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interesting MMA and BOgus on the same team
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On August 30 2013 01:55 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 01:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:37 ZAiNs wrote:On August 29 2013 16:16 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 05:24 Aeromi wrote:On August 29 2013 05:19 Witten wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he drops off hard like most strong Korean players who move over to foreign teams. MMA is a good player now. Very far from what he was.. or what he could be... remember the MMA/MVP era.. when does guys were close to unbeatable. Yea but Mvp has fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team. If there's one big lesson to be learnt it's that playing Terran at the highest level will eventually make your wrists implode.  MMA has wrist problems? only bad news today
Lol not sure if serious...
But in case you are: what I was getting at is that the only reason Mvp isn't winning tournaments left and right is because of his wrist issues. That's the explanation for him having "fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team". 
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On August 30 2013 02:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 01:55 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 01:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:37 ZAiNs wrote:On August 29 2013 16:16 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 05:24 Aeromi wrote:On August 29 2013 05:19 Witten wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he drops off hard like most strong Korean players who move over to foreign teams. MMA is a good player now. Very far from what he was.. or what he could be... remember the MMA/MVP era.. when does guys were close to unbeatable. Yea but Mvp has fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team. If there's one big lesson to be learnt it's that playing Terran at the highest level will eventually make your wrists implode. MMA has wrist problems? only bad news today Lol not sure if serious... But in case you are: what I was getting at is that the only reason Mvp isn't winning tournaments left and right is because of his wrist issues. That's the explanation for him having "fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team".
Excuses. I find it funny that wrist problems are only really plaguing players now. Yes, there were cases in Brood War but it's definitely more wide spread now and that's what years of playing video games will do.
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There should be a tournament where pairs of players are locked in the booth - a strategists and a mechanists, one of them plays and the other one can look over his shoulder and tell him what to do. Finally, Mvp (given a reasonable mechanist, such as Flash or Inno) wins absolutely everything to the end of the days, unless he hits MMA in the finals.
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On August 30 2013 02:09 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:55 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 01:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:37 ZAiNs wrote:On August 29 2013 16:16 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 05:24 Aeromi wrote:On August 29 2013 05:19 Witten wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he drops off hard like most strong Korean players who move over to foreign teams. MMA is a good player now. Very far from what he was.. or what he could be... remember the MMA/MVP era.. when does guys were close to unbeatable. Yea but Mvp has fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team. If there's one big lesson to be learnt it's that playing Terran at the highest level will eventually make your wrists implode. MMA has wrist problems? only bad news today Lol not sure if serious... But in case you are: what I was getting at is that the only reason Mvp isn't winning tournaments left and right is because of his wrist issues. That's the explanation for him having "fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team". Excuses. I find it funny that wrist problems are only really plaguing players now. Yes, there were cases in Brood War but it's definitely more wide spread now and that's what years of playing video games will do.
Tbh I find it ridiculous that progamers aren't taught basic ergonomics. I guess since they have such short careers, people don't bother, but honestly, it doesn't take that long to show players a wrist-friendly set-up that would help them avoid injuries that may cripple them for life.
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On August 30 2013 02:09 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:55 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 01:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:37 ZAiNs wrote:On August 29 2013 16:16 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 05:24 Aeromi wrote:On August 29 2013 05:19 Witten wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he drops off hard like most strong Korean players who move over to foreign teams. MMA is a good player now. Very far from what he was.. or what he could be... remember the MMA/MVP era.. when does guys were close to unbeatable. Yea but Mvp has fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team. If there's one big lesson to be learnt it's that playing Terran at the highest level will eventually make your wrists implode. MMA has wrist problems? only bad news today Lol not sure if serious... But in case you are: what I was getting at is that the only reason Mvp isn't winning tournaments left and right is because of his wrist issues. That's the explanation for him having "fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team". Excuses. I find it funny that wrist problems are only really plaguing players now. Yes, there were cases in Brood War but it's definitely more wide spread now and that's what years of playing video games will do.
Nope.
If you've read any Mvp interviews (which I'm inclined to believe you didn't) you'd know his case is pretty fucking excruciating to the point where can barely practice. That's also why he dropped the more micro-heavy style in favor of mech and mind-games.
As for your point that there were cases in Brood War, how many of them were champions that faltered because of this issue? Because I only know of FlaSh, and he's had his wrist problems treated through surgery.
