Dreamhack Open Moscow in October 2014

On August 08 2013 00:06 arterian wrote:
I guess we can rule out Scarlett attending.

On August 08 2013 00:32 Mauldo wrote:


Quoted for truth. I'm not going to watch a tourney that takes place in a country where players are precluded by law in such a vile way.

I guess kudos on the planning it took, but Russia's been mulling the anti-LGBT "propaganda" law for a while now. You consciously decided to not give a shit when you planned the thing, so I consciously decided not to watch.

On August 08 2013 00:32 Mauldo wrote:


Quoted for truth. I'm not going to watch a tourney that takes place in a country where players are precluded by law in such a vile way.

I guess kudos on the planning it took, but Russia's been mulling the anti-LGBT "propaganda" law for a while now. You consciously decided to not give a shit when you planned the thing, so I consciously decided not to watch.

On August 08 2013 01:02 Iyerbeth wrote:
I'm not willing to just cross any line for esports, so I won't be watching unless they change that law by then. Got some time at least, hopefully this can just end up as a cool event for Russia.

On August 08 2013 01:05 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:

With what law you have problems?

On August 08 2013 01:07 Iyerbeth wrote:


The 'gay propaganda' one. Seems only fair that if I encourage the boycott of the 2014 Winter Olympics I should give this a miss too.

On August 08 2013 01:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:


Lol get real... the only organization you're hurting is DreamHack

On August 08 2013 01:09 Iyerbeth wrote:


Do I think Russia will care? Nope. Do I think businesses might reconsider doing business in Russia if people then don't use the service, maybe. They might care about that. Even if nothing changes, I care more about my principles than how much I might 'hurt esports'.

On August 08 2013 01:10 StarDustNA wrote:
serious question: can scarlett get in trouble if she attends?

On August 08 2013 01:12 MasterOfPuppets wrote:


Yeah fuck Russia! And fuck the poor SC2 fans who just wanted to have a big brand tournament like DreamHack run an open in their country! DreamHack shouldn't be doing business in a country where the corrupt government (that in no way, shape or form represents the opinion of the actual people) gets to pass bullshit laws!

really dude? really?

On August 08 2013 00:41 nihlon wrote:

That haven't stopped people from watching tournaments from other countries that have equally bad laws. Esports shouldn't become some political statement one way or another.

On August 08 2013 01:18 Iyerbeth wrote:


If it in no way represents the opinion on the people, which I hope is correct, it shouldn't be a problem repealing the law. And no, they shouldn't be doing business with them. It sucks for SC2 fans in Russia, but I think they can probably deal with not having a DreamHack easier than LGBT people can put up with the crap they're getting.

On August 08 2013 01:21 MasterOfPuppets wrote:


You're implying the people have any actual power over this, which they don't.

I see you're from the UK, so you're probably not familiar with how things work in good ol' ex-communist Eastern Europe.... How they work in PRACTICE, not in theory, that is.

On August 08 2013 01:23 Iyerbeth wrote:


That sounds like all the more reason to put pressure on the government by boycotting Russian events.

On August 08 2013 01:23 Iyerbeth wrote:


That sounds like all the more reason to put pressure on the government by boycotting Russian events.

On August 08 2013 01:13 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:

What this have to do with Scarlett?

On August 08 2013 01:45 Conti wrote:

Do people genuinely do not understand the connection here? I don't want to accuse others of trolling, but.. well, I don't know how to finish that sentence.

On August 08 2013 01:45 Conti wrote:

Do people genuinely do not understand the connection here? I don't want to accuse others of trolling, but.. well, I don't know how to finish that sentence.

On August 08 2013 01:49 lolfail9001 wrote:

Since when Scarlett agitates other people go homo? IIRC she never did, so this law has absolutely nothing to do with her. Seriously, i do not understand what this law has to do with Scarlett

On August 08 2013 01:36 MasterOfPuppets wrote:


Alright. I've tried to help you make an educated and informed decision. If you don't wish to, that's fine as well. But I guarantee that your perspective on this entire issue is far from realistic and won't get anything done.

On August 08 2013 01:58 Iyerbeth wrote:


Please don't pretend that your opinion is the only 'educated and informed' one. There are boycotts of vodka and attempts at boycotts or removal of the winter olympics because external pressure does work. Your position seems to be the Russian people don't like the law, but can't do anything about it and so we should just ignore it? If so, I disagree.

On August 08 2013 02:05 Pjorren wrote:

As far as I know Dreamhack aren't the ones enforcing the anti-gay law but whatever. If u think the russian government will care if people boycott DH I dont know what you think.

On August 08 2013 02:05 Pjorren wrote:

As far as I know Dreamhack aren't the ones enforcing the anti-gay law but whatever. If u think the russian government will care if people boycott DH I dont know what you think.

On August 08 2013 00:57 phipsL wrote:


what does that have to do with scarlett?

