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Bad move by IEM, the player choice for the replacement is so blatant, I won't even go into that. It will give a lot of shit of publicity to ESL and their tournaments, its not like the player seeding to that tournament was controversial already.
However I would like to know Blizzard stance on this one, considering it is affecting their tournament. It is kind of giving Blizzard WCS points by third parties, to players of the third parties choice. I thought that people were supposed to have a fair competition in WCS system, not some corrupt, based on relations casting process.
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On October 08 2013 03:15 Weavel wrote:
Pretty clever by koreans. Now revival has change to get to blizzcon.
I have never seen a more stupid comment.
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This doesn't seem fair at all.
I'd like to summon Nerchio to give his testimony on the matters at hand.
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On October 08 2013 01:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:31 HoboJoe20 wrote:From Nazroth on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1nwlvv/millforgg_will_not_be_attending_iem_new_york_he/ccmtf8dIn answer to the issues raised with replacing ForGG with Revival, we wanted to make sure everyone was clear on how this happened. Firstly, ForGG still has a flight, he chose not to take it, however it was booked for him and remains valid if he wanted to go.
Unfortunately, as the flight was already booked we cannot in the short space of time grant the paid slot to those players next in line (Nerchio and Grubby) thus have to look at those players who have requested un-paid slots if one comes up. Revival was on that list of players and agreed when approached to attend at very short notice. The price of doing so is not insignificant, so obviously not everyone could afford a last minute un-paid slot. Both Nerchio and Grubby were approached some time ago and asked if they wanted an un-paid slot if it came up and both declined.
We do however apologise that our rules on replacements aren’t clear enough and will make sure this is corrected. Apologies for the confusion. Now its even more fucked. Grubby: "I don't know about Nerchio but I was asked regarding an unpaid slot in the open bracket, not in the main tournament. There's an important difference. I do appreciate the quick answer and explanation. #visaissuesdosuck"
Yeah, this certainly deserves an explanation. Revival pays his ticket and get straight into the main tournament?? EU loses a spot and Korea gets one. It would have made more sense giving a random guy in NY a chance if you need a last minute replacement. That at least wouldn't impact the qualification for the WCS Grand Finals.
Also, why on earth do they not buy tickets that can be changed? The ticket price difference can't be that high and how many cases have we seen this year alone where players all of a sudden have a visa issue or something else that stops them from participating on short notice.
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On October 08 2013 05:41 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On October 08 2013 01:31 HoboJoe20 wrote:From Nazroth on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1nwlvv/millforgg_will_not_be_attending_iem_new_york_he/ccmtf8dIn answer to the issues raised with replacing ForGG with Revival, we wanted to make sure everyone was clear on how this happened. Firstly, ForGG still has a flight, he chose not to take it, however it was booked for him and remains valid if he wanted to go.
Unfortunately, as the flight was already booked we cannot in the short space of time grant the paid slot to those players next in line (Nerchio and Grubby) thus have to look at those players who have requested un-paid slots if one comes up. Revival was on that list of players and agreed when approached to attend at very short notice. The price of doing so is not insignificant, so obviously not everyone could afford a last minute un-paid slot. Both Nerchio and Grubby were approached some time ago and asked if they wanted an un-paid slot if it came up and both declined.
We do however apologise that our rules on replacements aren’t clear enough and will make sure this is corrected. Apologies for the confusion. Now its even more fucked. Grubby: "I don't know about Nerchio but I was asked regarding an unpaid slot in the open bracket, not in the main tournament. There's an important difference. I do appreciate the quick answer and explanation. #visaissuesdosuck" Yeah, this certainly deserves an explanation. Revival pays his ticket and get straight into the main tournament?? EU loses a spot and Korea gets one. It would have made more sense giving a random guy in NY a chance if you need a last minute replacement. That at least wouldn't impact the qualification for the WCS Grand Finals. Also, why on earth do they not buy tickets that can be changed? The ticket price difference can't be that high and how many cases have we seen this year alone where players all of a sudden have a visa issue or something else that stops them from participating on short notice.
As I said, took me two minutes to find a return ticket Frankfurt <-> New York with the matching dates for less than 500€.
I think it was especially cheap because last minute. 
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On October 08 2013 05:41 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On October 08 2013 01:31 HoboJoe20 wrote:From Nazroth on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1nwlvv/millforgg_will_not_be_attending_iem_new_york_he/ccmtf8dIn answer to the issues raised with replacing ForGG with Revival, we wanted to make sure everyone was clear on how this happened. Firstly, ForGG still has a flight, he chose not to take it, however it was booked for him and remains valid if he wanted to go.