Playing bio in SC2 is very heavy on the micro and multi-tasking, unless you're doing the sC/Bomber style parade push where you just macro really hard and rally across the map, and many top Terrans have suffered as a result of their playstyle choice.
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On August 30 2013 02:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:09 StarStruck wrote:On August 30 2013 02:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:55 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 01:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:37 ZAiNs wrote:On August 29 2013 16:16 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 05:24 Aeromi wrote:On August 29 2013 05:19 Witten wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he drops off hard like most strong Korean players who move over to foreign teams. MMA is a good player now. Very far from what he was.. or what he could be... remember the MMA/MVP era.. when does guys were close to unbeatable. Yea but Mvp has fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team. If there's one big lesson to be learnt it's that playing Terran at the highest level will eventually make your wrists implode. MMA has wrist problems? only bad news today Lol not sure if serious... But in case you are: what I was getting at is that the only reason Mvp isn't winning tournaments left and right is because of his wrist issues. That's the explanation for him having "fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team". Excuses. I find it funny that wrist problems are only really plaguing players now. Yes, there were cases in Brood War but it's definitely more wide spread now and that's what years of playing video games will do. Nope. If you've read any Mvp interviews (which I'm inclined to believe you didn't) you'd know his case is pretty fucking excruciating to the point where can barely practice. That's also why he dropped the more micro-heavy style in favor of mech and mind-games. As for your point that there were cases in Brood War, how many of them were champions that faltered because of this issue? Because I only know of FlaSh, and he's had his wrist problems treated through surgery. Playing bio in SC2 is very heavy on the micro and multi-tasking, unless you're doing the sC/Bomber style parade push where you just macro really hard and rally across the map, and many top Terrans have suffered as a result of their playstyle choice.
iloveoov, though he fell in the shower :c
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So if MMA make a good run in Europe and Scarlet make some more point maybe Acer will be the first team to send 3 players from 3 regions to WCS finals?
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On August 30 2013 02:25 Neemi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 02:09 StarStruck wrote:On August 30 2013 02:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:55 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 01:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:37 ZAiNs wrote:On August 29 2013 16:16 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 05:24 Aeromi wrote:On August 29 2013 05:19 Witten wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he drops off hard like most strong Korean players who move over to foreign teams. MMA is a good player now. Very far from what he was.. or what he could be... remember the MMA/MVP era.. when does guys were close to unbeatable. Yea but Mvp has fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team. If there's one big lesson to be learnt it's that playing Terran at the highest level will eventually make your wrists implode. MMA has wrist problems? only bad news today Lol not sure if serious... But in case you are: what I was getting at is that the only reason Mvp isn't winning tournaments left and right is because of his wrist issues. That's the explanation for him having "fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team". Excuses. I find it funny that wrist problems are only really plaguing players now. Yes, there were cases in Brood War but it's definitely more wide spread now and that's what years of playing video games will do. Nope. If you've read any Mvp interviews (which I'm inclined to believe you didn't) you'd know his case is pretty fucking excruciating to the point where can barely practice. That's also why he dropped the more micro-heavy style in favor of mech and mind-games. As for your point that there were cases in Brood War, how many of them were champions that faltered because of this issue? Because I only know of FlaSh, and he's had his wrist problems treated through surgery. Playing bio in SC2 is very heavy on the micro and multi-tasking, unless you're doing the sC/Bomber style parade push where you just macro really hard and rally across the map, and many top Terrans have suffered as a result of their playstyle choice. iloveoov, though he fell in the shower :c
Boxer too, but his shoulder problems were more during his time as an SC2 pro (and why at the time he announced his retirement until HoTs came out, which turned into a full transition into coaching).
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When Innovation can no longer practise in a KeSPA teamhouse he will never reach his peak again, then we will have a 2nd MMA.
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On August 30 2013 04:21 Amaril wrote:
When Innovation can no longer practise in a KeSPA teamhouse he will never reach his peak again, then we will have a 2nd MMA.
MMA kinda practices in team house.
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I find it bizarre that people are suggesting that MMA has fallen because he's on a foreign team.
MMA fell very hard while he was still on SlayerS (thanks to drama). Since joining Acer he's been getting back in-form, steadily improving.
