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Mayhemia-
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland58 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 17:36:28
August 18 2013 17:17 GMT
#1
Important! Players playing for NrS team have never been under suspicion of cheating. This concerns only the team boss whose actions may have negative effect on the team reputation as a whole.

I am bringing this case to everyone’s knowledge because according to NewRoSoft website (http://www.nrsteam.com/about.php) he is the team owner and at the very least he carries NrS tag on the ladder. Thus he is “someone” in the esports scene, and as such if caught hacking should be brought to the public knowledge.

Andrei Gireada aka Egomancer or [NrS]LionHeart on the ladder. Bnet profile http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/245593/1/LionHeart/


There is enough evidence beyond reasonable doubt to make such an accusation, mostly in GM/Master hacker thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340614&currentpage=331 Pages 331 and then from 334 onwards until 347.

I am going to break down here all the evidence I have gathered from the GM/Master hacker thread and the 4 replays posted in there. Common to all four replays is very low/non-existent scouting. A lot of the evidence is circumstantial, however, there are few pieces of very damning evidence which are rather impossible to explain. With everything brought together, the case is very strong if not impenetrable.

Also, here is a good video on the topic created by Generalul



Replay one http://drop.sc/352984 :

This is by far the most important replay mostly due to 12:50, 16:47 and the burrow ling episode which is quite hilarious.

-10:30 Slightly after the spire goes down, he reacts with 2 stargates (no knowledge of the spire) Followed with Fleet Beacon for Phoenix range upgrade.

-12:15 3 Cannons Blindly at natural

-12:50 to 13:00 His camera jumps to the natural to warp in stalkers into the mineral line in anticipation of mutalisks that are not in his vision. If you pause at 12:58 and watch his vision it is clear that he sees the mutas before they are in his legit vision.

-16:47 This is the single most important piece of evidence in my opinion. Without any kind of warning he proceeds to active Photon Overcharge in anticipation of attack that is out of his vision range. This is hard evidence.

-17:25 He sends his whole army and a probe to potential 4th location. Burrowed Zergling is there to deny this move. However, he shouldn’t know this. Still, he does not even try to build the nexus and finally starts an observer without ever getting the error message that something is actually blocking the nexus construction.

-17:40 He immediately pulls back when Zerg army starts moving on the map. (He has no vision still). Around the same time he warps in 4 Zealots to block his main base from an attack which he does not see until after the warp in.

19:00 Pulls his army towards natural mineral line yet again in anticipation of an attack he has yet to see.




Replay two http://drop.sc/354364 :

-6:40 He selects the mothership core in anticipation of marine poke. He activates the Photon Overcharge when the marines come into the vision. (Looks rather weird in his camera)

-12:20 Moves his whole army to intercept drop at third location without any vision.

-17:05 He conveniently builds forward pylons on the exact moment double drop is coming towards his 4th. This looks like maphack masking especially since there are no other forward pylons for scouting purposes in the game.
He also selects his army on the very same moment and immediately sends it to clear the attack when he sees first units.

18:45 When Terran is preparing to move out with maxed army he walks to the middle and creates perfect concave where the terran army walks and dies. No vision.




Replay three http://drop.sc/354369 :

Because I don’t understand PvP I will copy paste from the General hacking thread.

On August 16 2013 04:00 Nyast wrote:


More proof on [NrS]LionHeart:

http://drop.sc/354369

I remembered this thread, so I decided to go for a very agressive build to see how he'd react. Here are the results:

- 5'15: chronoes a stalker without scouting that I'm arriving with 2 zealots and 2 stalkers. It makes no sense to go for a 3 gate build and to suddenly chrono a stalker in the middle of it like that.
- 5'25: his camera jumps at my army at his natural right before he has vision of it. He has his army already pre-selected too.

If it was an isolated incident it could have been a coincidence, but in the light of the 2 previous posters, I have no doubt he's indeed hacking.





Replay Four http://ggtracker.com/matches/3883079 :

-3:45 Scouting (finally). However the pathing is a bit weird. He is about to skip the main where enemy is. When the probe finally arrives it gets funnier, he passes the main, seeing a bit of creep. Then pulls back in a move which looks a little bit masking.

(However, this move is not exactly the most suspicious on the list. It is simply weird)

-9:25ish He conveniently gets out of his base to catch the Zerglings.

-9:50 Again, slightly after the spire goes down he drops down two stargates, and later on Fleet Beacon without seeing scouting mutalisks. This is too much of an coincidence in my opinion.

-11:15 Observer arrives in Zerg base. He never ever makes an effort to scout anything with the observer, he simply moves it to Zerg base into a spot where it gives zero useful scouting information and then forgets about it (Mind you, player is at master level).

-11:30 Watch his vision. Whilst his vision is in main base he selects his army in anticipation of an attack yet to come, and when first ling or two hits the vision reacts immediately by sending army via minimap to defend the 3rd.

-12:40 Moves phoenix fleet in anticipation of a mutalisk attack.




There is the replay evidence. I would like to point out once more that most of the evidence is circumstantial, however few parts with unexplainable moves coupled with other weird moves and the fact that he is without scouting information pretty much always in the right place makes the case.


I would like to point out also, that Egomancer has been derailing conversation in the original GM/Master Hacker thread (Pages 334 to 343), accusing his opponents of maphacking (including me, I play the Terran in Replay two) and giving right out bizarre explanations for his weird gameplay. Everything taken into consideration, this is not a personal witch hunt against anyone, since the evidence is there. You may see it for yourself.

Egomancer has has been banned today from Team Liquid.

Edit// Added Bnet profile and personal information
Edit2// Do not blow back this on NrS players, they have never showed cheating behaviour.
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 17:40:26
August 18 2013 17:30 GMT
#2
Let's hope that the rest of the team gets aware of this. Some game from him could be explained with luck, but all in all the evidence is very strong. Too many lucky transitions and DT harassments.

