EPTOn August 01 2013 08:40 Moochlol wrote:
WCS claims another victim, GG blizzard, you are killing us.
WCS claims another victim, GG blizzard, you are killing us.
Can we stop jumping the gun and let the man himself explain his reasoning first?
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WombaT
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Can we stop jumping the gun and let the man himself explain his reasoning first? | ||
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Chairman Ray
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MauiMallard
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:31 krazykoz wrote: I was basing it off of the linked tweet, figuring the one he replied to was the first reply to him. No hate for you  I don't think it is any one person specifically, nor do I think it is the only reason or even the largest reason behind his decision. I'm guessing it is a combo of his results and where he thinks he could improve to. I know he has been putting a lot of effort in lately, so it is sad to see him choose this now, but perhaps he thought he plateaued. Having haters on top of all that definitely does not help. If you want another look at the whole internet hate thing, Penny Arcade did a good article on it recently: http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/swimming-in-a-sea-of-shit-the-internets-war-against-creatives You can replace "creatives" with "progamers" and its about the same thing. The modern internet sucks and slowly wears at people like a stone in the river. I don't blame people for bagging out and moving on. Its little pay, a hard fought battle for with a lot of room for failure and a ton of hate from a bitch community. Good luck out there guy. | ||
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Obeast96
United States106 Posts
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Nathanias
United States290 Posts
Maybe Totalbiscuit will win the lottery one day... a man can dream I suppose. | ||
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Moochlol
United States456 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:43 Wombat_NI wrote: Can we stop jumping the gun and let the man himself explain his reasoning first? How am I jumping the gun, the man himself said he is done. If you don't think the format of WCS is toxic to the NA scene you are is denial. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6566 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3711 Posts
Literally the only foreign terran I remotely cared about, that really does suck a lot. Sad day for starcraft. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:48 Moochlol wrote: How am I jumping the gun, the man himself said he is done. If you don't think the format of WCS is toxic to the NA scene you are is denial. Can we just be sad the guy quit SC2 and talk about all the awesome shit he did, rather than this becoming another Blizzard hate train? Seriously, we get it, but it doesn't mean every thread needs to be about it. | ||
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:46 ROOTNathanias wrote: Foreign scene loses one of the hardest-working players who spent over a year as a completely unknown player clawing for an opportunity because even with his dedication he couldn't afford to be a progamer. The scene is only going to become less and less sustainable for players like Theognis and Fuzer (two players that played WAY more than the average foreigner). Maybe Totalbiscuit will win the lottery one day... a man can dream I suppose. i agree that theognis rised from the ashes, and was looking like he could become the next best thing but fuzer? i don't know maybe he was dedicated but he didn't seem to work hard enough no results were shown in my opinion. and he said on fb that he didn't really have the motivation to practice. on topic: It's really sad to see him go, and unexpected, i wish him the best of luck in the future! enjoyed him a lot on meta | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:48 Moochlol wrote: How am I jumping the gun, the man himself said he is done. If you don't think the format of WCS is toxic to the NA scene you are is denial. What was there before WCS? Why does EU have truckloads of daily/weekly tournament and NA almost none? The root of the problem is not with the big tournaments only the big guns can win, but with small tournament people can make a name, some small money and reputation from. | ||
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Moochlol
United States456 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:50 Plansix wrote: Can we just be sad the guy quit SC2 and talk about all the awesome shit he did, rather than this becoming another Blizzard hate train? Seriously, we get it, but it doesn't mean every thread needs to be about it. Why be sad, Theo has to do whats best for him, if he feels this is the best we should be happy, not sad. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:45 Plansix wrote: If you want another look at the whole internet hate thing, Penny Arcade did a good article on it recently: http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/swimming-in-a-sea-of-shit-the-internets-war-against-creatives You can replace "creatives" with "progamers" and its about the same thing. The modern internet sucks and slowly wears at people like a stone in the river. 100% agreed. I was trying to do some musical stuff, and got pretty good feedback from my nearest and dearest. I went on the internet, sticking up stuff in which I would clearly label it, you know stuff I'd done guitars/bass tracking for, vocals and programmed the rest, and mixed it myself. I would entitle it (slightly exaggerating) 'Some formative unfinished ideas that I have mixed badly because I can only be proficient in quite so many areas, that I'd like to share'. Replies such as 'This sucks, it doesn't sound like the stuff on the radio' and 'Learn to mix faggot' are REALLY fucking wearing when you go out of your way to point out in the fucking UPLOAD INFO that it's very much a work in progress. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:53 grs wrote: What was there before WCS? Why does EU have truckloads of daily/weekly tournament and NA almost none? The root of the problem is not with the big tournaments only the big guns can win, but with small tournament people can make a name, some small money and reputation from. Why do you think Dota 2 is doing to well? It has SO many events and things to watch all across EU. All of them are online, but no one gives a shit. But the instant we tried that here, its would "GSL is better". | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:48 Moochlol wrote: How am I jumping the gun, the man himself said he is done. If you don't think the format of WCS is toxic to the NA scene you are is denial. 'I'm not playing Starcraft anymore' does not equal 'I am not playing Starcraft because WCS NA' unless the guy actually lays out that as a contributory factor. I was being facetious earlier, but I repeat myself, he could be wanting to make it on Broadway for all we know. Let people speak for themselves man. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:46 ROOTNathanias wrote: Foreign scene loses one of the hardest-working players who spent over a year as a completely unknown player clawing for an opportunity because even with his dedication he couldn't afford to be a progamer. The scene is only going to become less and less sustainable for players like Theognis and Fuzer (two players that played WAY more than the average foreigner). Maybe Totalbiscuit will win the lottery one day... a man can dream I suppose. With one less Foreign Pro the Foreign Scene diminishes that little bit more. GL in the future, Theo! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:54 Wombat_NI wrote: 100% agreed. I was trying to do some musical stuff, and got pretty good feedback from my nearest and dearest. I went on the internet, sticking up stuff in which I would clearly label it, you know stuff I'd done guitars/bass tracking for, vocals and programmed the rest, and mixed it myself. I would entitle it (slightly exaggerating) 'Some formative unfinished ideas that I have mixed badly because I can only be proficient in quite so many areas, that I'd like to share'. Replies such as 'This sucks, it doesn't sound like the stuff on the radio' and 'Learn to mix faggot' are REALLY fucking wearing when you go out of your way to point out in the fucking UPLOAD INFO that it's very much a work in progress. I don't even expose TL to my girlfriend's youtube page for her drumming, because I know what would happen. I don't even look at the comments any more because I want to hunt people down afterwords. The internet is a terrible place for anyone trying create anything. | ||
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krazykoz
United States58 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:45 Plansix wrote: If you want another look at the whole internet hate thing, Penny Arcade did a good article on it recently: http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/swimming-in-a-sea-of-shit-the-internets-war-against-creatives You can replace "creatives" with "progamers" and its about the same thing. The modern internet sucks and slowly wears at people like a stone in the river. I don't blame people for bagging out and moving on. Its little pay, a hard fought battle for with a lot of room for failure and a ton of hate from a bitch community. Good luck out there guy. Pretty much what I was getting at. Polygon also had a good opinion piece on the subject too: http://www.polygon.com/2013/7/29/4567270/opinion-someone-hates-you-on-the-internet There is very little reward and a deluge of anonymous haters who only know of your existence because you are putting yourself out in the public light. Hollywood actors can struggle with this, so I can't imagine how hard it can be on gamers or those lesser known yet still experiencing the same levels of hate from entitled children on the internet. | ||
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