He's not as dominant now as he used to be, but it could be that everyone else just got better. Like...he dominanted in 2011. Know who else dominated in 2011? Nestea. Nestea dominated so hard he won Code S without dropping a single map. I dunno if I'd say Nestea has dropped off necessarily--he's been on the same team, with no injuries or drama, and still gets into Code S from time to time. But will Nestea (or anyone else, really) win another Code S without dropping a single map? I doubt it--the competition has heated up a lot since 2011. Even when Nestea was dominating, a friend of mine made the comment "it's not that he plays flawless or anything, it's just that nobody else has gotten good at the game yet." And yeah, that does explain how he dominated so much, when two years later players described as best in the world get countered and sniped out of winning Code S almost every time.
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On August 30 2013 02:13 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:55 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 01:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:37 ZAiNs wrote:On August 29 2013 16:16 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 05:24 Aeromi wrote:On August 29 2013 05:19 Witten wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he drops off hard like most strong Korean players who move over to foreign teams. MMA is a good player now. Very far from what he was.. or what he could be... remember the MMA/MVP era.. when does guys were close to unbeatable. Yea but Mvp has fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team. If there's one big lesson to be learnt it's that playing Terran at the highest level will eventually make your wrists implode. MMA has wrist problems? only bad news today Lol not sure if serious... But in case you are: what I was getting at is that the only reason Mvp isn't winning tournaments left and right is because of his wrist issues. That's the explanation for him having "fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team". My mistake thought I was just out of the loop. As far as Mvps neck/wrist problems go you would be surprised how many progamers deal with this pain when they play. I have talked to a few progamers about this and very few have no problems with wrist pain. Hell, I play way less then these guys and my wrists are always sore when I play. The onlty reson he is not winning is because he is not as good as the people who are? As far as wrist problems 95% of pros have the same problem, Kinda cancels out the argument.
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On August 30 2013 02:17 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:09 StarStruck wrote:On August 30 2013 02:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:55 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 01:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:37 ZAiNs wrote:On August 29 2013 16:16 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 05:24 Aeromi wrote:On August 29 2013 05:19 Witten wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he drops off hard like most strong Korean players who move over to foreign teams. MMA is a good player now. Very far from what he was.. or what he could be... remember the MMA/MVP era.. when does guys were close to unbeatable. Yea but Mvp has fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team. If there's one big lesson to be learnt it's that playing Terran at the highest level will eventually make your wrists implode. MMA has wrist problems? only bad news today Lol not sure if serious... But in case you are: what I was getting at is that the only reason Mvp isn't winning tournaments left and right is because of his wrist issues. That's the explanation for him having "fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team". Excuses. I find it funny that wrist problems are only really plaguing players now. Yes, there were cases in Brood War but it's definitely more wide spread now and that's what years of playing video games will do. Tbh I find it ridiculous that progamers aren't taught basic ergonomics. I guess since they have such short careers, people don't bother, but honestly, it doesn't take that long to show players a wrist-friendly set-up that would help them avoid injuries that may cripple them for life.
But KeSPA did to seminars and workshops with the players when it came to personal health. Heck, even Greg participated in one.
On August 30 2013 02:17 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:09 StarStruck wrote:On August 30 2013 02:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:55 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 01:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:37 ZAiNs wrote:On August 29 2013 16:16 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 05:24 Aeromi wrote:On August 29 2013 05:19 Witten wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he drops off hard like most strong Korean players who move over to foreign teams. MMA is a good player now. Very far from what he was.. or what he could be... remember the MMA/MVP era.. when does guys were close to unbeatable. Yea but Mvp has fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team. If there's one big lesson to be learnt it's that playing Terran at the highest level will eventually make your wrists implode. MMA has wrist problems? only bad news today Lol not sure if serious... But in case you are: what I was getting at is that the only reason Mvp isn't winning tournaments left and right is because of his wrist issues. That's the explanation for him having "fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team". Excuses. I find it funny that wrist problems are only really plaguing players now. Yes, there were cases in Brood War but it's definitely more wide spread now and that's what years of playing video games will do. Nope. If you've read any Mvp interviews (which I'm inclined to believe you didn't) you'd know his case is pretty fucking excruciating to the point where can barely practice. That's also why he dropped the more micro-heavy style in favor of mech and mind-games. As for your point that there were cases in Brood War, how many of them were champions that faltered because of this issue? Because I only know of FlaSh, and he's had his wrist problems treated through surgery. Playing bio in SC2 is very heavy on the micro and multi-tasking, unless you're doing the sC/Bomber style parade push where you just macro really hard and rally across the map, and many top Terrans have suffered as a result of their playstyle choice.
