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Godwrath
Spain10133 Posts
On August 24 2013 18:57 Qikz wrote: You mean... like TvP which has been stale since the release of the game? Damnit T_T Why do people find TvP entertaining.  Because the best terrans just own on it. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
I'd really like to hear the dev team talk about that. But I guess they won't talk about that nor change anything until sc3... So we'll still see stupid comebacks that shouldn't be possible, 11mn maxes, instant remaxes, 15mn 3/3 timings, pre 10 mn 2 base all ins, games where T loses all his workers and still has income... and so on And lol@ the propositions about how to make the game easier to make it fun and how 100apm is unreachable for casual players. It's not true at all, it's a muscle memory thing, if you enjoy the game, you'll be able to play and get used to hit production and such. I've got very casual friends that are totally able to macro decently. Broodwar was extremely popular in korea while being way harder mechanically than sc2.. I for one got interested in sc2 because of the mechanical difficulty. This has never been the problem, changing the fundamentals of what starcraft is since it exists to appeal to more players would be the dumbest thing ever in my opinion, because that would mean losing all the current ones and the spirit of the game. What would be important now is to try to please the people that loved broodwar and don't like sc2 as much because of some dumb mechanics or units. | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1978 Posts
What would be important now is to try to please the people that loved broodwar and don't like sc2 as much because of some dumb mechanics or units. That will never happen, because they wont change the fundamental flaws. (my oppinion) | ||
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Mutineer
New Zealand179 Posts
On August 24 2013 19:47 TaShadan wrote: You should try out Total Annihilation. It has exactly what you want. http://zero.tauniverse.com/ Its a great mod that improves TA ever further. And simular replyes, try to change topic and attack me personally. It has nothing to do with me, but with what I believe is best for starcraft. About existing players leaving, why? It change nothing on high level. If you macro preciselly yourself you will have mach betterr control on that units you need now, then automated macro. All it will do is to make game mach easier to get into, atract more beginers to have fun and not get dissapointed by boring aspect of the game. All of you long time players forgetting that magority of money come from NOOBS. Success of game depends on how mach it is noob friendly. It can have a lot of depts and fun at the end, but if it does not atract and retain noobs they will never come to that level. There a lots of interesting deep games that have very stable and small niche market but never become really popular. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1978 Posts
On August 24 2013 20:36 Mutineer wrote: And simular replyes, try to change topic and attack me personally. It has nothing to do with me, but with what I believe is best for starcraft. About existing players leaving, why? It change nothing on high level. If you macro preciselly yourself you will have mach betterr control on that units you need now, then automated macro. All it will do is to make game mach easier to get into, atract more beginers to have fun and not get dissapointed by boring aspect of the game. All of you long time players forgetting that magority of money come from NOOBS. Success of game depends on how mach it is noob friendly. It can have a lot of depts and fun at the end, but if it does not atract and retain noobs they will never come to that level. There a lots of interesting deep games that have very stable and small niche market but never become really popular. Not exactly. I love TA and especially TA Zero. If you want a game less mechanically demanding you should try it.If you think iam trolling you i cant help you. | ||
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HelpMeGetBetter
United States764 Posts
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
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GhostOwl
766 Posts
On August 24 2013 14:53 avilo wrote: Good interview and good questions. Their answers about mech are quite infuriating to read. Especially this part: "If you increase the damage a bit, it won't change much because Immortals and Zealots have a really harsh counter relationship with Tanks..." So they recognize no matter what they change with Terran mech...the main issue is the immortal being an extreme hard counter to mech/tanks TvP..soooo...how about they do something about it  Whoever the interviewer was, props to you for actually knowing your shiot about the game and asking amazing questions. edit: aha, good stuff you DO realize Terran mech vs Protoss doesn't HAVE to be viable right? You can't have every option available to you, that's making your own race op. Bio in BW vs Protoss wasn't really viable except for few early game cheeses, and TvP in BW was the most balanced matchup we've seen ever. That's like me complaining I can't go full sky toss