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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:20 a176 wrote: what does this even mean how are you supposed to micro against AA that has over twice the range of pulsar beam Go around it, since it only covers part of the mineral line. Make them build more turrets/spores in each mineral line. Snipe small groups of light units. Be a boss? | ||
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ElhayM
Canada134 Posts
Increasing the speed / acceleration for the Oracle still promotes early game all ins, but the revelation range is awesome. | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:15 SoFrOsTy wrote: Your dream is unrealistic. Completely removing that tech path need is like saying I wish I could deal with templars efficiently as terran without every having to make a ghost academy. I know, I know...but Robo play is so boring! Though, really, if Oracles can be good enough at spotting/tagging armies and be easier to keep alive for detection, it's a real possibility. Stargate + storm, no Colossus needed...it could happen!!!! On September 26 2013 04:19 awesomoecalypse wrote: My favorite suggestion on the DT change was to tie it to researching charge. That is, charge not only improves base Zealot speed, but also buffs base DT speed. That way they're slightly better in the lategame, without being any stronger early on. oooo I like this! On September 26 2013 04:23 ElhayM wrote: Much more reasonable. Increasing the speed / acceleration for the Oracle still promotes early game all ins, but the revelation range is awesome. Yeah, but not nearly as much as making them cost 50 less gas. Plus, these changes make them more viable overall, for more reasons than just being cheaper. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:23 ElhayM wrote: Much more reasonable. Increasing the speed / acceleration for the Oracle still promotes early game all ins, but the revelation range is awesome. Is there anything they can do for that unit that wouldn't promote some form of all in? I mean, if they buff the banshee, its promotes all ins. If they buff the zealot, also promotes all in. Marines too. | ||
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Nerevar
547 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:23 KrazyTrumpet wrote: I know, I know...but Robo play is so boring! Though, really, if Oracles can be good enough at spotting/tagging armies and be easier to keep alive for detection, it's a real possibility. Stargate + storm, no Colossus needed...it could happen!!!! oooo I like this! I'd think that Observers and Warp Prisms are way too useful to completely neglect Robo tech, even if other units are able to replace the role of the boring old Colossus. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:22 Plansix wrote: Go around it, since it only covers part of the mineral line. Make them build more turrets/spores in each mineral line. Snipe small groups of light units. Be a boss? Exactly right. Completely covering every mineral line in defense is a significant investment, and there's no rule saying you can only attack directly into a mineral line. If your Oracle forces a lot of static defense, and then you pick off small numbers of light units around the map throughout the game, and finally in the lategame use it for Revelations to help with positioning, then the unit is still a worthwhile investment, even if it didn't outright end the game by wiping out a whole mineral line early on. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Mines to 1.50 radius and it'll be perfect. Ps : I don't see why blizzard takes forever to release test maps. I already made my own (following their change )in like 10 seconds using the editor. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
It's a really bad unit spectator wise, from Widow Mines you at least get a explosion from a Oracle you simply get death. The DT change could have been better used imo. Edit: Still wondering how the Terran mid/late game will fair with these changes. (TvP) | ||
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:26 Plansix wrote: Is there anything they can do for that unit that wouldn't promote some form of all in? I mean, if they buff the banshee, its promotes all ins. If they buff the zealot, also promotes all in. Marines too. Adjust BT at the same time. | ||
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Nerevar
547 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:26 Plansix wrote: Is there anything they can do for that unit that wouldn't promote some form of all in? I mean, if they buff the banshee, its promotes all ins. If they buff the zealot, also promotes all in. Marines too. I'd like to see what all-ins could materialize from a Carrier buff  | ||
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Kommatiazo
United States579 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:29 Nerevar wrote: I'd like to see what all-ins could materialize from a Carrier buff ya, lets give Carriers 4 move speed and Phoenix acceleration. | ||
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ElhayM
Canada134 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:26 Plansix wrote: Is there anything they can do for that unit that wouldn't promote some form of all in? I mean, if they buff the banshee, its promotes all ins. If they buff the zealot, also promotes all in. Marines too. Well I'd suggest keeping the current speed and increasing revelation range by 2/3 but my opinion is far from relevant. Otherwise, whatever goes, goes. Just need to adjust to it accordingly and accept change. | ||
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Nerevar
547 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:32 Kommatiazo wrote: ya, lets give Carriers 4 move speed and Phoenix acceleration. Stork becomes a bonjwa! | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
And all you trolls can sit here and say stop crying, ur a noob, etc... but we all know its true. I was hoping to read some good news that blizzard finally realizes how OP terran is with mules, medivacs, mines, SCANS, and just making marine mauarder and owning everything and everyone. It's ridiculous and boring. P.S. I just had to copy this from Bnet forums, I find it hilarious :D | ||
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
I just hope the change to the widow mine does not completely remove it from the game, like what happened to the Hellbat. Other changes should be good. | ||
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fried_rice
198 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:37 Everlong wrote: These changes do absolutely nothing to resolve the IMBA in T v P matchup. The 10 minute push is devastating to P, NOTHING u can do vs MMMM. Mass Marauder and Stim own P everytime. PERIOD. P either needs a unit to help this, or terran needs BUFFED ALA REDUCE DAMAGE VS ARMORED UNITS. Colossus does nothing, medivacs heal everything, u need at least 4-5 colossus to be effective and its impossible to get that many collasuss considering there cost. How everyone doesn't see this is beyond belief.. everyone knows terran is OP... especially vs P And all you trolls can sit here and say stop crying, ur a noob, etc... but we all know its true. I was hoping to read some good news that blizzard finally realizes how OP terran is with mules, medivacs, mines, SCANS, and just making marine mauarder and owning everything and everyone. It's ridiculous and boring. P.S. I just had to copy this from Bnet forums, I find it hilarious :D ROFL! Hilarious indeed. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:37 Everlong wrote: From B.net: "These changes do absolutely nothing to resolve the IMBA in T v P matchup. The 10 minute push is devastating to P, NOTHING u can do vs MMMM. Mass Marauder and Stim own P everytime. PERIOD. P either needs a unit to help this, or terran needs BUFFED ALA REDUCE DAMAGE VS ARMORED UNITS. Colossus does nothing, medivacs heal everything, u need at least 4-5 colossus to be effective and its impossible to get that many collasuss considering there cost. How everyone doesn't see this is beyond belief.. everyone knows terran is OP... especially vs P And all you trolls can sit here and say stop crying, ur a noob, etc... but we all know its true. I was hoping to read some good news that blizzard finally realizes how OP terran is with mules, medivacs, mines, SCANS, and just making marine mauarder and owning everything and everyone. It's ridiculous and boring." P.S. I just had to copy this from Bnet forums, I find it hilarious :D You should quote that thing like I did above, to make sure people know what it is. It kinda looks like you wrote it till the end. | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:52 Plansix wrote: You should quote that thing like I did above, to make sure people know what it is. It kinda looks like you wrote it till the end. I wanted to see how many people are able to read such bullshit till the end before they start to flame. :-) | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On September 26 2013 04:26 Plansix wrote: Is there anything they can do for that unit that wouldn't promote some form of all in? I mean, if they buff the banshee, its promotes all ins. If they buff the zealot, also promotes all in. Marines too. They need to stop designing units (oracles, banshees, hellions) that are too fragile for even small scale encounters but have insane dps against workers. They could try an hp boost combined with a dps nerf. | ||
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