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snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
August 31 2013 21:04 GMT
#41
I personally dont feel SC 2 is comparable to BW in terms of training or practice. Two different games and BW required practice for crazy hours because of the steep mechanics. SC 2 is much easier and more practice does not just translate into being better. I do think you have to play the best to get better so hopefully he practices against the other top players or he will lose his skill
sacade
Profile Joined January 2013
166 Posts
August 31 2013 21:05 GMT
#42
So he joins a foreign team to get more free training. We will see the outcome even if I'm not that optimistic for his futur
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
August 31 2013 21:08 GMT
#43
On September 01 2013 06:05 sacade wrote:
So he joins a foreign team to get more free training. We will see the outcome even if I'm not that optimistic for his futur


well if acer is smart they made an incentive based contract with him. i am optimistic, because a player with his mechanics can do wonders in sc2 with the right mindset.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
August 31 2013 21:17 GMT
#44
On September 01 2013 06:08 BlueFlames wrote:
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On September 01 2013 06:05 sacade wrote:
So he joins a foreign team to get more free training. We will see the outcome even if I'm not that optimistic for his futur


well if acer is smart they made an incentive based contract with him. i am optimistic, because a player with his mechanics can do wonders in sc2 with the right mindset.

prize money = incentive based contract
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
August 31 2013 21:24 GMT
#45
Seems like Innovation was genuinely done with the Kespa feel of his career, and wanted to move to broader horizons and go to more tournaments and win more. I wonder if he will stay in WCS KR, I am assuming he would.

Either way, GOGO BOGUS!
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Diaresta
Profile Joined February 2012
United States597 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 21:33:15
August 31 2013 21:33 GMT
#46
Cool to see Innovation saying he thrives better in a more relaxed training environment compared to the usual Kespa standard.

Good luck in Acer!
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Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
August 31 2013 21:35 GMT
#47
On September 01 2013 04:52 Nerchio wrote:
So now I am waiting for people to tell me that playing all day long is good


Korean doesn't need to play all day long, still own you guys from left to right in any tournaments they plays.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 31 2013 21:48 GMT
#48
Teams really need to start respecting the Code.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 21:50:55
August 31 2013 21:50 GMT
#49
On September 01 2013 04:56 WigglingSquid wrote:
I understand that his salary with Acer is lower than it was with STX, then? Or just lower than the offers from other KeSPA teams? Well, that's kind of surprising to me.

He wanted a salary of $90k USD if he was going to sign for a Kespa team because he wouldn't get much of his prize money winnings.
He joined Acer almost certainly for a lower salary on the basis he will get to keep more prize money, as foreign teams seem to more typically let players keep winnings.

His assumption is that he will get enough prize money to make up the difference between Acer and Kespa salary, but obviously it requires him to perform well.
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NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
August 31 2013 21:51 GMT
#50
On September 01 2013 06:48 StarStruck wrote:
Teams really need to start respecting the Code.


Konami Code I presume
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 31 2013 21:52 GMT
#51
If INnoVation feels like he does better with the less strict regime he should join Prime D: In all seriousness though, Axiom-Acer is going to be pretty beastly this GSTL season, especially if Scarlett can play even better coming off her break to rest her wrists.
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Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 22:07:03
August 31 2013 22:06 GMT
#52
Aint this very typical? Random people who doesn't know Innovation at all on a personal level think that they know better than him. At least I feel confident about him not bullshitting in this interview
ScGDarkness
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom9 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 22:49:03
August 31 2013 22:39 GMT
#53
On September 01 2013 05:05 Lorch wrote:
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On September 01 2013 05:01 Fluffboll wrote:
On September 01 2013 04:58 Lorch wrote:
On September 01 2013 04:56 babylon wrote:
On September 01 2013 04:52 Lorch wrote:
Oh god he thinks free training schedule is the source of his results, well hf sucking from now on.

Yes, you obviously know him better than he knows himself. :D


If he actually thinks he performed better in hots than he did in bw because of the training schedule, yes apparently I do. But I tend to not read much into 2x translated interviews.


Oh god... your complete and utter lack of understanding of how humans work and don't work is quite astounding.

You do realise that different people prosper under different circumstances right? A training schedule that makes one person a star can totally ruin another person and vice versa.


