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WCS AM - Polt defeats ByuL in Finals (Season 3) - Page 4

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skyflyfish
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada499 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 17:09:48
October 21 2013 17:08 GMT
#61
polt always delivers awesome/scrappy games, win or lose. start of Ro32 vs Sage, ro16 vs ByuL/Apocalypse, ro8 vs heart ro4 vs oz.
as1
Elitios
Profile Joined February 2012
France164 Posts
October 21 2013 17:10 GMT
#62
On October 22 2013 01:58 stratmatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 01:49 Elitios wrote:
For those who didn't yet watch the game, they were amazing, watch them!
Also, Polt is showing that perfecting one single build down to the smallest detail is the way to go, as opposed to knowing a lot of builds, but not as refined.
I also wonder about the zerg late game, since Byul managed the mid game almost perfectly in thos games. Can Zerg have a way to incoporate the 30 muta flock into a late game comp? I think sacking those mutas gives up too much of the zerg potentness as they are the real threat (cf polt in the post games interview :"just follow the mutas" ) but I know they aren't enough to fight a 3-3 bio force.
Also, I wonder if the real reason why nobody use infestor nowadays is that the style of ZvT is so taxing on the multitasking front that microing such an unit may be too much in addition to all that is happening. Maybe some zerg can enlighten me ?


You mean Polt is showing that is ONE way to go?


Yes, one way to go among many, but THE most efficient way to go.

On October 22 2013 02:00 lolfail9001 wrote:

1st. Will watch, seems ByuL pretty good.
2nd. Typical Korean ladder way, seriously.
3rd. Tbh i think 25+ mutas with ling bane and occasional infestor is pretty much perfect late game comp for zvt, especially since it handles the late game economy of terran so nicely with it's mobility, but that's just my rather noob opinion.
4th. Infestors... suck if are not used to lock down units for ultras to shred.


4: why is that ? if you fungle medivacs for the mutas to kill or the marines for the banes, it still seems worth it, not counting the fact that infested terran harass can still be good in late game low econ slugfests
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 21 2013 17:16 GMT
#63
On October 22 2013 00:50 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 23:07 Noocta wrote:
On October 21 2013 22:53 Zarahtra wrote:
On October 21 2013 21:59 Jazzman88 wrote:
"Dense ball of mutalisk ball" cracked me up.

This was an epic finals. 4-1 as a score does not even come close to telling the story of the razor's edge both players were walking in every game. Byul had legitimate chances to win every game and either just barely missed the killing blow or Polt made a miraculous defense before counterpunching for the same on Byul's side. A truly great series.

I think it was rather just that Byul didn't really have that great lategame while Polt is just a tactical genius. He just kept trading, never really striking gold, but always just trading in his favor until when Byul started making small mistakes he pounced.


Honestly, Zerg players seems a bit lost in the late game in ZvT nowadays.
Hive tech is somewhat in a weird state right now. Viper are hard to use against Bio, Broodlords are too slow against Bio Mines ( tank army were easier to abuse ).
Ultra are good but you need infestors with them and the transition from Muta play to infestor ultra is a lot harder than WoL transition from infestor ling to ultra infestor ling.

Give them time to find a way I guess. They already started to learn how to deal with bio mines with ling muta, and that's why they are heavily sticking with it right now.


There are a few key moments the Zerg has to be careful about. 3-3 and if the Terran sneaks in another base somewhere. At this point they often lose their Mutas, due to the explosion of power in the Terran army.
Infestors are not needed for Ultras since the Muta buff and Overseer speed made it insanely easy as the detection doesn't fall behind anymore. As long as you have enough Mutas they will deal constant and more then enough damage to the Bio and you can easily dodge mines with them and only have to retreat after 1 or 2 critical hits. If you had been ahead enough to get enough ultras or even fight on creep for a few transfuses you will get the Medivacs and then its goodbye with cost efficiency for the Terran.
Infestors new Fungal mechanic is also really bad for dealing with fleeing units and the biggest issue is that they only have limited anti air options, and the Medivac cloud is the only thing that keeps the Terran alive lategame. (god have mercy if they find out they have an energy upgrade for those things in TvZ, they would basically build 3 medivacs for the price o 2 if they lost their cloud)

So yes Infestors are a nice addition (especially for denying new bases with ITs), but they are not what you want to mass against a Terran if you go for Ultras. Since the real issue are the Medivacs nothing else. Wouldn't help if Zergs would keep their red ultras alive and transfuse them healthy again. I do it by burrowing them, so I don't have to switch groups or anything and every scan is as if you killed 5 Marines.

But I am deeply impressed by ByuL, I knew already how indestructible Polt is so I was prepared for that.


