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Flash's Interview about SC2's current predicament - Page 6

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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 22 2013 14:46 GMT
#101
On September 22 2013 23:44 Foxxan wrote:
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On September 22 2013 22:55 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 22 2013 22:44 Foxxan wrote:
On September 22 2013 22:26 FeyFey wrote:
Oh the difficult discussion coming up alot lately. Sc2 is faster then BW in order to make up for the easier mechanical demand. Difficult shifted not changed. Imo Sc2 is harder, because it is rather easy to learn those tedious acts in BW, compared to getting faster in your decisions as you need in Sc2. But that is only my personal experience and partly analysis of professional gaming and what makes the players special that are usually on top.

But a really nice interview by flash, a bit sad he will concentrate on foreign tournaments.


The gamespeed is faster in broodwar

The actual gameplay speed in SC2 is much faster though.


What do u mean?

Compare amount of time you spend in BW battle and SC2 battle.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 15:00:45
September 22 2013 15:00 GMT
#102
SC2 very ez game.
T P Z sagi
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 22 2013 15:06 GMT
#103
On September 23 2013 00:00 purakushi wrote:
SC2 very ez game.

YUNOGMYET
Either way, SC2 has it's own difficulties. Micro during battle is one. Good luck doing it
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Gendo
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom216 Posts
September 22 2013 15:10 GMT
#104
With SC2 being easier i wonder what makes it hard for most of exBW players to dominate?

Can't be lack of experience or practice at this point, is there some intricacy about the game that they're missing?
or is it that in this new game there's just better players than they are?
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 22 2013 15:14 GMT
#105
On September 23 2013 00:10 Gendo wrote:
With SC2 being easier i wonder what makes it hard for most of exBW players to dominate?

Can't be lack of experience or practice at this point, is there some intricacy about the game that they're missing?
or is it that in this new game there's just better players than they are?

SC2 being easier in Flash' words means easier to get good enough mechanics. BW and SC2 honestly require slightly different skill sets.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 22 2013 15:15 GMT
#106
^How about motivation and passion?

Flash basically just plays the game for the fans and not for himself.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 15:31:20
September 22 2013 15:27 GMT
#107
On September 22 2013 16:19 Cheren wrote:
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Flash: This game is very easy. Comparing to SC1, multitasking is easier and hotkeys are easier. So utilizing this part, everyone can play well.


If it's so easy, why isn't he winning anything? I agree that SC2 is easier than BW but Taeja and Bomber are clearly playing better SC2 than Flash is.


In context to the question I think he was simply trying to sound encouraging to newer players. I think everyone is reading too much into that answer.

On September 22 2013 16:20 lolfail9001 wrote:
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Players are the ones who know the scene most, right? When people around you are talking about the negativity all the time, players will feel ashamed. Who doesn’t know that SC2 is facing difficulties? But even so, telling negativity to the hardworking players will only increase their hardship. There are no players who don’t know about the deteriorating situation, but keeping listening to these will certainly make players exhausted and powerless.

It's me or is he meaning that all this doom and gloom is indeed self-fullfilling prophecy?


It may not be 100% that but it certainly makes it worse.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
September 22 2013 15:27 GMT
#108
On September 23 2013 00:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 00:10 Gendo wrote:
With SC2 being easier i wonder what makes it hard for most of exBW players to dominate?

Can't be lack of experience or practice at this point, is there some intricacy about the game that they're missing?
or is it that in this new game there's just better players than they are?

SC2 being easier in Flash' words means easier to get good enough mechanics. BW and SC2 honestly require slightly different skill sets.

exactly. the fact that its "easy" in the terms they say means mechanics has less impact on the output of the game where as in bw mechanics was the biggest factor. so easier in that regard makes them more equal to everyone else which gives them a worse chance of winning constantly
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
September 22 2013 15:30 GMT
#109
I wish there was more questions. Need to get in the mind of god.
Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
lamiller
Profile Joined September 2011
United States92 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 15:45:52
September 22 2013 15:43 GMT
#110
want to include Terran diversity... make tech switching possible and bring back the medic...

and also reduce caster potential, and nerf the immortals shield to make a mech slightly more possible in TvP... or make ultras more viable in ZvP because the only Ultra transition works is when the Toss doesn't scout it.
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
September 22 2013 15:49 GMT
#111
On September 23 2013 00:27 MorroW wrote:
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On September 23 2013 00:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 23 2013 00:10 Gendo wrote:
With SC2 being easier i wonder what makes it hard for most of exBW players to dominate?

Can't be lack of experience or practice at this point, is there some intricacy about the game that they're missing?
or is it that in this new game there's just better players than they are?

SC2 being easier in Flash' words means easier to get good enough mechanics. BW and SC2 honestly require slightly different skill sets.

exactly. the fact that its "easy" in the terms they say means mechanics has less impact on the output of the game where as in bw mechanics was the biggest factor. so easier in that regard makes them more equal to everyone else which gives them a worse chance of winning constantly

While it was a huge factor I don't think it was the main one. Towards the end of the BW OSL's you could see that the best mechanical players were not the ones consistently winning.

