of awesome. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 29 2013 04:15 Zenbrez wrote: I can't believe the amount of people taking his comment seriously. Unreal. Calm down. Shush you! This hype train is worth its weight in esports rupies! Its about time we had fun with SC2 again | ||
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Germany4057 Posts
its at least a cool tweet. i like how some people really complain about that. all about drama | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
 ...and yeah, I'm pretty sure Revival laughed so much he peed his pants when he saw this. He maybe even got a bit flattered!  | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Waise
3165 Posts
On October 29 2013 03:47 [17]Purple wrote: Since I'm absolutely inexperienced when it comes to actual sports. Has there ever been a situation similar to this? I'd be interested to hear it to be honest because I personally see nothing wrong with this sort of thing though I may be overlooking something very important. well, one of the factors was pointed out by another poster, which is that it's unfair to revival for naniwa to be offering extra incentives. what is revival supposed to do? counter-offer? so now players are mercenaries and having more money means you should be able to improve your chances of winning? i think everyone in challenger is going to compete hard regardless, so i don't think realistically it will affect much. but if we're assuming naniwa is serious and he does think there's a realistic advantage to be gained this way, it's definitely something that degrades the legitimacy of the competition also, if EG sponsors for example found out that people were putting hits out on their players, they probably wouldn't be happy with blizzard. imagine if you sponsored someone for a boxing tournament and then found out that another competitor has a rich family willing to pay extra money to anyone who beats your guy. suddenly your hard work and your player's skill are being weighed not against something equal, but an outside factor that really shouldn't matter it's not an issue of morality, it's an issue of professionalism. simple question - do people want SC2 and esports to be taken seriously and elevated as a medium? if yes, this kind of thing is totally inappropriate and unfair. on the other hand, if for some reason you prefer esports to be a sort of niche, "street rules" kind of community, i guess there's no problem with it. but that kind of attitude isn't going to be good for tournaments and the scene on a larger scale can you prevent people from doing this under the table? probably not, if they're smart about it. but if he's going to just openly turn the scene into a bounty hunting arena on twitter, i think blizz has to at least step in and tell him look, this isn't how we do things | ||
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