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WCS S2 Finals: INnoVation - Questions to Answer - Page 13

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ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
August 23 2013 22:44 GMT
#241
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Sure this guy was a little mean about it.. but a temp ban for stating what is pretty much exactly what happened to Innovation?
secret - never again
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 22:52:05
August 23 2013 22:51 GMT
#242
On August 24 2013 07:44 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Sure this guy was a little mean about it.. but a temp ban for stating what is pretty much exactly what happened to Innovation?


Drawing those conclusions based on 2 BO3's is unintelligent.
NewEyes
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany113 Posts
August 23 2013 22:55 GMT
#243
Next time i am going to bet on anything i ll pm Zealously and beg him to give me the results beforehand.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 23 2013 22:55 GMT
#244
On August 24 2013 07:51 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 07:44 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Sure this guy was a little mean about it.. but a temp ban for stating what is pretty much exactly what happened to Innovation?


Drawing those conclusions based on 2 BO3's is unintelligent.


I think mods just really don't like the term patch*race*, I think I read somewhere that you're probably gonna get banned if you call someone that.
Erraa93
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia891 Posts
August 23 2013 22:56 GMT
#245
On August 24 2013 04:09 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 04:07 DBS wrote:
On August 24 2013 04:05 Zealously wrote:
On August 24 2013 04:04 dastrokes wrote:
Whatever, still no way Innovation will lose to duckduck.


He's already eliminated bro so it doesn't matter


You've gotta be feeling so good about this


You have no idea ^^


oh wow. one more to go. and you will be on fire.
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
August 23 2013 23:45 GMT
#246
On August 24 2013 07:51 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 07:44 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Sure this guy was a little mean about it.. but a temp ban for stating what is pretty much exactly what happened to Innovation?


Drawing those conclusions based on 2 BO3's is unintelligent.

The post was actually made before the games btw
Darkomicron
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands216 Posts
August 24 2013 00:06 GMT
#247
On August 23 2013 03:10 needcomputer wrote:
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.

Innovation loses a couple times so he has actually lost his skill permanently?


Good thing you didn't, huh?
"Night will fall, and so will you"
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
August 24 2013 01:54 GMT
#248
Heheh, so many people in this thread got shit on. Now that is entertainment.
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Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
August 24 2013 02:45 GMT
#249
I'm just going to go ahead and compile a good amount of QFTs here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 23 2013 03:10 needcomputer wrote:
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.

Innovation loses a couple times so he has actually lost his skill permanently?


On August 23 2013 03:11 scsnow wrote:
Show nested quote +
Taeja and Naniwa advance to the Round of 8


with this season's EU champ and previous season global champ going out... no way dude.


On August 23 2013 03:17 Fr0st1 wrote:
Considering INnoVation is 24-6 against mostly top korean protoss players, I really don't see him losing to duckdoek or Naniwa.


On August 23 2013 03:34 StarStruck wrote:
You're crazy. Bogus will be fine.


On August 23 2013 03:37 Godwrath wrote:
The prediction is quite bold. It is not like Innovation's TvP is bad. I can see Taeja winning (even tho it would be an upset for me), but no way he loses to Naniwa or Dolan. And Naniwa beating Dolan is even more unlikely.

The group will go as follows

Innovation
Duckdeok
Taeja
Naniwa.


On August 23 2013 03:40 Musicus wrote:
Innovation losing to Taeja and Duckdeok. I didn't know Zealously was a crazy person.


On August 23 2013 03:43 rshawer wrote:
So apparently naniwa will advance over Innovation, and Duckdeok will beat Innovation? Dang, the writers must be on some strong european mary jane


On August 23 2013 03:45 heartlxp wrote:
hahahahaha, the best player in the world loses 2 series and somehow will lose to ppl who can't even cut it in KR, okay!


On August 23 2013 04:15 -niL wrote:
Innovation stomp is obvious


On August 23 2013 04:23 shid0x wrote:
Zealously you're drunk,go home.


On August 23 2013 04:24 ThePlagueJG wrote:
If I had money I would literally give you lots of it if the prediction comes through xD

Though I think NaNiwa can win a game in the group for some extra points never count that out.


On August 23 2013 04:25 TsGBruzze wrote:
WTF is wrong with the predictions?


On August 23 2013 04:35 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I'm going to laugh when this is so wrong.