vs. Terran. | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On August 24 2013 21:34 GhostOwl wrote: you DO realize Terran mech vs Protoss doesn't HAVE to be viable right? You can't have every option available to you, that's making your own race op. Bio in BW vs Protoss wasn't really viable except for few early game cheeses, and TvP in BW was the most balanced matchup we've seen ever. That's like me complaining I can't go full sky toss vs. Terran. Except if Mech was viable vs Protoss then SkyToss would automatically be viable vs Mech thus creating a win/win. Just the same as if Mech was viable then it drastically improves the viability of Swarm Hosts and Hydralisks vs Terran. The reason Mech complaints are so common these days is because Mech is ONLY viable in TvT and even there it isn't as good as it was in WoL. M^4 is FAR superior in TvZ and Hive Tech has a plethora of hard counters to Mech play and Mech is even less viable in TvP than it was in WoL which I never thought I'd ever find myself saying. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
 good interview. | ||
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Estancia
Korea (South)335 Posts
There are quite a few RTS games out there, but Starcraft is unique among them because it has much harder mechanics. Although I agree that the current metagame sucks (except for TvZ, thats probably the only ones I watch) that can be improved. Starcraft needs to keep its uniqueness. Also although the questions were really good, the response was shit. So many uncertainty. I haven't learnt a single thing from this interview. | ||
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plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
hey kind of fixed the Mirrors in a way of not having the same matches as in WoL and PvP goes to more than 1 base now. I really like marine Tank and i want it to be viable in PvT and TvZ :D | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On August 24 2013 21:42 Sprouter wrote: all of the "we're looking into it, maybe there will be something in the future" answers are so annoying. It's the PR Blizzard answer for "No". | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On August 24 2013 21:34 GhostOwl wrote: you DO realize Terran mech vs Protoss doesn't HAVE to be viable right? You can't have every option available to you, that's making your own race op. Bio in BW vs Protoss wasn't really viable except for few early game cheeses, and TvP in BW was the most balanced matchup we've seen ever. That's like me complaining I can't go full sky toss vs. Terran. Everything you said is true, but there are still reasons why people want mech to be viable in tvp. It is a unique playstyle that we dont see as much and a lot of people find it fun to watch. Also people want it to be viable for the same reason that they want hydralisks to be a useful unit or zealots to have a speed upgrade instead of charge or the collossus to go away and for the reaver to come back | ||
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mau5mat
Northern Ireland461 Posts
On August 24 2013 19:19 Mutineer wrote: What I really do not undestand why SC2 have to have that mach mechanic component. It takes about 100 apm minimum only to produce, build, research resonably well. Which majority of non proffecionals have less then that apm, It greatly reduce enjoyement of game for non profecionals. So, why not reduce Mechanic APM needed? It is relativelly simple to do. Example: Make quied units use no resources untill they are in production. Make it possible to autocats production. Add easy priority order of spending resource. For zerg, make injects and creep autocast, but do remove infinite range creep. Make SCV, probes autocats. Add easy way to see total amount scv/probe drones we have. I am sure there some way to automate zerg production too. This few changes will reduce mechanic for non profeccionals, makes game more fun for them as they will be able to spend more time doing fun stuff, like micro there units. Pro can still execise there A and S fingers. For mech, I believe simpel reduction medibac volume of tanks to 2 and hellions to 1 will greatly increase mech mobility, making them more valible in all mach ups and do not change T-T too mach. This is literally the worst suggestion I have ever seen for SC2 | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
I always wanted to ask what units would be needed in LotV to really shift the game into a more miltitude of playstyles for each race. I feel Terran need another mech while I'm not quite sure for Protoss | ||
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Cloak
United States816 Posts
On August 24 2013 23:15 Torte de Lini wrote: Sweet questions man, people take note of the TL Strat Team! I always wanted to ask what units would be needed in LotV to really shift the game into a more miltitude of playstyles for each race. I feel Terran need another mech while I'm not quite sure for Protoss For Protoss, they lack skirmish potency. A DT redesign would be pretty awesome, or another templar unit. Protoss air will be fixed when Mech gets fixed. | ||
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blarkh
Austria72 Posts
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