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ForGG forfeits IEM New York, replaced by Revival - Page 4

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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-07 16:52:20
October 07 2013 16:50 GMT
#61
This is pretty embarrassing.

I can't help but point out how this can be seen as a "fuck you" to Naniwa, who has spent a lot of time trash-talking IEM. It's hard to feel sorry for him, but it also seem obvious that using revival as the replacement is down to relationships, not tournament logic or a comprehensive survey of availability of possible replacements.
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
October 07 2013 16:52 GMT
#62
Noo~~~~No ForGG to support

Is Flash going New York?
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Uyo
Profile Joined July 2012
35 Posts
October 07 2013 16:52 GMT
#63
The climb Scarlett has to make during WCS NA depends on how well Revival does.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
October 07 2013 16:54 GMT
#64
On October 08 2013 01:50 m0ck wrote:
This is pretty embarrassing.

I can't help but point out how this can be seen as a "fuck you" to Naniwa, who has spent a lot of time trash-talking IEM. It's hard to feel sorry for him, but it also seem obvious that using revival as the replacement is down to relationships, not tournament logic or a comprehensive survey of availability of possible replacements.


Why is this a "fuck you" to Naniwa? He is still playing and his group did not change at all. :o
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-07 17:03:20
October 07 2013 16:58 GMT
#65
On October 08 2013 01:54 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 01:50 m0ck wrote:
This is pretty embarrassing.

I can't help but point out how this can be seen as a "fuck you" to Naniwa, who has spent a lot of time trash-talking IEM. It's hard to feel sorry for him, but it also seem obvious that using revival as the replacement is down to relationships, not tournament logic or a comprehensive survey of availability of possible replacements.


Why is this a "fuck you" to Naniwa? He is still playing and his group did not change at all. :o

They are both in the run in for the last spots for the world finals
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
October 07 2013 16:58 GMT
#66
On October 08 2013 01:54 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 01:50 m0ck wrote:
This is pretty embarrassing.

I can't help but point out how this can be seen as a "fuck you" to Naniwa, who has spent a lot of time trash-talking IEM. It's hard to feel sorry for him, but it also seem obvious that using revival as the replacement is down to relationships, not tournament logic or a comprehensive survey of availability of possible replacements.


Why is this a "fuck you" to Naniwa? He is still playing and his group did not change at all. :o



Because Revival is in the tournament and he could gain some WCS points.
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TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
October 07 2013 16:59 GMT
#67
Absolutely lame that there is conflicting information regarding open bracket vs main tournament slots. It makes the tournament look bad for a short period and everyone will forget about it once IEM starts and finishes.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
October 07 2013 17:00 GMT
#68
Ughhh, it'll be sad to not see him there, but him having a working visa in France is more important than a tournament.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
October 07 2013 17:00 GMT
#69
On October 08 2013 01:58 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 01:54 JustPassingBy wrote:
On October 08 2013 01:50 m0ck wrote:
This is pretty embarrassing.

I can't help but point out how this can be seen as a "fuck you" to Naniwa, who has spent a lot of time trash-talking IEM. It's hard to feel sorry for him, but it also seem obvious that using revival as the replacement is down to relationships, not tournament logic or a comprehensive survey of availability of possible replacements.


Why is this a "fuck you" to Naniwa? He is still playing and his group did not change at all. :o

They are both in the run for last spots for the world finals


I totally picture naniwa hanging on a cliff and refusing to get help because he doesn't want to shake hands.
Terran & Potato Salad.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
October 07 2013 17:06 GMT
#70
On October 08 2013 02:00 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 01:58 m0ck wrote:
On October 08 2013 01:54 JustPassingBy wrote:
On October 08 2013 01:50 m0ck wrote:
This is pretty embarrassing.

I can't help but point out how this can be seen as a "fuck you" to Naniwa, who has spent a lot of time trash-talking IEM. It's hard to feel sorry for him, but it also seem obvious that using revival as the replacement is down to relationships, not tournament logic or a comprehensive survey of availability of possible replacements.


Why is this a "fuck you" to Naniwa? He is still playing and his group did not change at all. :o

They are both in the run for last spots for the world finals


I totally picture naniwa hanging on a cliff and refusing to get help because he doesn't want to shake hands.

"I'll give you my handshake when you pry it from my cold, dead hands."
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
October 07 2013 17:11 GMT
#71
On October 08 2013 01:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
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On October 08 2013 01:31 HoboJoe20 wrote:
From Nazroth on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1nwlvv/millforgg_will_not_be_attending_iem_new_york_he/ccmtf8d

In answer to the issues raised with replacing ForGG with Revival, we wanted to make sure everyone was clear on how this happened. Firstly, ForGG still has a flight, he chose not to take it, however it was booked for him and remains valid if he wanted to go.
Unfortunately, as the flight was already booked we cannot in the short space of time grant the paid slot to those players next in line (Nerchio and Grubby) thus have to look at those players who have requested un-paid slots if one comes up. Revival was on that list of players and agreed when approached to attend at very short notice. The price of doing so is not insignificant, so obviously not everyone could afford a last minute un-paid slot. Both Nerchio and Grubby were approached some time ago and asked if they wanted an un-paid slot if it came up and both declined.
We do however apologise that our rules on replacements aren’t clear enough and will make sure this is corrected. Apologies for the confusion.