On August 23 2013 04:41 FatCat_13 wrote:
The author's problem is that he assumes Naniwa and Duckdeok are the level of Parting. This assumption is wrong so is the prediction. Innovation is likely to outclass all three his opponents in this group to a fair 3-0.


On August 23 2013 04:44 dastrokes wrote:
Yeah, not gonna happen. I can see Innovation lose to Taeja, but duckdeok?


On August 23 2013 04:45 Blargh wrote:
Now, I'm a big Naniwa fan, but no.


On August 23 2013 04:50 LeviathanDK wrote:
foreign biased prediction... going to love watching it fail


On August 23 2013 04:58 Ameisenmann wrote:
This prediction will be wronger than wrong.


On August 23 2013 05:15 Zeon0 wrote:
dat prediction :D

Innovation will stomp everyone in this group, there are no Code S Level players. Duckdeok isnt good enough for Korea, same goes for Taeja. He will stomp everyone who didnt qualify through Korea


On August 23 2013 05:40 Nirel wrote:
Pffft, thats never going to happen lol. obvious bias


On August 23 2013 05:49 FanaticCZ wrote:
haha...this prediction is so wrong


On August 23 2013 06:14 HandleTaken wrote:
If your predictions come true I will happily eat a hat

Please make it true Naniwa...



On August 23 2013 06:20 forsooth wrote:
Someone needs to take away your pitcher of foreigner kool-aid, you've clearly had too much.


On August 23 2013 06:20 lamiller wrote:
What crack pipe is OP smoking?


On August 23 2013 06:21 Mairo wrote:
This is beyond crazy. The fact you're betting against the best player in the world whose skill honestly can't be determined by losing two matches is beyond silly. I think you are focusing on the negatives on Innovation, and focusing on the positives of Naniwa and Duck, because what you're doing is seeing past the domination Innovation had in Proleague (whose skill-ceiling is above the roof) and his domination before dropping out of WCS. That you think the player with all these accomplishments will lose out is completely beyond me. But, if you are right then I'll be the first one to admit you were right all along, but as it stands now based on that there's no way that Naniwa or Duck could make it past ro16 in WCS Korea I'd say your chances of getting this right is more than slim, hell it's minute.


On August 23 2013 06:30 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow that's a lousy prediction.. yeah OK...

I placed my liquid bet already.


On August 23 2013 06:41 Schelim wrote:
yeah no. it's gonna be Taeja in first and Innovation in second place. but i'm fine with anything as long as Naniwa doesn't advance.


On August 23 2013 06:49 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Zealously really likes to see Innovation get crushed. Purely emotional prediction, nothing logical.


On August 23 2013 07:15 skylarr wrote:
who made these predictions? do you honestly think innovation is going to lose this group?


On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.


On August 23 2013 07:44 9-BiT wrote:
If only there was a way to bet against your predictions, I would be a millionaire.


And, just because it's so beautifully relevant (and a bit cheeky):

On August 23 2013 05:47 Popkiller wrote:
if zealously gets this one right we'll never hear the end of it.

Treating eSports as a social science since 2011; Credo: "The system is never wrong"-- Day9 Daily #400 Part 3
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
August 24 2013 03:52 GMT
#250
On August 24 2013 11:45 mbr2321 wrote:
I'm just going to go ahead and compile a good amount of QFTs here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 23 2013 03:10 needcomputer wrote:
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.

Innovation loses a couple times so he has actually lost his skill permanently?


On August 23 2013 03:11 scsnow wrote:
Show nested quote +
Taeja and Naniwa advance to the Round of 8


with this season's EU champ and previous season global champ going out... no way dude.


On August 23 2013 03:17 Fr0st1 wrote:
Considering INnoVation is 24-6 against mostly top korean protoss players, I really don't see him losing to duckdoek or Naniwa.


On August 23 2013 03:34 StarStruck wrote:
You're crazy. Bogus will be fine.


On August 23 2013 03:37 Godwrath wrote:
The prediction is quite bold. It is not like Innovation's TvP is bad. I can see Taeja winning (even tho it would be an upset for me), but no way he loses to Naniwa or Dolan. And Naniwa beating Dolan is even more unlikely.

The group will go as follows

Innovation
Duckdeok
Taeja
Naniwa.