Hum, I can agree with that.
Although, Ultra are still the only Hive tech choice that seem to matter against Bio in ZvT. And they are easy to prepare for in that case.
Zerg players definitely need to be more cautious of their Ultras. They are beefy enough to be reusable for long period of time.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
October 21 2013 17:24 GMT
#64
On October 22 2013 02:10 Elitios wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 01:58 stratmatt wrote:
On October 22 2013 01:49 Elitios wrote:
For those who didn't yet watch the game, they were amazing, watch them!
Also, Polt is showing that perfecting one single build down to the smallest detail is the way to go, as opposed to knowing a lot of builds, but not as refined.
I also wonder about the zerg late game, since Byul managed the mid game almost perfectly in thos games. Can Zerg have a way to incoporate the 30 muta flock into a late game comp? I think sacking those mutas gives up too much of the zerg potentness as they are the real threat (cf polt in the post games interview :"just follow the mutas" ) but I know they aren't enough to fight a 3-3 bio force.
Also, I wonder if the real reason why nobody use infestor nowadays is that the style of ZvT is so taxing on the multitasking front that microing such an unit may be too much in addition to all that is happening. Maybe some zerg can enlighten me ?


You mean Polt is showing that is ONE way to go?


Yes, one way to go among many, but THE most efficient way to go.

infested terran harass can still be good in late game low econ slugfests



I agree that its probably the best way to go in a tournament of this format where you play matches in the same day but for a gsl style format, i feel that having a single build will get you stomped out sooner than later.
Elitios
Profile Joined February 2012
France164 Posts
October 21 2013 17:42 GMT
#65
On October 22 2013 02:24 stratmatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 02:10 Elitios wrote:
On October 22 2013 01:58 stratmatt wrote:
On October 22 2013 01:49 Elitios wrote:
For those who didn't yet watch the game, they were amazing, watch them!
Also, Polt is showing that perfecting one single build down to the smallest detail is the way to go, as opposed to knowing a lot of builds, but not as refined.
I also wonder about the zerg late game, since Byul managed the mid game almost perfectly in thos games. Can Zerg have a way to incoporate the 30 muta flock into a late game comp? I think sacking those mutas gives up too much of the zerg potentness as they are the real threat (cf polt in the post games interview :"just follow the mutas" ) but I know they aren't enough to fight a 3-3 bio force.
Also, I wonder if the real reason why nobody use infestor nowadays is that the style of ZvT is so taxing on the multitasking front that microing such an unit may be too much in addition to all that is happening. Maybe some zerg can enlighten me ?


You mean Polt is showing that is ONE way to go?


Yes, one way to go among many, but THE most efficient way to go.

infested terran harass can still be good in late game low econ slugfests



I agree that its probably the best way to go in a tournament of this format where you play matches in the same day but for a gsl style format, i feel that having a single build will get you stomped out sooner than later.



Yeah, you are probably right.
Babbage
Profile Joined October 2013
United States7 Posts
October 21 2013 17:44 GMT
#66
On October 22 2013 02:24 stratmatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 02:10 Elitios wrote:
On October 22 2013 01:58 stratmatt wrote:
On October 22 2013 01:49 Elitios wrote:
For those who didn't yet watch the game, they were amazing, watch them!
Also, Polt is showing that perfecting one single build down to the smallest detail is the way to go, as opposed to knowing a lot of builds, but not as refined.
I also wonder about the zerg late game, since Byul managed the mid game almost perfectly in thos games. Can Zerg have a way to incoporate the 30 muta flock into a late game comp? I think sacking those mutas gives up too much of the zerg potentness as they are the real threat (cf polt in the post games interview :"just follow the mutas" ) but I know they aren't enough to fight a 3-3 bio force.
Also, I wonder if the real reason why nobody use infestor nowadays is that the style of ZvT is so taxing on the multitasking front that microing such an unit may be too much in addition to all that is happening. Maybe some zerg can enlighten me ?


You mean Polt is showing that is ONE way to go?


Yes, one way to go among many, but THE most efficient way to go.

infested terran harass can still be good in late game low econ slugfests



I agree that its probably the best way to go in a tournament of this format where you play matches in the same day but for a gsl style format, i feel that having a single build will get you stomped out sooner than later.


I think he went with one build cause he didnt have the practice time to fine tune many builds.
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 21 2013 18:12 GMT
#67
The All-American.

