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On August 01 2013 08:56 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:48 Moochlol wrote:On August 01 2013 08:43 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 08:40 Moochlol wrote:
WCS claims another victim, GG blizzard, you are killing us. Can we stop jumping the gun and let the man himself explain his reasoning first? How am I jumping the gun, the man himself said he is done. If you don't think the format of WCS is toxic to the NA scene you are is denial. 'I'm not playing Starcraft anymore' does not equal 'I am not playing Starcraft because WCS NA' unless the guy actually lays out that as a contributory factor. I was being facetious earlier, but I repeat myself, he could be wanting to make it on Broadway for all we know. Let people speak for themselves man.
Your right, we don't know, but given the current scene, its hard for me to imagine WCS not playing any role. He said he made up his mind b4 the matches were even played, but that doesn't mean he wasn't sour about the whole ordeal to begin with. I made a sensationalist post, but it comes from the heart. I was jumping the gun a bit >< lol
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Northern Ireland25749 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:54 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 08:45 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 08:31 krazykoz wrote:On August 01 2013 08:18 -Kyo- wrote:
I think I replied first... so second reply.. don't hate me D: !
I doubt he is quitting because of that person or any other hater. It's troubling as a player but I don't think that's what drives most people to their choice. I'm sure he put a lot more thought into it than that. It's up to him if he wants to say anything more or not, though. I was basing it off of the linked tweet, figuring the one he replied to was the first reply to him. No hate for you  I don't think it is any one person specifically, nor do I think it is the only reason or even the largest reason behind his decision. I'm guessing it is a combo of his results and where he thinks he could improve to. I know he has been putting a lot of effort in lately, so it is sad to see him choose this now, but perhaps he thought he plateaued. Having haters on top of all that definitely does not help. If you want another look at the whole internet hate thing, Penny Arcade did a good article on it recently: http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/swimming-in-a-sea-of-shit-the-internets-war-against-creativesYou can replace "creatives" with "progamers" and its about the same thing. The modern internet sucks and slowly wears at people like a stone in the river. 100% agreed. I was trying to do some musical stuff, and got pretty good feedback from my nearest and dearest. I went on the internet, sticking up stuff in which I would clearly label it, you know stuff I'd done guitars/bass tracking for, vocals and programmed the rest, and mixed it myself. I would entitle it (slightly exaggerating) 'Some formative unfinished ideas that I have mixed badly because I can only be proficient in quite so many areas, that I'd like to share'. Replies such as 'This sucks, it doesn't sound like the stuff on the radio' and 'Learn to mix faggot' are REALLY fucking wearing when you go out of your way to point out in the fucking UPLOAD INFO that it's very much a work in progress. I don't even expose TL to my girlfriend's youtube page for her drumming, because I know what would happen. I don't even look at the comments any more because I want to hunt people down afterwords. The internet is a terrible place for anyone trying create anything.
It's pretty sad really. For this reason I go out of my way to give positive crit on stuff I actually enjoy, although if I hadn't gone through the process myself I'm not so sure I would do so.
Positive/agreeable people stay silent and just assume that you are somewhere aware of their approval, and people with nothing better to do tear you to shreds.
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WTF theo... Well I wish you the best of luck man, I hope you play some broodwar again, you were always Gosu in broodwar, GL theognis!! You are awesome player and awesome person.
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On August 01 2013 09:00 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:57 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 08:54 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 08:45 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 08:31 krazykoz wrote:On August 01 2013 08:18 -Kyo- wrote:
I think I replied first... so second reply.. don't hate me D: !
