EPTForGG forfeits IEM New York, replaced by Revival - Page 3
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Abacus1
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Darkhorse
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lichter
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Abacus1
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JustPassingBy
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On October 08 2013 01:09 Abacus1 wrote: Revival won the previous IEM in Shanghai. I would assume this is why he has been given the final place. Makes sense. On October 08 2013 01:10 Darkhoarse wrote: Revival is the defending IEM champion which may have impacted his seed. On October 08 2013 01:11 lichter wrote: Defending champ makes some sense though I'm not entirely on board with it Doesn't make sense to me, imo. If defending champion were a factor, then they would've invited him right away, without the need of him participating in a qualifier. Also, this is not how IEM works. IEM hosts tournaments all around the globe where players can qualify for, and depending on the results of these tournaments, players will be invited to a global final. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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On October 08 2013 01:14 Abacus1 wrote: I respect Grubby a lot, but how do they choose between him and Nerchio in terms of asking to replace? Defending champion seems like a pretty standard thing considering how close we are to the event and the lateness at which Forgg couldn't attend. If it wasn't for the closeness of WCS points with Blizzcon right around the corner, I can't see anyone complaining about the defending champ getting the invite. GL Revival! The IEM qualifier was, at least in the later stages, a double elim bracket. That means Nerchio who placed #3 there should be asked first. In fact, he beat Grubby in a bo3 to place #3. source: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VIII_-_New_York/European_Qualifier | ||
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Abacus1
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Doesn't make sense to me, imo. If defending champion were a factor, then they would've invited him right away, without the need of him participating in a qualifier. Also, this is not how IEM works. IEM hosts tournaments all around the globe where players can qualify for, and depending on the results of these tournaments, players will be invited to a global final. I understand what you're saying, but we're not really keyed into how recent they found out Forgg was unable to attend. Alternatively they could've possibly held a decider match between Nerchio and Grubby online. Either way, makes WCS points very interesting coming up to the end of the season 3 finals. | ||
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lichter
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On October 08 2013 01:15 JustPassingBy wrote: Doesn't make sense to me, imo. If defending champion were a factor, then they would've invited him right away, without the need of him participating in a qualifier. Also, this is not how IEM works. IEM hosts tournaments all around the globe where players can qualify for, and depending on the results of these tournaments, players will be invited to a global final. It makes sense because you'd like to have the reigning champ return to defend his title. It gives tournaments continuity. But as I said I'm not entirely on board with it since it doesn't follow any precedent in IEM, who have never given direct seeds to former champions afaik. Defending champs being invited makes sense, but in this case there were other options that should have received priority. | ||
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haffy
United Kingdom430 Posts
On October 08 2013 01:20 lichter wrote: It makes sense because you'd like to have the reigning champ return to defend his title. It gives tournaments continuity. But as I said I'm not entirely on board with it since it doesn't follow any precedent in IEM, who have never given direct seeds to former champions afaik. Defending champs being invited makes sense, but in this case there were other options that should have received priority. Makes sense in terms of marketing. Not fairness to players. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On October 08 2013 01:20 lichter wrote: It makes sense because you'd like to have the reigning champ return to defend his title. It gives tournaments continuity. But as I said I'm not entirely on board with it since it doesn't follow any precedent in IEM, who have never given direct seeds to former champions afaik. Defending champs being invited makes sense, but in this case there were other options that should have received priority. Yeah agree with you even tho it don't help anything  | ||
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HoboJoe20
Canada63 Posts
In answer to the issues raised with replacing ForGG with Revival, we wanted to make sure everyone was clear on how this happened. Firstly, ForGG still has a flight, he chose not to take it, however it was booked for him and remains valid if he wanted to go. Unfortunately, as the flight was already booked we cannot in the short space of time grant the paid slot to those players next in line (Nerchio and Grubby) thus have to look at those players who have requested un-paid slots if one comes up. Revival was on that list of players and agreed when approached to attend at very short notice. The price of doing so is not insignificant, so obviously not everyone could afford a last minute un-paid slot. Both Nerchio and Grubby were approached some time ago and asked if they wanted an un-paid slot if it came up and both declined. We do however apologise that our rules on replacements aren’t clear enough and will make sure this is corrected. Apologies for the confusion. [edit:formatting] | ||
Shellshock
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lichter
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That should be edited into the OP to avoid more discussion about fairness. | ||
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HereBeDragons
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Depending on which city he lives in, each appointment with the immigration services can be 1hour or sometimes 6hours!  This is a good thing, getting a residence card solidifies your legal status of living in France, so we'll be sure that ForGG won't be countering weird "Oh-shit-my-visa-expired" scenarios if the team management stays on top of the papers for renewing each year. | ||
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partouf
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+ Show Spoiler + The defending/previous champion thing cannot possibly be the reason why, it has no value in the qualification process. The qualification setup can be read here There's basically only 2 ways to get qualified; - National qualifier (NY: "four slots will go to The Americas, two to Europe and two to Asia") - WCS point based apply/invitation (officially 4 players) I personally think the whole WCS point thing was a mistake from the beginning. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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Otolia
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On October 08 2013 01:34 HereBeDragons wrote: I've been through the French immigration system before. I obviously don't have the details, but I'm guessing that he is transitioning from a "Long/Short-stay Visa" to a "Residence Card." If this is the case then this magic card would be equivalent to a schengen visa, except it's 1 year long. (Multiple years are harder to apply for). The rules changes every year (figuratively speaking), but generally renewing your residence card is less of a hassle than asking for a new visa. Depending on which city he lives in, each appointment with the immigration services can be 1hour or sometimes 6hours! This guy is right. ForGG will become (to my knowledge) the only Korean Starcraft 2 player with legitimate working contract and permit. He sacrificed much of his season to get to that point so let's hope 2014 will be kinder on him. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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On October 08 2013 01:41 Otolia wrote: This guy is right. ForGG will become (to my knowledge) the only Korean Starcraft 2 player with legitimate working contract and permit. He sacrificed much of his season to get to that point so let's hope 2014 will be kinder on him. So how secure are the sources of your knowledge, might be interesting to edit this piece of information to the op. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On October 08 2013 01:31 HoboJoe20 wrote: From Nazroth on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1nwlvv/millforgg_will_not_be_attending_iem_new_york_he/ccmtf8d Now its even more fucked. Grubby: "I don't know about Nerchio but I was asked regarding an unpaid slot in the open bracket, not in the main tournament. There's an important difference. I do appreciate the quick answer and explanation. #visaissuesdosuck" | ||
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lichter
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