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Flash's Interview about SC2's current predicament - Page 6
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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purakushi
United States3308 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2013 00:00 purakushi wrote: SC2 very ez game. YUNOGMYET Either way, SC2 has it's own difficulties. Micro during battle is one. Good luck doing it  | ||
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Gendo
United Kingdom216 Posts
Can't be lack of experience or practice at this point, is there some intricacy about the game that they're missing? or is it that in this new game there's just better players than they are? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 23 2013 00:10 Gendo wrote: With SC2 being easier i wonder what makes it hard for most of exBW players to dominate? Can't be lack of experience or practice at this point, is there some intricacy about the game that they're missing? or is it that in this new game there's just better players than they are? SC2 being easier in Flash' words means easier to get good enough mechanics. BW and SC2 honestly require slightly different skill sets. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
Flash basically just plays the game for the fans and not for himself. | ||
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:19 Cheren wrote: If it's so easy, why isn't he winning anything? I agree that SC2 is easier than BW but Taeja and Bomber are clearly playing better SC2 than Flash is. In context to the question I think he was simply trying to sound encouraging to newer players. I think everyone is reading too much into that answer. On September 22 2013 16:20 lolfail9001 wrote: It's me or is he meaning that all this doom and gloom is indeed self-fullfilling prophecy? It may not be 100% that but it certainly makes it worse. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On September 23 2013 00:14 lolfail9001 wrote: SC2 being easier in Flash' words means easier to get good enough mechanics. BW and SC2 honestly require slightly different skill sets. exactly. the fact that its "easy" in the terms they say means mechanics has less impact on the output of the game where as in bw mechanics was the biggest factor. so easier in that regard makes them more equal to everyone else which gives them a worse chance of winning constantly | ||
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Spec
Taiwan931 Posts
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lamiller
United States92 Posts
and also reduce caster potential, and nerf the immortals shield to make a mech slightly more possible in TvP... or make ultras more viable in ZvP because the only Ultra transition works is when the Toss doesn't scout it. | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
On September 23 2013 00:27 MorroW wrote: exactly. the fact that its "easy" in the terms they say means mechanics has less impact on the output of the game where as in bw mechanics was the biggest factor. so easier in that regard makes them more equal to everyone else which gives them a worse chance of winning constantly While it was a huge factor I don't think it was the main one. Towards the end of the BW OSL's you could see that the best mechanical players were not the ones consistently winning. This can be seen in the past as well, outliers like Savior for example who had decent macro/micro but were not the main reasons they won. On the other hand iloveoov had better macro than anyone else in his lifetime but even his wins did not only come from his insane macro skill. I don't really remember correctly, but iirc Hiya was super fast but wasn't "that" good. | ||
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Gben592
United Kingdom281 Posts
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larse
1611 Posts
On September 22 2013 19:02 one-one-one wrote: Some (cherry picked, perhaps) quotes from Flash. " Terran is a race with limited diversity, and my strategic diversity is even more limited" "Who doesn’t know that SC2 is facing difficulties? " This is the Elephant in the room. The problems with SC2 have been well studied and described for a long time now. The limited diversity of terran is only one of them. Instead, large parts of the community have a very negative attitude towards even discussing this. Let alone to do something about it. Make yourselves heard. Stop being so damn politically correct. It is dumb. You are one of the few here who are not discussing "sc2 is easier". I never thought that becomes the main point of discussion. I thought people will discuss the retirement wave and sc2's decline. . . | ||
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DemigodcelpH
1138 Posts
On September 23 2013 00:14 lolfail9001 wrote: SC2 being easier in Flash' words means easier to get good enough mechanics. BW and SC2 honestly require slightly different skill sets. BW requires all of the skill sets that has SC2 does, and a lot more. It's the simple truth. | ||
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purakushi
United States3308 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 23 2013 01:15 DemigodcelpH wrote: BW requires all of the skill sets that has SC2 does, and a lot more. It's the simple truth. This is incorrect. SC2 and BW are hard in different aspects - don't for a second believe that BW is harder in all of them. On September 23 2013 01:22 purakushi wrote: Basically, he just means that the skillcap is lower. By saying the game is easier, he is not implying that he should dominate. Since it is so easy, there are less things a player can do to differentiate themselves from the rest. The skillcap talk is meaningless - there is no "cap" that a human being can reach as it would require you to do everything perfectly. It's just not possible and never will be. Besides, I think what he's saying is that it's easier to reach a decent level mechanically speaking, not easier to play at the top level. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:19 Cheren wrote: If it's so easy, why isn't he winning anything? I agree that SC2 is easier than BW but Taeja and Bomber are clearly playing better SC2 than Flash is. The interface of the game itself is easy, that doesn't change the level of skill of the opponent. | ||
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architecture
United States643 Posts
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spalding
95 Posts
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Shinokuki
United States928 Posts
Sc2 is by far easier game than bw and that is why its difficult for top players to even remain for long time. The game simply has no other skills like macroing( i mean going back to your base to spam z z z z z into your gateways while you fight and rally your workers), or 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a ing micro constantly, or having to multitAsk while doing all that. Bw simply was much harder. The lack of those skills and possibly more don't allow sc2 players to be really distinguished from each other. There's a reason why bw legends were able toget 4+ awards constantly and dominating even b/a level players who are also really good. | ||
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