Now its even more fucked.

Grubby:
"I don't know about Nerchio but I was asked regarding an unpaid slot in the open bracket, not in the main tournament. There's an important difference. I do appreciate the quick answer and explanation. #visaissuesdosuck"


IEM better have a good answer to grubby's statement or else there are going to be people with pitchforks.
Don't mind me
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
October 07 2013 17:23 GMT
#72
Pretty lucky for Revival as it keeps his Blizzcon hopes alive.

5 Terrans so maybe only 2 in the top 4?
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
October 07 2013 17:26 GMT
#73
On October 08 2013 01:58 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 01:54 JustPassingBy wrote:
On October 08 2013 01:50 m0ck wrote:
This is pretty embarrassing.

I can't help but point out how this can be seen as a "fuck you" to Naniwa, who has spent a lot of time trash-talking IEM. It's hard to feel sorry for him, but it also seem obvious that using revival as the replacement is down to relationships, not tournament logic or a comprehensive survey of availability of possible replacements.


Why is this a "fuck you" to Naniwa? He is still playing and his group did not change at all. :o



Because Revival is in the tournament and he could gain some WCS points.


Ah well, that certainly sucks for Naniwa. However since I didn't see WCS points as a reason to include Revival, I also don't see them as a reason to exclude him.
Mangooze
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands301 Posts
October 07 2013 17:28 GMT
#74
Gonna laugh my ass off if Revival ends up going to Blizzcon instead of Naniwa.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
October 07 2013 17:33 GMT
#75
Some ppl working really hard to qualify and get a shot at the points and others are just invited. The whole system is silly to say the least.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
October 07 2013 18:02 GMT
#76
On October 08 2013 01:43 JustPassingBy wrote:
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On October 08 2013 01:41 Otolia wrote:
On October 08 2013 01:34 HereBeDragons wrote:
I've been through the French immigration system before. I obviously don't have the details, but I'm guessing that he is transitioning from a "Long/Short-stay Visa" to a "Residence Card." If this is the case then this magic card would be equivalent to a schengen visa, except it's 1 year long. (Multiple years are harder to apply for). The rules changes every year (figuratively speaking), but generally renewing your residence card is less of a hassle than asking for a new visa.

Depending on which city he lives in, each appointment with the immigration services can be 1hour or sometimes 6hours!

This guy is right. ForGG will become (to my knowledge) the only Korean Starcraft 2 player with legitimate working contract and permit. He sacrificed much of his season to get to that point so let's hope 2014 will be kinder on him.


So how secure are the sources of your knowledge, might be interesting to edit this piece of information to the op.

Highly secure. All the Millenium fans have been following the process like a Game of Thrones season.

Otherwise, I think VERY unfair the fact that Revival gets an invite rather than Nerchio or Grubby. There are already 4 invites based on WCS points and I think it's already a shame. But this is a really bad decision.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
October 07 2013 18:15 GMT
#77
Pretty clever by koreans. Now revival has change to get to blizzcon.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
VanSCPurge
Profile Joined November 2012
United States169 Posts
October 07 2013 18:32 GMT
#78
To be clear, no one should be ripping on Revival for this. IEM offered him the spot, and he made the choice that was best for him and his career. You can't blame him for that.

That said, I agree it's pretty shady by IEM, but as a fan of Revival it's difficult for me to care that much.
"Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -S. Holmes
Bjarne
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany192 Posts
October 07 2013 18:50 GMT
#79
Im not a fan of revival, but screwing him up cause he took the spot is dumb. He just takes an oppurtunity for himself.

IEM should consider to let revival play without the chance of earning WCS points. Then revival has his chance to shine in the tournament and the WCS system is not affected.

And...ooooooohmmm, maybe Naniwa deserves it..... a little bit.....im gone.....
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painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
October 07 2013 18:56 GMT
#80
On October 08 2013 03:50 Bjarne wrote:
Im not a fan of revival, but screwing him up cause he took the spot is dumb. He just takes an oppurtunity for himself.

IEM should consider to let revival play without the chance of earning WCS points. Then revival has his chance to shine in the tournament and the WCS system is not affected.

And...ooooooohmmm, maybe Naniwa deserves it..... a little bit.....im gone.....


He has to pay for the the ticket. If he could not earn WCS points, he might as well forfeit.
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