I read plenty of interviews thanks. I know what he said about switching it up. Now let's go back to the main point, BW was also micro-intensive as shit, so you aren't going to sell me that can of worms. The precious thing we're looking at here is time. A lot of these guys have spent a huge portion of their lives training for RTS. It will catch up to you eventually if you don't do daily maintenance to your body. You aren't supposed to be spending that much time in front of a computer/desk period. At the end of the day time conquers all. MVP was good, but I think some of you give certain players a little too much credit.
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On August 30 2013 02:09 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:55 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 01:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:37 ZAiNs wrote:On August 29 2013 16:16 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 05:24 Aeromi wrote:On August 29 2013 05:19 Witten wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he drops off hard like most strong Korean players who move over to foreign teams. MMA is a good player now. Very far from what he was.. or what he could be... remember the MMA/MVP era.. when does guys were close to unbeatable. Yea but Mvp has fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team. If there's one big lesson to be learnt it's that playing Terran at the highest level will eventually make your wrists implode. MMA has wrist problems? only bad news today Lol not sure if serious... But in case you are: what I was getting at is that the only reason Mvp isn't winning tournaments left and right is because of his wrist issues. That's the explanation for him having "fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team". Excuses. I find it funny that wrist problems are only really plaguing players now. Yes, there were cases in Brood War but it's definitely more wide spread now and that's what years of playing video games will do. Why write about them being excuses? Yes, they are legitimate excuses. Are you implying you don't believe some of them?
Also, not everyone reports wrist issues.
Also, MVP's dilemma is far more severe than wrists issues. He has a problem with his spine.
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There no rumour that there will be a cataclysm news between 8.31 to 9.1 in Korean sc2 scene.
I am guess, no more proleague.
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On August 30 2013 12:53 SaltySam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:09 StarStruck wrote:On August 30 2013 02:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:55 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 01:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:37 ZAiNs wrote:On August 29 2013 16:16 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 05:24 Aeromi wrote:On August 29 2013 05:19 Witten wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he drops off hard like most strong Korean players who move over to foreign teams. MMA is a good player now. Very far from what he was.. or what he could be... remember the MMA/MVP era.. when does guys were close to unbeatable. Yea but Mvp has fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team. If there's one big lesson to be learnt it's that playing Terran at the highest level will eventually make your wrists implode. MMA has wrist problems? only bad news today Lol not sure if serious... But in case you are: what I was getting at is that the only reason Mvp isn't winning tournaments left and right is because of his wrist issues. That's the explanation for him having "fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team". Excuses. I find it funny that wrist problems are only really plaguing players now. Yes, there were cases in Brood War but it's definitely more wide spread now and that's what years of playing video games will do. Why write about them being excuses? Yes, they are legitimate excuses. Are you implying you don't believe some of them? Also, not everyone reports wrist issues. Also, MVP's dilemma is far more severe than wrists issues. He has a problem with his spine.
Not when you can take certain precautions. They are excuses. When the problem materializes that's when you address it before it becomes too problematic. At the end of the day, you have no one but yourself to blame for pushing too hard. There's a lot of shit that goes on in people's heads when it comes to limiting themselves when it comes to participating in activity. A lot of it's just mental.
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On August 30 2013 12:30 00higgo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:13 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 02:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:55 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 01:41 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On August 30 2013 01:37 ZAiNs wrote:On August 29 2013 16:16 jarod wrote:On August 29 2013 05:24 Aeromi wrote:On August 29 2013 05:19 Witten wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if he drops off hard like most strong Korean players who move over to foreign teams. MMA is a good player now. Very far from what he was.. or what he could be... remember the MMA/MVP era.. when does guys were close to unbeatable. Yea but Mvp has fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team. If there's one big lesson to be learnt it's that playing Terran at the highest level will eventually make your wrists implode. MMA has wrist problems? only bad news today Lol not sure if serious... But in case you are: what I was getting at is that the only reason Mvp isn't winning tournaments left and right is because of his wrist issues. That's the explanation for him having "fallen about as far as MMA, and he isn't on a foreign team". My mistake thought I was just out of the loop. As far as Mvps neck/wrist problems go you would be surprised how many progamers deal with this pain when they play. I have talked to a few progamers about this and very few have no problems with wrist pain. Hell, I play way less then these guys and my wrists are always sore when I play. The onlty reson he is not winning is because he is not as good as the people who are? As far as wrist problems 95% of pros have the same problem, Kinda cancels out the argument.
Mvp has spine problem. If you're saying 95% progamer have same problem I don't know what to say to you.
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