I doubt he is quitting because of that person or any other hater. It's troubling as a player but I don't think that's what drives most people to their choice. I'm sure he put a lot more thought into it than that. It's up to him if he wants to say anything more or not, though. I was basing it off of the linked tweet, figuring the one he replied to was the first reply to him. No hate for you I don't think it is any one person specifically, nor do I think it is the only reason or even the largest reason behind his decision. I'm guessing it is a combo of his results and where he thinks he could improve to. I know he has been putting a lot of effort in lately, so it is sad to see him choose this now, but perhaps he thought he plateaued. Having haters on top of all that definitely does not help. If you want another look at the whole internet hate thing, Penny Arcade did a good article on it recently: http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/swimming-in-a-sea-of-shit-the-internets-war-against-creativesYou can replace "creatives" with "progamers" and its about the same thing. The modern internet sucks and slowly wears at people like a stone in the river. 100% agreed. I was trying to do some musical stuff, and got pretty good feedback from my nearest and dearest. I went on the internet, sticking up stuff in which I would clearly label it, you know stuff I'd done guitars/bass tracking for, vocals and programmed the rest, and mixed it myself. I would entitle it (slightly exaggerating) 'Some formative unfinished ideas that I have mixed badly because I can only be proficient in quite so many areas, that I'd like to share'. Replies such as 'This sucks, it doesn't sound like the stuff on the radio' and 'Learn to mix faggot' are REALLY fucking wearing when you go out of your way to point out in the fucking UPLOAD INFO that it's very much a work in progress. I don't even expose TL to my girlfriend's youtube page for her drumming, because I know what would happen. I don't even look at the comments any more because I want to hunt people down afterwords. The internet is a terrible place for anyone trying create anything. It's pretty sad really. For this reason I go out of my way to give positive crit on stuff I actually enjoy, although if I hadn't gone through the process myself I'm not so sure I would do so. Positive/agreeable people stay silent and just assume that you are somewhere aware of their approval, and people with nothing better to do tear you to shreds.
Really, Tasteless and Artosis have said it best when they say they don't even visit TL or look at community sites any more. I cant blame them. I think it is harming everyone, from players to event runners, trying to please the masses of the internet that only want to tear you down. I kinda long for the day when they ignore us and do whatever they want(like Valve).
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On August 01 2013 09:00 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:57 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 08:54 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 08:45 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 08:31 krazykoz wrote:On August 01 2013 08:18 -Kyo- wrote:
I think I replied first... so second reply.. don't hate me D: !
I doubt he is quitting because of that person or any other hater. It's troubling as a player but I don't think that's what drives most people to their choice. I'm sure he put a lot more thought into it than that. It's up to him if he wants to say anything more or not, though. I was basing it off of the linked tweet, figuring the one he replied to was the first reply to him. No hate for you I don't think it is any one person specifically, nor do I think it is the only reason or even the largest reason behind his decision. I'm guessing it is a combo of his results and where he thinks he could improve to. I know he has been putting a lot of effort in lately, so it is sad to see him choose this now, but perhaps he thought he plateaued. Having haters on top of all that definitely does not help. If you want another look at the whole internet hate thing, Penny Arcade did a good article on it recently: http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/swimming-in-a-sea-of-shit-the-internets-war-against-creativesYou can replace "creatives" with "progamers" and its about the same thing. The modern internet sucks and slowly wears at people like a stone in the river. 100% agreed. I was trying to do some musical stuff, and got pretty good feedback from my nearest and dearest. I went on the internet, sticking up stuff in which I would clearly label it, you know stuff I'd done guitars/bass tracking for, vocals and programmed the rest, and mixed it myself. I would entitle it (slightly exaggerating) 'Some formative unfinished ideas that I have mixed badly because I can only be proficient in quite so many areas, that I'd like to share'. Replies such as 'This sucks, it doesn't sound like the stuff on the radio' and 'Learn to mix faggot' are REALLY fucking wearing when you go out of your way to point out in the fucking UPLOAD INFO that it's very much a work in progress. I don't even expose TL to my girlfriend's youtube page for her drumming, because I know what would happen. I don't even look at the comments any more because I want to hunt people down afterwords. The internet is a terrible place for anyone trying create anything. It's pretty sad really. For this reason I go out of my way to give positive crit on stuff I actually enjoy, although if I hadn't gone through the process myself I'm not so sure I would do so. Positive/agreeable people stay silent and just assume that you are somewhere aware of their approval, and people with nothing better to do tear you to shreds.
Because it's just so damn easy. And anon. The internet is every bit as evil as it is good, maybe if everyone was responsible for what they said, the internet would be a better place. Lets go NSA? lol
On a side note Unflitered hit on a lot of these points yesterday, it was a really interesting show.