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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 21 2013 18:14 GMT
#68
On October 22 2013 02:10 Elitios wrote:
4: why is that ? if you fungle medivacs for the mutas to kill or the marines for the banes, it still seems worth it, not counting the fact that infested terran harass can still be good in late game low econ slugfests

Fungal is only good if you manage to chain it, it is not WoL and chain fungal is only easy if you actually catch medivacs in fungals. Next, you are making an assumption of good amounts of mutas, banes and infestors being affordable on 8 gas economy when you are constantly trading.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 18:16:27
October 21 2013 18:15 GMT
#69
Game Two says Derelict, should be Frost of course. Edit: in the full game descriptions

NIce writeup!
FuRRie
Profile Joined February 2009
Belgium815 Posts
October 21 2013 18:16 GMT
#70
Game 4, amazing play by both, bot omg Polt, how did he do that in the end.
GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
October 21 2013 18:16 GMT
#71
Polt is incredible for being so consistent. Picking up a single championship is impressive, but over the course of BW/SC2 history there have been so many players that make one good run and then just kind of disappear afterward. Polt has had his ups and downs, but it's still impressive to see him play so well for so long.

And man, Blizzard should be so thankful to Polt for bringing at least some element of America-ness to WCS America. Not that he completely absolves them of the choices they've made about regions/residency for the WCS system, but I think his victories have helped triage a lot of the negative feelings people have toward the tournament. I think there'd have be a lot more grumbling and pitchforks (and a lot less viewers) if the finals had been something like Byul vs. Heart, for instance.
Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 18:21:10
October 21 2013 18:20 GMT
#72
Polt, the American hero that we deserve
ヾ(@⌒_⌒@)ノ
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 18:23:13
October 21 2013 18:22 GMT
#73
"heart of his dense ball of mutalisk ball"? why not heart of his dense mutalisk ball?

but saw that video, holy shit. Those mutas evaporated >.> Congrats to Polt. Sad that Jaedong didn't get another chance this season Good writeup!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
October 21 2013 18:24 GMT
#74
Polt's resilience, the power of Terran 3/3, and Byul's loss of focus whenever he tried to make a hive transition really defined this series. Oh, and the fact that both these players have some of the biggest stamina for long engagements I've seen and Polt just does it better.
astray71
Profile Joined February 2012
United States325 Posts
October 21 2013 18:24 GMT
#75
That game 4 rivals Taeja vs Innovation game 3 at Season 2
There is no victory without the blessing of god, and there is no god but Madlife.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 21 2013 18:27 GMT
#76
Love Polt <3
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
October 21 2013 18:32 GMT
#77
I feel like the game two recap didn't quite capture the excitement of the game.

That was a truly great game as well. (Also wrong map name)

It had the entertaining element of Billy, and then a ridiculous come from behind victory from Polt.

Byul's mutalisk attacks were on point. He came in and destroyed barracks addons crippling Polt in the early game. And denied and killed Polts 4th base several times over while putting up his own 5th and possibly 6th bases.

It looked really bad for Polt until he all of a sudden killed all of Byuls mining bases at the same time.

That game was in my pov a more exciting game than game 4 because it was not quite as drawn out and affected by fatigue.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
October 21 2013 18:33 GMT
#78
On October 22 2013 02:44 Babbage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 02:24 stratmatt wrote:
On October 22 2013 02:10 Elitios wrote:
On October 22 2013 01:58 stratmatt wrote:
On October 22 2013 01:49 Elitios wrote:
For those who didn't yet watch the game, they were amazing, watch them!
Also, Polt is showing that perfecting one single build down to the smallest detail is the way to go, as opposed to knowing a lot of builds, but not as refined.
I also wonder about the zerg late game, since Byul managed the mid game almost perfectly in thos games. Can Zerg have a way to incoporate the 30 muta flock into a late game comp? I think sacking those mutas gives up too much of the zerg potentness as they are the real threat (cf polt in the post games interview :"just follow the mutas" ) but I know they aren't enough to fight a 3-3 bio force.
Also, I wonder if the real reason why nobody use infestor nowadays is that the style of ZvT is so taxing on the multitasking front that microing such an unit may be too much in addition to all that is happening. Maybe some zerg can enlighten me ?


You mean Polt is showing that is ONE way to go?


Yes, one way to go among many, but THE most efficient way to go.

infested terran harass can still be good in late game low econ slugfests



I agree that its probably the best way to go in a tournament of this format where you play matches in the same day but for a gsl style format, i feel that having a single build will get you stomped out sooner than later.


I think he went with one build cause he didnt have the practice time to fine tune many builds.

Nah, Polt usually keeps doing the same build as long as it works. Look at his GSL final vs MMA.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 19:06:27
October 21 2013 18:34 GMT
#79
On October 21 2013 22:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 22:51 XtreMe_au wrote:
Three championships this year is really impressive

One can say he pulled a TaeJa.

Only a couple more to pull an Mvp.
SneX
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden377 Posts
October 21 2013 18:39 GMT
#80
Gratz Polt I've only watched game 4 as everyone recommended it and it was good Looking forward to the season finals!
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