On August 04 2013 12:50 TAMinator wrote:
best? definetely not. Top 5? Stretching it. Top 10? Probably. IdrA has room for improvement but has done very well.

Definitely Top 5. They made Harstem vs Dayshi and G3 of Lucifron vs Goswser entertaining. That takes some talent.

Noghori

United States17 Posts

August 04 2013 03:58 GMT

#42

I agree! I love Idra's random rage and his almost demeaning attitude towards other players with the positive balance from Khaldor coming in. I'd really like to see them at more tournaments.

.Aar

2177 Posts

August 04 2013 04:00 GMT

#43

Oh man, as someone who quit paying attention to SC2 entirely about when IdrA got dropped from EG after severely waning interest this thread was a godsend.

Definitely going to start watching again.

Bagration

United States18282 Posts

August 04 2013 04:04 GMT

#44

They're good, but being the best is subjective. Hell, even deciding whether a caster is good or bad is subjective, but I think most people are generally pretty happy with this casting pair.

It'd be great to see Idra cast WCS AM. They could use a few more good casters there

phodacbiet

United States1740 Posts

August 04 2013 04:05 GMT

#45

On August 04 2013 12:13 HuKPOWA wrote:
I would be 100% fine with this casting Duo if they stopped calling Nexus' "Planetary Nexus, and every 2 base pressure cheese...

That is all...oh and idra's rage towards protoss lol

Once those are fixd i think they'd be a pretty fine duo :D

But that's what its called O_O. That and the Death Star.

jnsjr

United States461 Posts

August 04 2013 04:08 GMT

#46

They did a great job. Thanks Asus for bringing them out. I hope to see more of them ASAP!

Picklebread

808 Posts

August 04 2013 04:14 GMT

#47

are there vods?

heartlxp

United States1258 Posts

August 04 2013 04:16 GMT

#48

On August 04 2013 13:14 Picklebread wrote:
are there vods?

yeah, there's an entire repository on reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/SpoilerFreeSC

asus rog is the top thread atm

TeslasPigeon

464 Posts

August 04 2013 04:23 GMT

#49

meh, I disagree. I don't really care for Idra's voice and he tends to call games which ruins the experience as a viewer. Khaldor also has the tendency to completely ignore what his caster is saying and just speaks his mind (often repeating what his co-caster has said). He hasn't done that much with Idra but he does do it with Wolf constantly.

Idra still needs to improve a lot. Casting isn't just about game knowledge, voice matters a lot and his isn't pleasant to listen to for extended hours.

Picklebread

808 Posts

August 04 2013 04:24 GMT

#50

On August 04 2013 13:16 heartlxp wrote:

Show nested quote +

yeah, there's an entire repository on reddit:

http://www.reddit.com/r/SpoilerFreeSC

asus rog is the top thread atm

Thanks brah

Black Gun

Germany4482 Posts

August 04 2013 04:25 GMT

#51

they are an excellent casting duo and considering this has been their first cast together (and one of the first in general for idra), there is realistic hope for a vast improvement in the future. they could one day rival tastosis for best casting archon. but they are not there yet imho.

one potential issue i see with Khildror (!

) is if they can function together on a daily basis. idra's casting adds a huge portion of dry humor and ... lets call it "soberness" to the casting. for high-profile games or on an occassional basis, i really like that. but Im not sure if i would enjoy such a casting style when Im heavily exposed to it.

tastosis' more casual style and meaningless banter about random, nerdy things is more easily made working in high doses than the more professional, sober style of Khildror.

anyway, i enjoyed their casting of rog immensely. keep it up!

Gr33n

Bahamas113 Posts

August 04 2013 04:26 GMT

#52

On August 04 2013 13:23 TeslasPigeon wrote:
meh, I disagree. I don't really care for Idra's voice and he tends to call games which ruins the experience as a viewer. Khaldor also has the tendency to completely ignore what his caster is saying and just speaks his mind (often repeating what his co-caster has said). He hasn't done that much with Idra but he does do it with Wolf constantly.