Unfortunately, as the flight was already booked we cannot in the short space of time grant the paid slot to those players next in line (Nerchio and Grubby) thus have to look at those players who have requested un-paid slots if one comes up. Revival was on that list of players and agreed when approached to attend at very short notice. The price of doing so is not insignificant, so obviously not everyone could afford a last minute un-paid slot. Both Nerchio and Grubby were approached some time ago and asked if they wanted an un-paid slot if it came up and both declined.
We do however apologise that our rules on replacements aren’t clear enough and will make sure this is corrected. Apologies for the confusion. Now its even more fucked. Grubby: "I don't know about Nerchio but I was asked regarding an unpaid slot in the open bracket, not in the main tournament. There's an important difference. I do appreciate the quick answer and explanation. #visaissuesdosuck" Yeah, this certainly deserves an explanation. Revival pays his ticket and get straight into the main tournament?? EU loses a spot and Korea gets one. It would have made more sense giving a random guy in NY a chance if you need a last minute replacement. That at least wouldn't impact the qualification for the WCS Grand Finals. Also, why on earth do they not buy tickets that can be changed? The ticket price difference can't be that high and how many cases have we seen this year alone where players all of a sudden have a visa issue or something else that stops them from participating on short notice.
All plane tickets are non-transferable and non-refundable. You can pay substantially more for a transferable/refundable version.
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So EG players like to get free WCS points or what. First Alive now Revival. That EG connection. (Alive is ok though). This is pretty messed up as the EU hope in Naniwa just get screwed big time.
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The increase in the qualification chance for Blizzcon makes it very likely financially worthwhile for revival to participate.
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On October 08 2013 05:52 Bigtony wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 05:41 BaneRiders wrote:On October 08 2013 01:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On October 08 2013 01:31 HoboJoe20 wrote:From Nazroth on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1nwlvv/millforgg_will_not_be_attending_iem_new_york_he/ccmtf8dIn answer to the issues raised with replacing ForGG with Revival, we wanted to make sure everyone was clear on how this happened. Firstly, ForGG still has a flight, he chose not to take it, however it was booked for him and remains valid if he wanted to go.
Unfortunately, as the flight was already booked we cannot in the short space of time grant the paid slot to those players next in line (Nerchio and Grubby) thus have to look at those players who have requested un-paid slots if one comes up. Revival was on that list of players and agreed when approached to attend at very short notice. The price of doing so is not insignificant, so obviously not everyone could afford a last minute un-paid slot. Both Nerchio and Grubby were approached some time ago and asked if they wanted an un-paid slot if it came up and both declined.
We do however apologise that our rules on replacements aren’t clear enough and will make sure this is corrected. Apologies for the confusion. Now its even more fucked. Grubby: "I don't know about Nerchio but I was asked regarding an unpaid slot in the open bracket, not in the main tournament. There's an important difference. I do appreciate the quick answer and explanation. #visaissuesdosuck" Yeah, this certainly deserves an explanation. Revival pays his ticket and get straight into the main tournament?? EU loses a spot and Korea gets one. It would have made more sense giving a random guy in NY a chance if you need a last minute replacement. That at least wouldn't impact the qualification for the WCS Grand Finals. Also, why on earth do they not buy tickets that can be changed? The ticket price difference can't be that high and how many cases have we seen this year alone where players all of a sudden have a visa issue or something else that stops them from participating on short notice. All plane tickets are non-transferable and non-refundable. You can pay substantially more for a transferable/refundable version.
I just checked and it costs €120 to change a €988 ticket with Lufthansa. If you want to cancel it, it costs €180. I dare say IEM can afford this.
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On October 08 2013 06:06 BaneRiders wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 05:52 Bigtony wrote:On October 08 2013 05:41 BaneRiders wrote:On October 08 2013 01:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On October 08 2013 01:31 HoboJoe20 wrote:From Nazroth on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1nwlvv/millforgg_will_not_be_attending_iem_new_york_he/ccmtf8dIn answer to the issues raised with replacing ForGG with Revival, we wanted to make sure everyone was clear on how this happened. Firstly, ForGG still has a flight, he chose not to take it, however it was booked for him and remains valid if he wanted to go.
Unfortunately, as the flight was already booked we cannot in the short space of time grant the paid slot to those players next in line (Nerchio and Grubby) thus have to look at those players who have requested un-paid slots if one comes up. Revival was on that list of players and agreed when approached to attend at very short notice. The price of doing so is not insignificant, so obviously not everyone could afford a last minute un-paid slot. Both Nerchio and Grubby were approached some time ago and asked if they wanted an un-paid slot if it came up and both declined.