On August 23 2013 03:40 Musicus wrote:
Innovation losing to Taeja and Duckdeok. I didn't know Zealously was a crazy person.


On August 23 2013 03:43 rshawer wrote:
So apparently naniwa will advance over Innovation, and Duckdeok will beat Innovation? Dang, the writers must be on some strong european mary jane


On August 23 2013 03:45 heartlxp wrote:
hahahahaha, the best player in the world loses 2 series and somehow will lose to ppl who can't even cut it in KR, okay!


On August 23 2013 04:15 -niL wrote:
Innovation stomp is obvious


On August 23 2013 04:23 shid0x wrote:
Zealously you're drunk,go home.


On August 23 2013 04:24 ThePlagueJG wrote:
If I had money I would literally give you lots of it if the prediction comes through xD

Though I think NaNiwa can win a game in the group for some extra points never count that out.


On August 23 2013 04:25 TsGBruzze wrote:
WTF is wrong with the predictions?


On August 23 2013 04:35 renaissanceMAN wrote:
I'm going to laugh when this is so wrong.


On August 23 2013 04:41 FatCat_13 wrote:
The author's problem is that he assumes Naniwa and Duckdeok are the level of Parting. This assumption is wrong so is the prediction. Innovation is likely to outclass all three his opponents in this group to a fair 3-0.


On August 23 2013 04:44 dastrokes wrote:
Yeah, not gonna happen. I can see Innovation lose to Taeja, but duckdeok?


On August 23 2013 04:45 Blargh wrote:
Now, I'm a big Naniwa fan, but no.


On August 23 2013 04:50 LeviathanDK wrote:
foreign biased prediction... going to love watching it fail


On August 23 2013 04:58 Ameisenmann wrote:
This prediction will be wronger than wrong.


On August 23 2013 05:15 Zeon0 wrote:
dat prediction :D

Innovation will stomp everyone in this group, there are no Code S Level players. Duckdeok isnt good enough for Korea, same goes for Taeja. He will stomp everyone who didnt qualify through Korea


On August 23 2013 05:40 Nirel wrote:
Pffft, thats never going to happen lol. obvious bias


On August 23 2013 05:49 FanaticCZ wrote:
haha...this prediction is so wrong


On August 23 2013 06:14 HandleTaken wrote:
If your predictions come true I will happily eat a hat

Please make it true Naniwa...



On August 23 2013 06:20 forsooth wrote:
Someone needs to take away your pitcher of foreigner kool-aid, you've clearly had too much.


On August 23 2013 06:20 lamiller wrote:
What crack pipe is OP smoking?


On August 23 2013 06:21 Mairo wrote:
This is beyond crazy. The fact you're betting against the best player in the world whose skill honestly can't be determined by losing two matches is beyond silly. I think you are focusing on the negatives on Innovation, and focusing on the positives of Naniwa and Duck, because what you're doing is seeing past the domination Innovation had in Proleague (whose skill-ceiling is above the roof) and his domination before dropping out of WCS. That you think the player with all these accomplishments will lose out is completely beyond me. But, if you are right then I'll be the first one to admit you were right all along, but as it stands now based on that there's no way that Naniwa or Duck could make it past ro16 in WCS Korea I'd say your chances of getting this right is more than slim, hell it's minute.


On August 23 2013 06:30 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow that's a lousy prediction.. yeah OK...

I placed my liquid bet already.


On August 23 2013 06:41 Schelim wrote:
yeah no. it's gonna be Taeja in first and Innovation in second place. but i'm fine with anything as long as Naniwa doesn't advance.


On August 23 2013 06:49 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
Zealously really likes to see Innovation get crushed. Purely emotional prediction, nothing logical.


On August 23 2013 07:15 skylarr wrote:
who made these predictions? do you honestly think innovation is going to lose this group?


On August 23 2013 07:20 Bagration wrote:
It would be a surprise if Innovation didn't win his group, much less finish last in his group.

It's funny, Innovation makes it to the Ro4 of the OSL, and qualifies for WCG by getting 3rd at WCG Korea, and these are actually considered bad results for him.


On August 23 2013 07:44 9-BiT wrote:
If only there was a way to bet against your predictions, I would be a millionaire.


And, just because it's so beautifully relevant (and a bit cheeky):

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 05:47 Popkiller wrote:
if zealously gets this one right we'll never hear the end of it.