Putin is eerily repeating [Hitler's crimes/attitudes/blatant scapegoating with Jews], only this time against LGBT Russians. Beatings, murders and humiliations are ignored by the police. Any defence or sane discussion of homosexuality is against the law. Any statement, for example, that Tchaikovsky was gay and that his art and life reflects this sexuality and are an inspiration to other gay artists would be punishable by imprisonment. It is simply not enough to say that gay Olympians may or may not be safe in their village. The IOC absolutely must take a firm stance on behalf of the shared humanity it is supposed to represent against the barbaric, fascist law that Putin has pushed through the Duma. Let us not forget that Olympic events used not only to be athletic, they used to include cultural competitions. Let us realise that in fact, sport is cultural. It does not exist in a bubble outside society or politics. The idea that sport and politics don’t connect is worse than disingenuous, worse than stupid. It is wickedly, wilfully wrong. Everyone knows politics interconnects with everything for “politics” is simply the Greek for “to do with the people”.

On August 08 2013 01:10 StarDustNA wrote:
serious question: can scarlett get in trouble if she attends?

On August 08 2013 02:12 Mauldo wrote:

That is why Scarlett probably couldn't go to Dreamhack. She is an open transgender, and any open defense of her lifestyle is AGAINST THE LAW.

On August 08 2013 02:10 AlternativeEgo wrote:
This thread make me think and I should probably boycott MLG because of the USA government. I guess WCS AM is a nono too then. Wait Blizzard is an American company. Fuck.
DH Moscow sounds cool and I bet that the crowd will be loud and cheerful. Perhaps even top the Polish one. ^^

On August 08 2013 01:08 MasterOfPuppets wrote:


Lol get real... the only organization you're hurting is DreamHack

On August 08 2013 02:12 Mauldo wrote:


I'm just going to assume that's an honest question.

I'm linking directly to Stephen Fry's open letter concerning the Winter Olympics in Russia, and the anti-LGBT propaganda law: Found Here.

In it, he explains that we should not as a world community show Russia that we support them enough to hold something as world-defining as the Winter Olympic games in their country after they have shown such blatant disregard for the LGBT community. Such a vile, direct attack against a group of people should not be support by the IOC, or the world at large. As Stephen Fry says:



That is why Scarlett probably couldn't go to Dreamhack. She is an open transgender, and any open defense of her lifestyle is AGAINST THE LAW.

We shouldn't show support to any company that would hold their tournament in a location so hostile to one of our own. I don't know if Scarlett was even going to attend, but who cares. The simple fact is that even if she wanted to, she shouldn't in concern for HER LIFE.

I refuse to take part in anything that comes from such a blatant attempt to scapegoat, marginalize, and criminalize a community.

On August 08 2013 01:58 Iyerbeth wrote:


Please don't pretend that your opinion is the only 'educated and informed' one. There are boycotts of vodka and attempts at boycotts or removal of the winter olympics because external pressure does work. Your position seems to be the Russian people don't like the law, but can't do anything about it and so we should just ignore it? If so, I disagree.

On August 08 2013 02:34 Alexj wrote:
So why nobody suggested to boycott China? Oh, they don't have stupid oppresive laws? They tolerate LGBT and free speach? Ok then, nevermind!

On August 08 2013 02:30 MasterOfPuppets wrote:


I'm not pretending that my opinion is the only educated and informed one. But yours is most certainly a pipe-dream, and it contradicts the reality that both I and pretty much everyone I know throughout Eastern Europe (and Russia most of all) experience every day and have been experiencing for years.

And I'm not saying that we should ignore it. All I'm saying is that "boycotting" DreamHack Moscow in and of itself will produce literally no results of any description in the long run pertaining to this or any socio-political situation in Russia. What you're doing is like trying to cool down a massive ocean of molten lava by throwing a snowball at it. All you're doing is melting the snowball. If you want to boycott something, boycott the Olympics (if you think there's actually any power behind that) or something at least remotely significant.

But at the end of the day it's pointless to try to explain it to someone who has never lived in one of these countries and doesn't know how things actually work. I wish you good luck in your endeavours.

On August 08 2013 02:35 Conti wrote:

That's the nature of protest. People protest change more than existing conditions. Obviously China should be protested for various issues, too, but there are various reasons why protesting Russia's recent changes is more important.

On August 08 2013 02:40 Alexj wrote:
So let's boycott everything Russia for a year or so, and then it'll be ok?

Well DH Moscow is more than year away anyway. And let's be honest: year from now everyone will forget how hip it is to hate Russia for homophobia

On August 08 2013 02:34 Alexj wrote:
So why nobody suggested to boycott China? Oh, they don't have stupid oppresive laws? They tolerate LGBT and free speach? Ok then, nevermind!

On August 08 2013 02:45 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
By placing the tournament in Russia, they effectively blocked several top players and high-level people in esports from participating. I'm afraid I can't tune in to this.

