• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:24
CEST 22:24
KST 05:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash2[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy9ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash Pros React To: SoulKey vs Ample RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site KK Platform will provide 1 million CNY
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group C [ASL21] Ro24 Group D [ASL21] Ro24 Group B
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Darkest Dungeon Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1297 users

INnoVation's reflection on joining Acer - Page 3

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
August 31 2013 21:04 GMT
#41
I personally dont feel SC 2 is comparable to BW in terms of training or practice. Two different games and BW required practice for crazy hours because of the steep mechanics. SC 2 is much easier and more practice does not just translate into being better. I do think you have to play the best to get better so hopefully he practices against the other top players or he will lose his skill
sacade
Profile Joined January 2013
166 Posts
August 31 2013 21:05 GMT
#42
So he joins a foreign team to get more free training. We will see the outcome even if I'm not that optimistic for his futur
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
August 31 2013 21:08 GMT
#43
On September 01 2013 06:05 sacade wrote:
So he joins a foreign team to get more free training. We will see the outcome even if I'm not that optimistic for his futur


well if acer is smart they made an incentive based contract with him. i am optimistic, because a player with his mechanics can do wonders in sc2 with the right mindset.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
August 31 2013 21:17 GMT
#44
On September 01 2013 06:08 BlueFlames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 06:05 sacade wrote:
So he joins a foreign team to get more free training. We will see the outcome even if I'm not that optimistic for his futur


well if acer is smart they made an incentive based contract with him. i am optimistic, because a player with his mechanics can do wonders in sc2 with the right mindset.

prize money = incentive based contract
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
August 31 2013 21:24 GMT
#45
Seems like Innovation was genuinely done with the Kespa feel of his career, and wanted to move to broader horizons and go to more tournaments and win more. I wonder if he will stay in WCS KR, I am assuming he would.

Either way, GOGO BOGUS!
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Diaresta
Profile Joined February 2012
United States597 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 21:33:15
August 31 2013 21:33 GMT
#46
Cool to see Innovation saying he thrives better in a more relaxed training environment compared to the usual Kespa standard.

Good luck in Acer!
@Diaresta Huk//Jaedong//Taeja ★EGTL★ ♥Stephano♥ | "Agent 3154, welcome back."
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
August 31 2013 21:35 GMT
#47
On September 01 2013 04:52 Nerchio wrote:
So now I am waiting for people to tell me that playing all day long is good


Korean doesn't need to play all day long, still own you guys from left to right in any tournaments they plays.
@taefoxy
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 31 2013 21:48 GMT
#48
Teams really need to start respecting the Code.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 21:50:55
August 31 2013 21:50 GMT
#49
On September 01 2013 04:56 WigglingSquid wrote:
I understand that his salary with Acer is lower than it was with STX, then? Or just lower than the offers from other KeSPA teams? Well, that's kind of surprising to me.

He wanted a salary of $90k USD if he was going to sign for a Kespa team because he wouldn't get much of his prize money winnings.
He joined Acer almost certainly for a lower salary on the basis he will get to keep more prize money, as foreign teams seem to more typically let players keep winnings.

His assumption is that he will get enough prize money to make up the difference between Acer and Kespa salary, but obviously it requires him to perform well.
HOLY CHECK!
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
August 31 2013 21:51 GMT
#50
On September 01 2013 06:48 StarStruck wrote:
Teams really need to start respecting the Code.


Konami Code I presume
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 31 2013 21:52 GMT
#51
If INnoVation feels like he does better with the less strict regime he should join Prime D: In all seriousness though, Axiom-Acer is going to be pretty beastly this GSTL season, especially if Scarlett can play even better coming off her break to rest her wrists.
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 22:07:03
August 31 2013 22:06 GMT
#52
Aint this very typical? Random people who doesn't know Innovation at all on a personal level think that they know better than him. At least I feel confident about him not bullshitting in this interview
ScGDarkness
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom9 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 22:49:03
August 31 2013 22:39 GMT
#53
On September 01 2013 05:05 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 05:01 Fluffboll wrote:
On September 01 2013 04:58 Lorch wrote:
On September 01 2013 04:56 babylon wrote:
On September 01 2013 04:52 Lorch wrote:
Oh god he thinks free training schedule is the source of his results, well hf sucking from now on.

Yes, you obviously know him better than he knows himself. :D


If he actually thinks he performed better in hots than he did in bw because of the training schedule, yes apparently I do. But I tend to not read much into 2x translated interviews.


Oh god... your complete and utter lack of understanding of how humans work and don't work is quite astounding.

You do realise that different people prosper under different circumstances right? A training schedule that makes one person a star can totally ruin another person and vice versa.


So the fact that the only relevant people in brood war spent 8+ hours means nothing (savior was the lowest with exactly 8)? Where you see difference in humans (I love how arrogantly you assume so much while telling me how little I know) I see difference in quality of games, and If I have to choose between the only decent game released in recent times being crap as you don't have to spent 8+ hours to be good or bogus getting it all wrong, I know which one I pick.