I recommend Generalul to use an authenticator or at least switch screen and microphone off during password entry.
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TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
August 18 2013 17:37 GMT
#3
Good thread, hopefully they get this sorted out without too much drama.
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JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 18:13:32
August 18 2013 18:05 GMT
#4
Shame the audio in the video is so bad, watching it right now. It's hard to hear what he is saying. The evidence seems very damning though.

wow, the maphacker accuses the other guy of hacking, thats pretty hilarious.
"Right on" - Morrow
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
August 18 2013 18:20 GMT
#5
On August 19 2013 03:05 JacobShock wrote:
Shame the audio in the video is so bad, watching it right now. It's hard to hear what he is saying. The evidence seems very damning though.

wow, the maphacker accuses the other guy of hacking, thats pretty hilarious.

Happened a few times to me. Would play vs a dude on ladder, very blatantly hacking, then when he loses "LOL reporting for hacking noob" or something similar.
Refer to my post.
n0ave
Profile Joined January 2011
180 Posts
August 18 2013 18:21 GMT
#6
Interesting, Egomancer was never a good player, even if he has 12k ladder games under his belt he still can't play properly.

Guess he realized that he will never be good at this game and he decided to cheat just to feel better, and not feel bad that he wasted thousands of hours playing and practicing sc2.

JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
August 18 2013 18:22 GMT
#7
On August 19 2013 03:20 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 03:05 JacobShock wrote:
Shame the audio in the video is so bad, watching it right now. It's hard to hear what he is saying. The evidence seems very damning though.

wow, the maphacker accuses the other guy of hacking, thats pretty hilarious.

Happened a few times to me. Would play vs a dude on ladder, very blatantly hacking, then when he loses "LOL reporting for hacking noob" or something similar.


I guess if you're the type who willingly cheats without a problem, you'd expect the rest of the world to be cheating too.
"Right on" - Morrow
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 18 2013 18:27 GMT
#8
Evidence seems strong that he's a hacker.
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
August 18 2013 18:33 GMT
#9
He is already permed on tl.
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SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
August 18 2013 18:39 GMT
#10
On August 19 2013 03:33 KadaverBB wrote:
He is already permed on tl.


Should the thread be closed then?
Or is the agenda here different since he's kind of a "public person" of the e-sports scene (even though I admittedly don't know anything about the guy).
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
August 18 2013 18:42 GMT
#11
Nah I'll close this because there isn't much else we can do.
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
August 18 2013 23:23 GMT
#12
Thread reopened, nevermind me.
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
August 18 2013 23:30 GMT
#13
first post after reopening? aww yeah

Mostly just bump though
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Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
August 18 2013 23:37 GMT
#14
I've heard plenty about him before so this isn't news, but I'll definitely check out the replays for myself. It's been a while since I've played him, I literally didn't realize he was the owner until a few months ago ><

Shouldn't really affect the team, though I doubt this will have a positive effect.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
August 18 2013 23:38 GMT
#15
Well that is quite a shame that someone like this has to cheat/hack/whatever the cool kids call it. Why can't we all just get along?
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
kckkryptonite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1126 Posts
August 18 2013 23:38 GMT
#16
Why is this a big deal, who is NRS and do they have an offline presence? You've got to imagine for every one maphacker blatant enough to get caught, there are a handful that aren't. Online presence = doesn't matter.
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Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
August 18 2013 23:41 GMT
#17
On August 19 2013 08:38 kckkryptonite wrote:
Why is this a big deal, who is NRS and do they have an offline presence? You've got to imagine for every one maphacker blatant enough to get caught, there are a handful that aren't. Online presence = doesn't matter.

Yes they do have an offline presence, Welmu being their biggest name.

I'm pretty sure Frozendruid would kick any player caught with maphacking but he can't do anything about the boss. He isn't a competitive player anyway so it's no big deal.
J_EU
Profile Joined January 2011
47 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 23:46:09
August 18 2013 23:45 GMT
#18
Catching one is better than catching none. I myselfe was active in looking at those replays, however i had no clue on who the person was. I dont follow the pro-scene that much to know whos manager etc, but i still feel like a part of the community as an active player.

Ive also been watching his streams lately, and tbh, i feel kinda bad for him. He might have been maphacking or similar in the past, but by watching his stream now, i would rather say he is trying to improve the way he should, though he looses a few times that might look, well ... belonging to a lower league (his rage is also clear on his stream, especially when he faces platinumplayers)

Know he cant reply to this thread since he is banned, but if he was maphacking before, it seems like he aint doing it now (according to what i see to his stream atleast).

All in all, maphacking or similar should not be taken lightly on, nomatter who they are, where they come from. Anyone should be playing on equal terms, nomatter what league or status, thats the best for everyone.
zaphixyo
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden8 Posts
August 18 2013 23:57 GMT
#19
One might ask why did he hack on his main account and risk his whole team and reputation? the answer to that is most likely that he wanted to impress his friends/teammates with a top master rank.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
August 18 2013 23:58 GMT
#20
On August 19 2013 08:45 J_EU wrote:
Ive also been watching his streams lately, and tbh, i feel kinda bad for him. He might have been maphacking or similar in the past, but by watching his stream now, i would rather say he is trying to improve the way he should, though he looses a few times that might look, well ... belonging to a lower league (his rage is also clear on his stream, especially when he faces platinumplayers)


I find this incredibly amusing that he feels so entitled to waste better player's time.

There's no way he can attempt to cheat again now that "the community" knows his history. I don't think this even warrants an apology if he's actually playing legitimately on a livestream. I think a cheap laugh from me is enough punishment.
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