We do however apologise that our rules on replacements aren’t clear enough and will make sure this is corrected. Apologies for the confusion. Now its even more fucked. Grubby: "I don't know about Nerchio but I was asked regarding an unpaid slot in the open bracket, not in the main tournament. There's an important difference. I do appreciate the quick answer and explanation. #visaissuesdosuck" Yeah, this certainly deserves an explanation. Revival pays his ticket and get straight into the main tournament?? EU loses a spot and Korea gets one. It would have made more sense giving a random guy in NY a chance if you need a last minute replacement. That at least wouldn't impact the qualification for the WCS Grand Finals. Also, why on earth do they not buy tickets that can be changed? The ticket price difference can't be that high and how many cases have we seen this year alone where players all of a sudden have a visa issue or something else that stops them from participating on short notice. All plane tickets are non-transferable and non-refundable. You can pay substantially more for a transferable/refundable version. I just checked and it costs €120 to change a €988 ticket with Lufthansa. If you want to cancel it, it costs €180. I dare say IEM can afford this.
I dare say that whoever wants to take ForGG's place can afford it.
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On October 08 2013 06:09 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 06:06 BaneRiders wrote:On October 08 2013 05:52 Bigtony wrote:On October 08 2013 05:41 BaneRiders wrote:On October 08 2013 01:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On October 08 2013 01:31 HoboJoe20 wrote:From Nazroth on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1nwlvv/millforgg_will_not_be_attending_iem_new_york_he/ccmtf8dIn answer to the issues raised with replacing ForGG with Revival, we wanted to make sure everyone was clear on how this happened. Firstly, ForGG still has a flight, he chose not to take it, however it was booked for him and remains valid if he wanted to go.
Unfortunately, as the flight was already booked we cannot in the short space of time grant the paid slot to those players next in line (Nerchio and Grubby) thus have to look at those players who have requested un-paid slots if one comes up. Revival was on that list of players and agreed when approached to attend at very short notice. The price of doing so is not insignificant, so obviously not everyone could afford a last minute un-paid slot. Both Nerchio and Grubby were approached some time ago and asked if they wanted an un-paid slot if it came up and both declined.
We do however apologise that our rules on replacements aren’t clear enough and will make sure this is corrected. Apologies for the confusion. Now its even more fucked. Grubby: "I don't know about Nerchio but I was asked regarding an unpaid slot in the open bracket, not in the main tournament. There's an important difference. I do appreciate the quick answer and explanation. #visaissuesdosuck" Yeah, this certainly deserves an explanation. Revival pays his ticket and get straight into the main tournament?? EU loses a spot and Korea gets one. It would have made more sense giving a random guy in NY a chance if you need a last minute replacement. That at least wouldn't impact the qualification for the WCS Grand Finals. Also, why on earth do they not buy tickets that can be changed? The ticket price difference can't be that high and how many cases have we seen this year alone where players all of a sudden have a visa issue or something else that stops them from participating on short notice. All plane tickets are non-transferable and non-refundable. You can pay substantially more for a transferable/refundable version. I just checked and it costs €120 to change a €988 ticket with Lufthansa. If you want to cancel it, it costs €180. I dare say IEM can afford this. I dare say that whoever wants to take ForGG's place can afford it.
nerchio nor grubby were never asked, pretty sure they'd take it otherwise
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Oh man, that's a shame. ForGG was my favorite player in that tournament and the EU representative. :/
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Bad news for Nani  Why didn't he just go to DH....
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At the risk of sounding pitch-forky, I'm disappointed by the lack of response from ESL. Hell, even just having only 2 seeded players for Group D would be better because this screams favoritism.
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just stupid... i gotta hand it to the american government to give out regular sports visas to traditional and esports athletes likewise- at least in lol...
i hope we will soon have that for all countries and (e)sports.
come on politics you're ruinin esports -.-
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On October 08 2013 06:14 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 06:09 JustPassingBy wrote:On October 08 2013 06:06 BaneRiders wrote:On October 08 2013 05:52 Bigtony wrote:On October 08 2013 05:41 BaneRiders wrote:On October 08 2013 01:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On October 08 2013 01:31 HoboJoe20 wrote:From Nazroth on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1nwlvv/millforgg_will_not_be_attending_iem_new_york_he/ccmtf8dIn answer to the issues raised with replacing ForGG with Revival, we wanted to make sure everyone was clear on how this happened. Firstly, ForGG still has a flight, he chose not to take it, however it was booked for him and remains valid if he wanted to go.
Unfortunately, as the flight was already booked we cannot in the short space of time grant the paid slot to those players next in line (Nerchio and Grubby) thus have to look at those players who have requested un-paid slots if one comes up. Revival was on that list of players and agreed when approached to attend at very short notice. The price of doing so is not insignificant, so obviously not everyone could afford a last minute un-paid slot. Both Nerchio and Grubby were approached some time ago and asked if they wanted an un-paid slot if it came up and both declined.