Hmm, who to trust about how to get good at SC2, the one time (or still is) best player in the world or TL poster...The fact that Saviour was maybe the best BW player ever and did the least practice might suggest that the others might have burnt out a little or he had a better practice regime maybe? In all walks of life people burn out, BW and SC2 are no different. Taking a break from things helps the brain process stuff, that can help.

And this is genuinely not an insult but as I have no clue if you are really really good at something your views on the subject are a bit irrelevant, as are mine (though I know I am pretty good at some stuff, you do not), so this whole conversation is pretty pointless on a site like TL between no names like ourselves.
"A bad plan well executed is better than a good plan badly executed" Lord Salisbury 1900
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
August 31 2013 23:34 GMT
#54
On September 01 2013 04:08 Zealos wrote:
Interesting that he feels like that strict Korean training regime held him back.

I call BS on that one hahaha.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Like a Boss
Profile Joined January 2011
502 Posts
August 31 2013 23:38 GMT
#55
Free training does not equal less training.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 31 2013 23:39 GMT
#56
Cool thank you for this.
Moderatorlickypiddy
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 31 2013 23:43 GMT
#57
thanks for this.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
August 31 2013 23:56 GMT
#58
Echoing the thanks for posting this digmouse!
Community Newsjjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji nshoseo.jpg
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 00:29:49
September 01 2013 00:25 GMT
#59
On September 01 2013 04:49 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 04:36 Fusilero wrote:
On September 01 2013 04:08 Zealos wrote:
Interesting that he feels like that strict Korean training regime held him back.

An example of a player working better when free lancing his own laid back practice is violet, in the strict training of team MVP he was an awful zerg that lucked into code S by ending up in an up and downs group with kyrix and thewind. When he went solo and chilled in Texas he became one of the best and consistent zergs in the world. Some people just benefit from other training set ups.


Polt is another big example. He got really good since coming to America.

Taeja and HerO as well to some extent, or at least the same in form.

I don't necessarily think that those are good examples of those scenarios.
Those players maintained a high level of play after leaving Korea, but it wasn't because they left Korea/had a different training environment. They play well because they work at it and have the capacity to play that way.

viOLet wasn't playing like crap when he was in Korea either. He was a new player who showed very rapid improvement. From starting SC2 to making Code S, he then left SC2 for personal reasons, then joined a foreign team when he returned.
You can't accredit his success to his leaving MVP or his leaving Korea. I find it insulting to do so.

There are some players that do well after leaving Korea and didn't do well while in Korea, but they haven't had the same success as the previously mentioned players.


Edit: I actually don't like him leaving Korea, but that comes from my being a fan of him in Korea.
This will benefit him in a lot of ways, but I wish he'd stick to his roots and play well from a KeSPA team. I disagree that he has a better chance in a foreign team than he would with any KeSPA team.

Imo his head is getting to him. He had tons if success, so ofc he can feel that way, but he's also played like total garbage even when he was at his peak. Now instead of looking unstoppable he looks very vulnerable.
That's due to mentality issues, and nothing else. Not teams, not nothin!

Anyways, best of luck to him and Acer. I know it's going to be an awesome experience for both parties ;D
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
September 01 2013 00:35 GMT
#60
On September 01 2013 06:50 Lonyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 04:56 WigglingSquid wrote:
I understand that his salary with Acer is lower than it was with STX, then? Or just lower than the offers from other KeSPA teams? Well, that's kind of surprising to me.

He wanted a salary of $90k USD if he was going to sign for a Kespa team because he wouldn't get much of his prize money winnings.
He joined Acer almost certainly for a lower salary on the basis he will get to keep more prize money, as foreign teams seem to more typically let players keep winnings.

His assumption is that he will get enough prize money to make up the difference between Acer and Kespa salary, but obviously it requires him to perform well.

No SC2 player should make 90k USD salary right now. It would be stupid to do so, and thus I feel negative vibes towards this whole issue.
I also think that his prize earnings won't make up for much of anything.

Just my personal, individual opinion.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
S22 - Open Qualifier #4
ZZZero.O112
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 513
elazer 180
Ketroc 37
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 17299
ZZZero.O 116
Bale 11
NaDa 8
Dota 2
Gorgc10190
Counter-Strike
allub269
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0201
Other Games
Grubby3835
Liquid`RaSZi1740
B2W.Neo1475
fl0m657
KnowMe308
ToD216
Liquid`Hasu193
Mew2King69
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1851
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH158
• musti20045 31
• Adnapsc2 19
• Reevou 10
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 32
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota258
Other Games
• imaqtpie1412
• Scarra717
• Shiphtur195
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 36m
Replay Cast
12h 36m
Afreeca Starleague
13h 36m
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
14h 36m
Monday Night Weeklies
19h 36m
OSC
1d 3h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 13h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 13h
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
BSL
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-27
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
Proleague 2026-03-29
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
Escore Tournament S2: W1
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.