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Northern Ireland25749 Posts
On August 01 2013 09:03 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 09:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 08:57 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 08:54 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 08:45 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 08:31 krazykoz wrote:On August 01 2013 08:18 -Kyo- wrote:
I think I replied first... so second reply.. don't hate me D: !
I doubt he is quitting because of that person or any other hater. It's troubling as a player but I don't think that's what drives most people to their choice. I'm sure he put a lot more thought into it than that. It's up to him if he wants to say anything more or not, though. I was basing it off of the linked tweet, figuring the one he replied to was the first reply to him. No hate for you I don't think it is any one person specifically, nor do I think it is the only reason or even the largest reason behind his decision. I'm guessing it is a combo of his results and where he thinks he could improve to. I know he has been putting a lot of effort in lately, so it is sad to see him choose this now, but perhaps he thought he plateaued. Having haters on top of all that definitely does not help. If you want another look at the whole internet hate thing, Penny Arcade did a good article on it recently: http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/swimming-in-a-sea-of-shit-the-internets-war-against-creativesYou can replace "creatives" with "progamers" and its about the same thing. The modern internet sucks and slowly wears at people like a stone in the river. 100% agreed. I was trying to do some musical stuff, and got pretty good feedback from my nearest and dearest. I went on the internet, sticking up stuff in which I would clearly label it, you know stuff I'd done guitars/bass tracking for, vocals and programmed the rest, and mixed it myself. I would entitle it (slightly exaggerating) 'Some formative unfinished ideas that I have mixed badly because I can only be proficient in quite so many areas, that I'd like to share'. Replies such as 'This sucks, it doesn't sound like the stuff on the radio' and 'Learn to mix faggot' are REALLY fucking wearing when you go out of your way to point out in the fucking UPLOAD INFO that it's very much a work in progress. I don't even expose TL to my girlfriend's youtube page for her drumming, because I know what would happen. I don't even look at the comments any more because I want to hunt people down afterwords. The internet is a terrible place for anyone trying create anything. It's pretty sad really. For this reason I go out of my way to give positive crit on stuff I actually enjoy, although if I hadn't gone through the process myself I'm not so sure I would do so. Positive/agreeable people stay silent and just assume that you are somewhere aware of their approval, and people with nothing better to do tear you to shreds. Really, Tasteless and Artosis have said it best when they say they don't even visit TL or look at community sites any more. I cant blame them. I think it is harming everyone, from players to event runners, trying to please the masses of the internet that only want to tear you down. I kinda long for the day when they ignore us and do whatever they want(like Valve).
It's a real shame in a way. If people weren't cunts, the likes of Twitch chat would actually be a unique source of bonding between the pros we admire and the people who follow them.
If I have to hear another 'it's the internet, deal with it' justification of cuntish behaviour that ruins potential avenues of interaction and discussion for everybody else with a modicum of decency and restraint I may go to my nearest mountain and scream from its peak.
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Not a huge surprise given his recent results. It looked like he was starting to climb out of anonymity for a little bit but then he fell back down. Best of luck!
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based fucking theo, i will truly miss you. i.... i need some time to think about this.
please keep using your twitter tho~
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I was listening to "The Game Station" (its current name escapes me) Podcast and hearing Dodger and TB and Jesse talk about all of their true feelings about internet comments was pretty heartbreaking. They keep being told that its just random internet assholery, they should just accept the criticisms, but they can't help feeling down after awhile, the comments can't help but be taken to heart because YOU are the product.
Someone can rant about WCS and because its this abstract ...thing its okay it can't be hurt. People going on Twitter to send angry comments about a individual is really hard to take.
Now we are beginning to possibly see the flood of people out of gaming or at least the internet culture? I gotta say It effected me personally, don't want to admit who I was but I used to be very vocal on Twitter but the pain just got to me too much of the debating and reading all the bullshit and so I retired from the internet as a thing, I got my taste of eFame and it burned me.
I can't see many casters staying in it for very much longer, having HuK call your casting bad, being called out publically, I could see Robin and Kibbelz retire.