We do however apologise that our rules on replacements aren’t clear enough and will make sure this is corrected. Apologies for the confusion. Now its even more fucked. Grubby: "I don't know about Nerchio but I was asked regarding an unpaid slot in the open bracket, not in the main tournament. There's an important difference. I do appreciate the quick answer and explanation. #visaissuesdosuck" Yeah, this certainly deserves an explanation. Revival pays his ticket and get straight into the main tournament?? EU loses a spot and Korea gets one. It would have made more sense giving a random guy in NY a chance if you need a last minute replacement. That at least wouldn't impact the qualification for the WCS Grand Finals. Also, why on earth do they not buy tickets that can be changed? The ticket price difference can't be that high and how many cases have we seen this year alone where players all of a sudden have a visa issue or something else that stops them from participating on short notice. All plane tickets are non-transferable and non-refundable. You can pay substantially more for a transferable/refundable version. I just checked and it costs €120 to change a €988 ticket with Lufthansa. If you want to cancel it, it costs €180. I dare say IEM can afford this. I dare say that whoever wants to take ForGG's place can afford it. nerchio nor grubby were never asked, pretty sure they'd take it otherwise
IEM asked them, Grubby declined because they told him about a open bracket spot and Nerchio doesnt like to fly outside of EU. According to Grubbys post at reddit, it seems that grubby wants to come since it is about a spot at main tournament which revival takes.
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On October 08 2013 06:36 j1nzo wrote:
just stupid... i gotta hand it to the american government to give out regular sports visas to traditional and esports athletes likewise- at least in lol...
i hope we will soon have that for all countries and (e)sports.
come on politics you're ruinin esports -.-
You realize that ForGG is forfeiting the event to get a working permit in france, not because he couldn't get a visa for the u.s.?
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On October 08 2013 07:02 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 06:14 sharkie wrote:On October 08 2013 06:09 JustPassingBy wrote:On October 08 2013 06:06 BaneRiders wrote:On October 08 2013 05:52 Bigtony wrote:On October 08 2013 05:41 BaneRiders wrote:On October 08 2013 01:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On October 08 2013 01:31 HoboJoe20 wrote:From Nazroth on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1nwlvv/millforgg_will_not_be_attending_iem_new_york_he/ccmtf8dIn answer to the issues raised with replacing ForGG with Revival, we wanted to make sure everyone was clear on how this happened. Firstly, ForGG still has a flight, he chose not to take it, however it was booked for him and remains valid if he wanted to go.
Unfortunately, as the flight was already booked we cannot in the short space of time grant the paid slot to those players next in line (Nerchio and Grubby) thus have to look at those players who have requested un-paid slots if one comes up. Revival was on that list of players and agreed when approached to attend at very short notice. The price of doing so is not insignificant, so obviously not everyone could afford a last minute un-paid slot. Both Nerchio and Grubby were approached some time ago and asked if they wanted an un-paid slot if it came up and both declined.
We do however apologise that our rules on replacements aren’t clear enough and will make sure this is corrected. Apologies for the confusion. Now its even more fucked. Grubby: "I don't know about Nerchio but I was asked regarding an unpaid slot in the open bracket, not in the main tournament. There's an important difference. I do appreciate the quick answer and explanation. #visaissuesdosuck" Yeah, this certainly deserves an explanation. Revival pays his ticket and get straight into the main tournament?? EU loses a spot and Korea gets one. It would have made more sense giving a random guy in NY a chance if you need a last minute replacement. That at least wouldn't impact the qualification for the WCS Grand Finals. Also, why on earth do they not buy tickets that can be changed? The ticket price difference can't be that high and how many cases have we seen this year alone where players all of a sudden have a visa issue or something else that stops them from participating on short notice. All plane tickets are non-transferable and non-refundable. You can pay substantially more for a transferable/refundable version. I just checked and it costs €120 to change a €988 ticket with Lufthansa. If you want to cancel it, it costs €180. I dare say IEM can afford this. I dare say that whoever wants to take ForGG's place can afford it. nerchio nor grubby were never asked, pretty sure they'd take it otherwise IEM asked them, Grubby declined because they told him about a open bracket spot and Nerchio doesnt like to fly outside of EU. According to Grubbys post at reddit, it seems that grubby wants to come since it is about a spot at main tournament which revival takes.
They didn't. They asked Grubby BEFORE forGG forfeited for a spot in the open bracket. After forGG forfeited, they went straight to Revival. And where did Nerchio say he didn't take the spot (assuming he was asked) because he didn't like to fly out of EU?
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On October 08 2013 06:36 j1nzo wrote:
just stupid... i gotta hand it to the american government to give out regular sports visas to traditional and esports athletes likewise- at least in lol...
i hope we will soon have that for all countries and (e)sports.
come on politics you're ruinin esports -.-
While I fully admit that our government's visa policy is poor, it doent mean every f***ing travel issue is their fault.
ForGG is dealing with FRENCH immigration; not related to the US at all.
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