So the fact that the only relevant people in brood war spent 8+ hours means nothing (savior was the lowest with exactly 8)? Where you see difference in humans (I love how arrogantly you assume so much while telling me how little I know) I see difference in quality of games, and If I have to choose between the only decent game released in recent times being crap as you don't have to spent 8+ hours to be good or bogus getting it all wrong, I know which one I pick.


Hmm, who to trust about how to get good at SC2, the one time (or still is) best player in the world or TL poster...The fact that Saviour was maybe the best BW player ever and did the least practice might suggest that the others might have burnt out a little or he had a better practice regime maybe? In all walks of life people burn out, BW and SC2 are no different. Taking a break from things helps the brain process stuff, that can help.

And this is genuinely not an insult but as I have no clue if you are really really good at something your views on the subject are a bit irrelevant, as are mine (though I know I am pretty good at some stuff, you do not), so this whole conversation is pretty pointless on a site like TL between no names like ourselves.
"A bad plan well executed is better than a good plan badly executed" Lord Salisbury 1900
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
August 31 2013 23:34 GMT
#54
On September 01 2013 04:08 Zealos wrote:
Interesting that he feels like that strict Korean training regime held him back.

I call BS on that one hahaha.
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Like a Boss
Profile Joined January 2011
502 Posts
August 31 2013 23:38 GMT
#55
Free training does not equal less training.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 31 2013 23:39 GMT
#56
Cool thank you for this.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 31 2013 23:43 GMT
#57
thanks for this.
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jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
August 31 2013 23:56 GMT
#58
Echoing the thanks for posting this digmouse!
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Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 00:29:49
September 01 2013 00:25 GMT
#59
On September 01 2013 04:49 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
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On September 01 2013 04:36 Fusilero wrote:
On September 01 2013 04:08 Zealos wrote:
Interesting that he feels like that strict Korean training regime held him back.

An example of a player working better when free lancing his own laid back practice is violet, in the strict training of team MVP he was an awful zerg that lucked into code S by ending up in an up and downs group with kyrix and thewind. When he went solo and chilled in Texas he became one of the best and consistent zergs in the world. Some people just benefit from other training set ups.


Polt is another big example. He got really good since coming to America.

Taeja and HerO as well to some extent, or at least the same in form.

I don't necessarily think that those are good examples of those scenarios.
Those players maintained a high level of play after leaving Korea, but it wasn't because they left Korea/had a different training environment. They play well because they work at it and have the capacity to play that way.

viOLet wasn't playing like crap when he was in Korea either. He was a new player who showed very rapid improvement. From starting SC2 to making Code S, he then left SC2 for personal reasons, then joined a foreign team when he returned.
You can't accredit his success to his leaving MVP or his leaving Korea. I find it insulting to do so.

There are some players that do well after leaving Korea and didn't do well while in Korea, but they haven't had the same success as the previously mentioned players.


Edit: I actually don't like him leaving Korea, but that comes from my being a fan of him in Korea.
This will benefit him in a lot of ways, but I wish he'd stick to his roots and play well from a KeSPA team. I disagree that he has a better chance in a foreign team than he would with any KeSPA team.

Imo his head is getting to him. He had tons if success, so ofc he can feel that way, but he's also played like total garbage even when he was at his peak. Now instead of looking unstoppable he looks very vulnerable.
That's due to mentality issues, and nothing else. Not teams, not nothin!

Anyways, best of luck to him and Acer. I know it's going to be an awesome experience for both parties ;D
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
September 01 2013 00:35 GMT
#60
On September 01 2013 06:50 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 04:56 WigglingSquid wrote:
I understand that his salary with Acer is lower than it was with STX, then? Or just lower than the offers from other KeSPA teams? Well, that's kind of surprising to me.

He wanted a salary of $90k USD if he was going to sign for a Kespa team because he wouldn't get much of his prize money winnings.
He joined Acer almost certainly for a lower salary on the basis he will get to keep more prize money, as foreign teams seem to more typically let players keep winnings.

His assumption is that he will get enough prize money to make up the difference between Acer and Kespa salary, but obviously it requires him to perform well.

No SC2 player should make 90k USD salary right now. It would be stupid to do so, and thus I feel negative vibes towards this whole issue.
I also think that his prize earnings won't make up for much of anything.

Just my personal, individual opinion.
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