On October 22 2013 00:05 nimdil wrote:
Is IM still sponsored by LG? I thought that they stopped sponsoring IM and were supposed to pay something to the team.

Yeah but we are supposed to pretend that they are still sponsored by them until they come back

boxerfred

Germany8360 Posts

October 21 2013 15:20 GMT

#51

Does polt even train?

Darkhorse

United States23455 Posts

October 21 2013 15:23 GMT

#52

On October 22 2013 00:20 boxerfred wrote:
Does polt even train?

Polt do you even lift? But he mentioned he barely practiced before this tournament because of midterms

Ctesias

4595 Posts

October 21 2013 15:30 GMT

#53

On October 22 2013 00:20 boxerfred wrote:
Does polt even train?

Don't have to, bro.

Koromon

United States304 Posts

October 21 2013 15:39 GMT

#54

:3 Polt was so hawt in the finals~~

I hope he pulls out both an 11/11 and some random mech strat just once each in the season finals or blizzcon against a Z just to give his opponent maybe pinch themselves to make sure it's not a dream

Dijego

Netherlands33 Posts

October 21 2013 15:47 GMT

#55

Without Billy the hero marine Polt would have never been able to win the series. ^^;

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

October 21 2013 15:50 GMT

#56

On October 21 2013 23:07 Noocta wrote:

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Honestly, Zerg players seems a bit lost in the late game in ZvT nowadays.
Hive tech is somewhat in a weird state right now. Viper are hard to use against Bio, Broodlords are too slow against Bio Mines ( tank army were easier to abuse ).
Ultra are good but you need infestors with them and the transition from Muta play to infestor ultra is a lot harder than WoL transition from infestor ling to ultra infestor ling.

Give them time to find a way I guess. They already started to learn how to deal with bio mines with ling muta, and that's why they are heavily sticking with it right now.

There are a few key moments the Zerg has to be careful about. 3-3 and if the Terran sneaks in another base somewhere. At this point they often lose their Mutas, due to the explosion of power in the Terran army.
Infestors are not needed for Ultras since the Muta buff and Overseer speed made it insanely easy as the detection doesn't fall behind anymore. As long as you have enough Mutas they will deal constant and more then enough damage to the Bio and you can easily dodge mines with them and only have to retreat after 1 or 2 critical hits. If you had been ahead enough to get enough ultras or even fight on creep for a few transfuses you will get the Medivacs and then its goodbye with cost efficiency for the Terran.
Infestors new Fungal mechanic is also really bad for dealing with fleeing units and the biggest issue is that they only have limited anti air options, and the Medivac cloud is the only thing that keeps the Terran alive lategame. (god have mercy if they find out they have an energy upgrade for those things in TvZ, they would basically build 3 medivacs for the price o 2 if they lost their cloud)

So yes Infestors are a nice addition (especially for denying new bases with ITs), but they are not what you want to mass against a Terran if you go for Ultras. Since the real issue are the Medivacs nothing else. Wouldn't help if Zergs would keep their red ultras alive and transfuse them healthy again. I do it by burrowing them, so I don't have to switch groups or anything and every scan is as if you killed 5 Marines.

But I am deeply impressed by ByuL, I knew already how indestructible Polt is so I was prepared for that.

Elitios

France164 Posts

October 21 2013 16:49 GMT

#57

For those who didn't yet watch the game, they were amazing, watch them!
Also, Polt is showing that perfecting one single build down to the smallest detail is the way to go, as opposed to knowing a lot of builds, but not as refined.
I also wonder about the zerg late game, since Byul managed the mid game almost perfectly in thos games. Can Zerg have a way to incoporate the 30 muta flock into a late game comp? I think sacking those mutas gives up too much of the zerg potentness as they are the real threat (cf polt in the post games interview :"just follow the mutas" ) but I know they aren't enough to fight a 3-3 bio force.
Also, I wonder if the real reason why nobody use infestor nowadays is that the style of ZvT is so taxing on the multitasking front that microing such an unit may be too much in addition to all that is happening. Maybe some zerg can enlighten me ?

stratmatt

United States913 Posts

October 21 2013 16:58 GMT

#58

On October 22 2013 01:49 Elitios wrote:
For those who didn't yet watch the game, they were amazing, watch them!
Also, Polt is showing that perfecting one single build down to the smallest detail is the way to go, as opposed to knowing a lot of builds, but not as refined.
I also wonder about the zerg late game, since Byul managed the mid game almost perfectly in thos games. Can Zerg have a way to incoporate the 30 muta flock into a late game comp? I think sacking those mutas gives up too much of the zerg potentness as they are the real threat (cf polt in the post games interview :"just follow the mutas" ) but I know they aren't enough to fight a 3-3 bio force.
Also, I wonder if the real reason why nobody use infestor nowadays is that the style of ZvT is so taxing on the multitasking front that microing such an unit may be too much in addition to all that is happening. Maybe some zerg can enlighten me ?

You mean Polt is showing that is ONE way to go?

lolfail9001

Russian Federation40190 Posts

October 21 2013 17:00 GMT

#59

1st. Will watch, seems ByuL pretty good.
2nd. Typical Korean ladder way, seriously.
3rd. Tbh i think 25+ mutas with ling bane and occasional infestor is pretty much perfect late game comp for zvt, especially since it handles the late game economy of terran so nicely with it's mobility, but that's just my rather noob opinion.
4th. Infestors... suck if are not used to lock down units for ultras to shred.