On August 08 2013 02:34 Alexj wrote:
So why nobody suggested to boycott China? Oh, they don't have stupid oppresive laws? They tolerate LGBT and free speach? Ok then, nevermind!

On August 08 2013 03:01 sekritzzz wrote:
Why didn't anybody boycott the international or WCS because America is snooping on everyone/putting people in jail without trial.


People need to grow up. These anti-gay / pro- gay people are so annoying. They remind me of Jehovah witnesses. Everything's turned into an anti/pro gay issue.

On August 08 2013 03:14 cutler wrote:
Yeah Dreamhack in Moscow. Cool Idea! Russia needs more Events like this.

Get your politics out of esports!

On August 08 2013 03:06 Rhaegal wrote:



Haha, love this,.America is one of the most corrupt nations in the developed world, with a President committing war crimes in the Middle East, arresting his own citizens without a trial, and committing massive violations of The Constitution,

Don't be hypocrites now.

On August 08 2013 03:23 MichaelDonovan wrote:

Lol you have to be arrested and held first before they can even get a trial started. You think criminals will just walk in to a court room randomly and the judge will say "GOTCHA! SIT DOWN MOTHA FUCKA. YO ASS IS GOIN TO JAIL!" hahahaha

On August 08 2013 03:24 Rhaegal wrote:



Sorry. Meant detained.

On August 08 2013 03:25 MichaelDonovan wrote:

Yes you get arrested, then detained while you wait for your trial unless somebody posts bail. Trial comes after that.

On August 08 2013 02:18 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:


Yes, I know this law and non friendly atmosphere for gays etc. in russia.

But what I didn't know was that Scarlett is transgender...I doubt many even knows.

On August 08 2013 03:27 Draconicfire wrote:
Don't most eSports countries need a visa to play in Russia?

On August 08 2013 03:29 Rhaegal wrote:



That's the point...

there is no trial.

They can be detained indefinitely if deemed a "terrorist threat". Obama signed off on it a couple years ago, how do you not know these things about your ruler?

On August 08 2013 03:23 MichaelDonovan wrote:

Lol you have to be arrested and held first before they can even get a trial started. You think criminals will just walk in to a court room randomly and the judge will say "GOTCHA! SIT DOWN MOTHA FUCKA. YO ASS IS GOIN TO JAIL!" hahahaha

On August 08 2013 03:33 sekritzzz wrote:

You dont exactly have to be convicted to have your life ruined. Just ask dominque Strauss Kahn, head of the IMF and about 80% of the innocent people at Guantanamo who have spent almost a decade in jail fr being in the wrong county at the wrong time.

On August 08 2013 03:05 1Dhalism wrote:

Because Scarlett, for example, went to China just fine.
But, if we judge by Sochi example, she is apparently to be arrested if she goes to Russia.

On August 08 2013 04:16 Mina wrote:


Yeah because 'propaganda' is clearly what is making people queer.

This makes me sad. Having Dreamhack in a country without basic human rights makes me sad.

On August 08 2013 02:13 TheGoldenWitch wrote:
No she can't. Being a gay or transgender ain't forbidden, propaganda is. We're just trying to protect our children. They should choose their fate for themselves when they grow up.

On August 08 2013 05:22 FabledIntegral wrote:


PROTECT THE CHILDREN FROM THE GAYS AND TRANSGENDERS! PROTECT THEM FROM BEING EXPOSED TO THE EVIL!!!

Because we all know children need protection from the existence of homosexuals, lest they become exposed to the contagious gay gene and contract homosexuality themselves.

On August 08 2013 05:44 theking1 wrote:
I always wondered why tournament organizers would go to those dictatorial countries like saudi arabia,russia etc for some easy money when in europe there are countries like UK,Italy,Switzerland and recently even France who have big gaming communities and no big offline events.Dremhack would have had a huge succes in France for example.Also the fact there are no major lans in Canada although the country is a leader in na esports baffels me.
And lets not forget about Australia.Oh well..

On August 08 2013 03:01 sekritzzz wrote:
Why didn't anybody boycott the international or WCS because America is snooping on everyone/putting people in jail without trial.


People need to grow up. These anti-gay / pro- gay people are so annoying. They remind me of Jehovah witnesses. Everything's turned into an anti/pro gay issue.

On August 08 2013 06:25 Holdenintherye wrote:

I imagine it's because it's cheaper to run a show in Russia than in France. Don't forget it costs big bucks to run a LAN like DH.

On August 08 2013 00:32 Mauldo wrote:


Quoted for truth. I'm not going to watch a tourney that takes place in a country where players are precluded by law in such a vile way.

I guess kudos on the planning it took, but Russia's been mulling the anti-LGBT "propaganda" law for a while now. You consciously decided to not give a shit when you planned the thing, so I consciously decided not to watch.