SK MC's thoughts on the current state of SC2 - Page 13

On September 02 2013 16:50 Talin wrote:
Interesting to hear from him, but it really isn't anything we can't read on everyday basis.

I still don't think Starcraft 2's problems have much to do with strategy at all. Especially not lack in variety. Brood War strategies - especially when it comes to opening builds and early mid game - were pretty stagnant at times.

The problem with the game is the inability to express and display mechanical skill. I've watched WCS finals - the entirety of WCS finals - and there were 3 moments where I was impressed with a player - some cute moves by Taeja vs Rain, and the last was Scarlett's Drone control vs Reapers. That's it. A couple impressive moments in a whole tournament. Might have missed some because god knows they don't last very long (or have much impact on the outcome of the game).

When MC said he wanted to become a progamer by being inspired by Bisu - I can get that. Because when you watched Bisu play at his best, you see things on your screen that should not be humanly possible to execute. That you could never replicate in your games no matter how much you tried. That even other progamers couldn't reliably replicate. You see all that and you appreciate all the insane hours he put in, because you can SEE the result of hard work combined with talent combined with a professional-level training environment. So you can rightfully say "this guy is amazing, I want to play the game and be just like him".

But now watch MC play, and you see none of that. There is no insane multitasking, there is very little genuine skill on display there. You see smart new build orders and perfect timings unfold, you see excellent decision making, but that just doesn't have the same impact and doesn't feel as amazing. How many new kids can MC really inspire playing a game like that? Not as many as Bisu did, rest assured. Not because he's necessarily bad and doesn't have the potential to be great, but because the game doesn't LET HIM be great at... anything really.

When everything your game has is strategy, and when the only fun (both for players and viewers) comes from variety of strategies, of course it will be more susceptible to stagnation, imbalance, luck and randomness. Blizzard needs to tweak things all the time just to keep the game watchable, and there's no way to fix a game like that "permanently".

On September 02 2013 17:08 UmberBane wrote:


I always thought this was somewhat of a weak argument, though. BW's mechanics were a thousand times harder than SC2's yet it was also a thousand times more popular in Korea than SC2 is. In comparison to BW, you don't really need that much of of a physical effort for SC2, either. That's just not a cutting factor for the popularity of a game.



In my opinion you can only judge a game by its highest level, which is of course Korea. What you just said is the equivalent of saying 4 gate is broken because it works so well in platinum. Not really a good basis to judge on.

On September 02 2013 17:29 Torte de Lini wrote:
damn, I just wrote an article on this.

On September 02 2013 17:29 theking1 wrote:


even in korea you only have max 5 viable heroes each position(due to riot design) and no progammer is known for being good at more than 3.

On September 02 2013 14:55 Xiphos wrote:

Oh boy you have no idea how gas intensive Scourges are. If you pump 70 of them, that's 35 supplies not spend on any other units right there. Once they see scourge, huge ground push incoming, GG for you.

On September 02 2013 17:39 DoNuTs84 wrote:
wow point 1 about the metagame is like the exactly reason why i quitted Starcraft II. As a Zerg player it feel realllly annoying that the Terran can just stay on T1(Marines)+T2(Widowmines) while as Zerg you basically need both ground and air T3 to deal with it safely(Ultralisks+BroodLords).

Interesting that Blizzard wants to buff Ultralisks but lets be honest it not often Zerg survives the midgame and even get 1 Ultralisk out. Ultralisk buff is good but its not gonna make you survive midgame. Its more the Marine/Widowmine composition that needs to be changed.

Only thing i can come up with that can deal with Marine/Widowmine is the old WoL Infestor where its very hard to Terran to just dodge fungal. That would maybe force terran to actually make other units than BioMine.

Lets be honest again. Protoss would still crush BroodLord/Infestor in HotS(Because of Tempest and Voidrays). Terran would have a harder time beating that...but at least it would make the games interesting again.

On September 02 2013 17:50 vthree wrote:


Well, terrans also need Medivacs which are critical part of sustaining the 4M push. Problem is that there is no other units once you go 4M. It is not like you can make a switch to Air like the zerg. And not sure how you feel that games with Infestor/BL were more interesting. At least with 4M, there are more engagements.

On September 02 2013 18:01 saddaromma wrote:


Blizzard: here, we give you single viable strategy for TvZ which is OP btw. It will force more engagements, but eventually terran will win. Because zergs are losers.
Players: YaY!

On September 02 2013 18:06 Decendos wrote:
agree 100%. blizz should really buff units that deal with mass units like infestor and viper to deal with MMMM and they should buff them so much that T cant stay on MMMM all game. but since MMMM also is the only way to really win for T they also should then buff tanks and make the transition into mech or air easier by buffing stuff like BC or raven buildtime or removing upgrades like raven energy oder BC energy upgrades, which would also fix the stalemate of TvP with MMMVG since years now.