Anyway I really feel for Theognis here and think he's really headed for a better place, the internet is a cruel bitch.
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Very bright young man now. I wish you glhf in life.
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Wow, that feels sudden. Good luck to him in his future endeavors!
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On August 01 2013 07:52 Bayyne wrote:What's going on? It seems like everyday a thread pops up announcing the retirement of someone. 
There is no real sustainability in Sc2 right now due to extremely high competition, very low prize money, no regional locks and little scene developement. Sc2 isn't exactly a viable career choice right now for anyone but the top players or best personalities and there is little to no growth happening to foster sc2 as a viable choice.
It's the nature of the beast, the game requires way to much effort for very little reward.
The Sc2 scene right now outside of the top is essentially like trying to make a living playing golf against tiger woods, it's skill you need to compete is just insane right now.
Not to mention people who do try in the NA scene get laughed at because of how underdeveloped our competitive gaming culture is.
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WTF I always checked out his stream and learned a lot from watching him TT
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I am an idiot.
User was banned for this post.
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On August 01 2013 09:06 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 09:03 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 09:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 08:57 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 08:54 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 08:45 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 08:31 krazykoz wrote:On August 01 2013 08:18 -Kyo- wrote:
I think I replied first... so second reply.. don't hate me D: !
I doubt he is quitting because of that person or any other hater. It's troubling as a player but I don't think that's what drives most people to their choice. I'm sure he put a lot more thought into it than that. It's up to him if he wants to say anything more or not, though. I was basing it off of the linked tweet, figuring the one he replied to was the first reply to him. No hate for you I don't think it is any one person specifically, nor do I think it is the only reason or even the largest reason behind his decision. I'm guessing it is a combo of his results and where he thinks he could improve to. I know he has been putting a lot of effort in lately, so it is sad to see him choose this now, but perhaps he thought he plateaued. Having haters on top of all that definitely does not help. If you want another look at the whole internet hate thing, Penny Arcade did a good article on it recently: http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/swimming-in-a-sea-of-shit-the-internets-war-against-creativesYou can replace "creatives" with "progamers" and its about the same thing. The modern internet sucks and slowly wears at people like a stone in the river. 100% agreed. I was trying to do some musical stuff, and got pretty good feedback from my nearest and dearest. I went on the internet, sticking up stuff in which I would clearly label it, you know stuff I'd done guitars/bass tracking for, vocals and programmed the rest, and mixed it myself. I would entitle it (slightly exaggerating) 'Some formative unfinished ideas that I have mixed badly because I can only be proficient in quite so many areas, that I'd like to share'. Replies such as 'This sucks, it doesn't sound like the stuff on the radio' and 'Learn to mix faggot' are REALLY fucking wearing when you go out of your way to point out in the fucking UPLOAD INFO that it's very much a work in progress. I don't even expose TL to my girlfriend's youtube page for her drumming, because I know what would happen. I don't even look at the comments any more because I want to hunt people down afterwords. The internet is a terrible place for anyone trying create anything. It's pretty sad really. For this reason I go out of my way to give positive crit on stuff I actually enjoy, although if I hadn't gone through the process myself I'm not so sure I would do so. Positive/agreeable people stay silent and just assume that you are somewhere aware of their approval, and people with nothing better to do tear you to shreds. Really, Tasteless and Artosis have said it best when they say they don't even visit TL or look at community sites any more. I cant blame them. I think it is harming everyone, from players to event runners, trying to please the masses of the internet that only want to tear you down. I kinda long for the day when they ignore us and do whatever they want(like Valve). It's a real shame in a way. If people weren't cunts, the likes of Twitch chat would actually be a unique source of bonding between the pros we admire and the people who follow them. If I have to hear another 'it's the internet, deal with it' justification of cuntish behaviour that ruins potential avenues of interaction and discussion for everybody else with a modicum of decency and restraint I may go to my nearest mountain and scream from its peak.
The internet has literally been like this since it started I don't know what people expect, the price of fame is being in the public eye and when you are "internet famous" that public has an anonymous voice. It's not going to change.