I predicted innovation in second place behind taeja
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tubs
Profile Joined March 2010
764 Posts
August 24 2013 03:56 GMT
#251
You're a wizard, Zealously.

Spot on predictions and impressive insight!
"Roach dies to immortal and rockit black guy" - Tierdal.thex
RandyL
Profile Joined May 2013
Australia148 Posts
August 24 2013 04:42 GMT
#252
seriously that innovation prediction
not sure if crazy or actually godlike
if naniwa advances tomorrow (i'm like 90% sure he won't) then zealously is the one foretold, the one to bring balance back to the force, to defeat the artosis curse.
BurNIng your soul.
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
August 24 2013 04:52 GMT
#253
innovation usually just did mmm mine vs zerg.. i don't see how the hellbat nerf could cause such a drastic change in results. People aren't the best forever and can easily start sucking, stop being so fucking dramatic.
savior did nothing wrong
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
August 24 2013 05:17 GMT
#254
Naniwa did his research like any pro should. PartinG did the ground work, Naniwa saw the 'how', adapted it to his style, and executed very well. The observers and knowing Inno would duel-drop <9mins were basically what it won for him imho.

Innovation was blocked at every drop cos Naniwa saw it coming and even got lucky by wiping-out drop ships with blink. Good solid play by Naniwa, all he did was know what Inno was doing and defend then attck with very good army control and composition. Once Innovation lost those drop ships (supply) , any good RTS player knows that Innovation was behind, Naniwa pressed this advantage with good battle micro ftw.

Innovation lost due to BO imho, I think he will adapt better and be unbeatable next WCS.
*burp*
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 24 2013 05:57 GMT
#255
On August 23 2013 03:10 needcomputer wrote:
I would bet my life's money that your prediction is so very very wrong. That is all.

Innovation loses a couple times so he has actually lost his skill permanently?

Good thing no one took that bet eh?
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
August 24 2013 05:58 GMT
#256
On August 24 2013 07:55 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 07:51 Doodsmack wrote:
On August 24 2013 07:44 ch33psh33p wrote:
On August 23 2013 05:08 shin777 wrote:
hellbat nerf = end of innovation

what do you expect? he was overhyped when he was mere patch terran champ who abused hellbat to death. He's only good for TvZ and that's it. Kinda like forgg who's only good at TvT but sux at other match ups. Era of Innovation was already ended the moment hellnerf implanted. I was sick of his hellbat abuse to mech push or cheese(2 frigging patterns all the time) in tvt anyway. Right now, he's still in round of 4 but you just watch. It will be lucky for him to make it to round of 8 from next season or drop down to code A and struggle there like startale life. Winning season 1 final was too good for patch terran champ anyway. MVP is sitll the king of terran. Innovation has a lot to prove for next 3-4 seasons at least by winning at least 1 or 2 more big championships in korea to be considered world's best. It was a bad joke calling him the best in the world when he abused hellbat and cheese to win his first and will be the only championship. Good bye innovation.

User was temp banned for this post.


Sure this guy was a little mean about it.. but a temp ban for stating what is pretty much exactly what happened to Innovation?


Drawing those conclusions based on 2 BO3's is unintelligent.


I think mods just really don't like the term patch*race*, I think I read somewhere that you're probably gonna get banned if you call someone that.

But we all know bitbybit was the worst patch terran of all time... He was one before it was cool. Except instead of the patch making him good, it just made scv allins worse
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
August 24 2013 06:40 GMT
#257
HOTS is a Rock-Paper-Scissor game type. We will not have dominant players when build orders are more important than skill.
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
August 24 2013 06:48 GMT
#258
WTF Zealously prediction so TRUEEEE
@taefoxy
Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
August 24 2013 07:02 GMT
#259
On August 24 2013 15:40 p14c wrote:
HOTS is a Rock-Paper-Scissor game type. We will not have dominant players when build orders are more important than skill.

so you mean me, a diamond kr player, if i flip coins and get heads 100 times in a row i'll be a WCS champion?

sick, i'll work on my coin micro, because apparently thats all it takes.
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
Mista_Masta
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands557 Posts
August 24 2013 07:32 GMT
#260
I guess Zealously knew about Artosis cursing Innovation, so this prediction actually makes sense.
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