This can be seen in the past as well, outliers like Savior for example who had decent macro/micro but were not the main reasons they won. On the other hand iloveoov had better macro than anyone else in his lifetime but even his wins did not only come from his insane macro skill.

I don't really remember correctly, but iirc Hiya was super fast but wasn't "that" good.
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Gben592
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom281 Posts
September 22 2013 15:53 GMT
#112
He's a hero. He just gets on with stuff, and I love that (and I agree, he could be successful in whatever he does)
"The more skilled player is the one who wins, and I don't think there's better balance than what we have now." INnoVation
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
September 22 2013 16:11 GMT
#113
On September 22 2013 19:02 one-one-one wrote:
Some (cherry picked, perhaps) quotes from Flash.

" Terran is a race with limited diversity, and my strategic diversity is even more limited"

"Who doesn’t know that SC2 is facing difficulties? "

This is the Elephant in the room. The problems with SC2 have been well studied and described for a long time now.
The limited diversity of terran is only one of them. Instead, large parts of the community have a very negative attitude towards even discussing this. Let alone to do something about it.

Make yourselves heard. Stop being so damn politically correct. It is dumb.


You are one of the few here who are not discussing "sc2 is easier". I never thought that becomes the main point of discussion. I thought people will discuss the retirement wave and sc2's decline. . .
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
September 22 2013 16:15 GMT
#114
On September 23 2013 00:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 00:10 Gendo wrote:
With SC2 being easier i wonder what makes it hard for most of exBW players to dominate?

Can't be lack of experience or practice at this point, is there some intricacy about the game that they're missing?
or is it that in this new game there's just better players than they are?

SC2 being easier in Flash' words means easier to get good enough mechanics. BW and SC2 honestly require slightly different skill sets.

BW requires all of the skill sets that has SC2 does, and a lot more. It's the simple truth.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
September 22 2013 16:22 GMT
#115
Basically, he just means that the skillcap is lower. By saying the game is easier, he is not implying that he should dominate. Since it is so easy, there are less things a player can do to differentiate themselves from the rest.
T P Z sagi
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 16:25:31
September 22 2013 16:23 GMT
#116
On September 23 2013 01:15 DemigodcelpH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 00:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 23 2013 00:10 Gendo wrote:
With SC2 being easier i wonder what makes it hard for most of exBW players to dominate?

Can't be lack of experience or practice at this point, is there some intricacy about the game that they're missing?
or is it that in this new game there's just better players than they are?

SC2 being easier in Flash' words means easier to get good enough mechanics. BW and SC2 honestly require slightly different skill sets.

BW requires all of the skill sets that has SC2 does, and a lot more. It's the simple truth.


This is incorrect. SC2 and BW are hard in different aspects - don't for a second believe that BW is harder in all of them.

On September 23 2013 01:22 purakushi wrote:
Basically, he just means that the skillcap is lower. By saying the game is easier, he is not implying that he should dominate. Since it is so easy, there are less things a player can do to differentiate themselves from the rest.


The skillcap talk is meaningless - there is no "cap" that a human being can reach as it would require you to do everything perfectly. It's just not possible and never will be. Besides, I think what he's saying is that it's easier to reach a decent level mechanically speaking, not easier to play at the top level.
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nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
September 22 2013 16:27 GMT
#117
On September 22 2013 16:19 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
Flash: This game is very easy. Comparing to SC1, multitasking is easier and hotkeys are easier. So utilizing this part, everyone can play well.


If it's so easy, why isn't he winning anything? I agree that SC2 is easier than BW but Taeja and Bomber are clearly playing better SC2 than Flash is.


The interface of the game itself is easy, that doesn't change the level of skill of the opponent.
architecture
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States643 Posts
September 22 2013 16:29 GMT
#118
Checkers is easy, but you are still playing it against an opponent.
tpfkan
spalding
Profile Joined August 2010
95 Posts
September 22 2013 16:33 GMT
#119
people who misuse "skill ceiling" are so tilting. noone is going to come close to the skill ceiling in either game so stop saying the skill ceiling in sc2 is too low, it makes you look really stupid.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
September 22 2013 16:33 GMT
#120
Oh geesh the comments here want to make me laugh

Sc2 is by far easier game than bw and that is why its difficult for top players to even remain for long time. The game simply has no other skills like macroing( i mean going back to your base to spam z z z z z into your gateways while you fight and rally your workers), or 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a ing micro constantly, or having to multitAsk while doing all that. Bw simply was much harder. The lack of those skills and possibly more don't allow sc2 players to be really distinguished from each other. There's a reason why bw legends were able toget 4+ awards constantly and dominating even b/a level players who are also really good.
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