Idra still needs to improve a lot. Casting isn't just about game knowledge, voice matters a lot and his isn't pleasant to listen to for extended hours.

yes but doing something with someone else does not make you do it with this new person (not a relationship ref)

idra is calm and willing to let the other caster speak and khaldor is willing to defer to idras expertise. wolf isnt an expert and its possible khaldor doesnt respect his analysis as much as idra

SHOOG

United States1639 Posts

August 04 2013 04:27 GMT

#53

I liked their casting a lot. They really complemented each others styles quite well.
I hope to see them work together more often. They definitely seem to be one of the better casting duos.

DeathProfessor

United States1052 Posts

August 04 2013 04:30 GMT

#54

Idra is now best American caster, Day9 is still a better representative for the community though, however he lost his edge IMO with his game knowledge and has too many weird quirks like the constant orgasmic whoooooahs, and UH OH UH OH UH OH.

IPA

United States3206 Posts

August 04 2013 04:30 GMT

#55

Idra is amazing. One of the most intelligent and analytical casters we have. He is my favorite caster, bar none, and I'm not a fan of him as a player. We need more casters like him and less that like to tell horrendous jokes or feel the need to hype when hype isn't necessary.

Blisse

Canada3710 Posts

August 04 2013 04:31 GMT

#56

My love for Idra's casting really comes from how no nonsense he talks about the game. A lot of casters love supplementing their casting by looking at the resources lost, the production tab and all those fancy statistics because they don't have the game knowledge to make good predictions and generally don't have a complete understanding of exactly who's ahead, who's behind, and what the player is doing.

But then you have Idra (and Apollo/Artosis) who impart game knowledge without the statistics. This has some nice synergy (at least for now) while Idra talks about how the game is turning out and Khaldor keeps us up to date on what's going on (and gives the energy), but there's still a little bit of hesitation where I feel Idra's casting might be a bit too analytic and the analytic style overpowers a partner who isn't as analytic as he is. I'm sure though that Greg is trying his best to improve as a caster, and you can't really blame him since it's his first casting job. It'll be great to follow him as he casts more.

Not quite the best yet but it's a noticeable improvement over casters who don't play the game at a high level.

I also really enjoy how when one player has completely lost and hasn't gg'd yet, Idra is a bit confused as to whether he should continue casting and just goes "yeah he's basically dead." I'm not sure what's the best thing to say in that situation either, but it's funny to watch.

Vindicare605

United States16121 Posts

August 04 2013 04:32 GMT

#57

I wasn't a huge fan of the duo to be honest.

Idra I think needs to get more comfortable with the ebb and flow of a game I felt like he stumbled over himself a lot which I think is something he'll get better at as he does more gigs like this. On the plus side though, his analysis of builds and timings was very sharp.

I felt Khaldor at times could also be a little dominating in the casts mostly because he could so easily talk over Idra. A few times I heard him cut Greg off mid sentence while he was analyzing something which is something he tends to do with Wolf except Wolf just keeps talking anyway I guess because he's comfortable with the interjections. That kind of thing gets fixed through increased experience with your co-caster.

I wouldn't even be commenting at all if they weren't receiving such an unusual amount of praise both here and on Reddit. I just don't see it warranted but that's just me. They weren't bad but they didn't strike me as the holy grail of casting duos either.

Spec

Taiwan931 Posts

August 04 2013 04:33 GMT

#58

IdrA and Khaldor are definitely two of the sexiest men alive.

tshi

United States2495 Posts

August 04 2013 04:36 GMT

#59

On August 04 2013 13:30 DeathProfessor wrote:
Idra is now best American caster, Day9 is still a better representative for the community though, however he lost his edge IMO with his game knowledge and has too many weird quirks like the constant orgasmic whoooooahs, and UH OH UH OH UH OH.

Thank you for deciding for everyone

ETisME

12698 Posts

August 04 2013 04:39 GMT

#60

They overtalked each other a little bit but the analysis from Idra is definitly really good. Khaldor is amazing as usual but IdrA addition just gives the game a bit more professional addition which sometimes even casters don't understand.
His little jokes are dry and funny as well, something along the line like "toss is on two base but if you look at it, he has all the high value units that it needs, it's quite silly" and then you see the toss has like 4 colossus and double stargate production on 2 base and just makes you agree with him.