I post youtube videos and never go back to them again because I realize that it's just going to be a shitfest no matter what my content is.
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well he seems to be content with his decision, i'm sure it's a well thought out one.
best of luck in your future endeavours, i wish you all the success you're hoping for!
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Northern Ireland25749 Posts
On August 01 2013 09:29 Esoterikk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 09:06 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 09:03 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 09:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 08:57 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 08:54 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 08:45 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 08:31 krazykoz wrote:On August 01 2013 08:18 -Kyo- wrote:
I think I replied first... so second reply.. don't hate me D: !
I doubt he is quitting because of that person or any other hater. It's troubling as a player but I don't think that's what drives most people to their choice. I'm sure he put a lot more thought into it than that. It's up to him if he wants to say anything more or not, though. I was basing it off of the linked tweet, figuring the one he replied to was the first reply to him. No hate for you I don't think it is any one person specifically, nor do I think it is the only reason or even the largest reason behind his decision. I'm guessing it is a combo of his results and where he thinks he could improve to. I know he has been putting a lot of effort in lately, so it is sad to see him choose this now, but perhaps he thought he plateaued. Having haters on top of all that definitely does not help. If you want another look at the whole internet hate thing, Penny Arcade did a good article on it recently: http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/swimming-in-a-sea-of-shit-the-internets-war-against-creativesYou can replace "creatives" with "progamers" and its about the same thing. The modern internet sucks and slowly wears at people like a stone in the river. 100% agreed. I was trying to do some musical stuff, and got pretty good feedback from my nearest and dearest. I went on the internet, sticking up stuff in which I would clearly label it, you know stuff I'd done guitars/bass tracking for, vocals and programmed the rest, and mixed it myself. I would entitle it (slightly exaggerating) 'Some formative unfinished ideas that I have mixed badly because I can only be proficient in quite so many areas, that I'd like to share'. Replies such as 'This sucks, it doesn't sound like the stuff on the radio' and 'Learn to mix faggot' are REALLY fucking wearing when you go out of your way to point out in the fucking UPLOAD INFO that it's very much a work in progress. I don't even expose TL to my girlfriend's youtube page for her drumming, because I know what would happen. I don't even look at the comments any more because I want to hunt people down afterwords. The internet is a terrible place for anyone trying create anything. It's pretty sad really. For this reason I go out of my way to give positive crit on stuff I actually enjoy, although if I hadn't gone through the process myself I'm not so sure I would do so. Positive/agreeable people stay silent and just assume that you are somewhere aware of their approval, and people with nothing better to do tear you to shreds. Really, Tasteless and Artosis have said it best when they say they don't even visit TL or look at community sites any more. I cant blame them. I think it is harming everyone, from players to event runners, trying to please the masses of the internet that only want to tear you down. I kinda long for the day when they ignore us and do whatever they want(like Valve). It's a real shame in a way. If people weren't cunts, the likes of Twitch chat would actually be a unique source of bonding between the pros we admire and the people who follow them. If I have to hear another 'it's the internet, deal with it' justification of cuntish behaviour that ruins potential avenues of interaction and discussion for everybody else with a modicum of decency and restraint I may go to my nearest mountain and scream from its peak. The internet has literally been like this since it started I don't know what people expect, the price of fame is being in the public eye and when you are "internet famous" that public has an anonymous voice. It's not going to change. I post youtube videos and never go back to them again because I realize that it's just going to be a shitfest no matter what my content is.
No it hasn't, at least not nearly as bad as it is now. In the earlier, less-centralised days the internet was a much more agreeable place to reside. I had a lot of experiences on it that I really can't see myself replicating on the current platforms of choice.
Without wanting to be a complete elitist (while being completely elitist admittedly) the problems spiralled when the uptake started to move towards being universal.
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noooooooo Theoooo!!!! One of my favorite Terrans this is sad to hear...
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On August 01 2013 09:32 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 09:29 Esoterikk wrote:On August 01 2013 09:06 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 09:03 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 09:00 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 08:57 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 08:54 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 01 2013 08:45 Plansix wrote:On August 01 2013 08:31 krazykoz wrote:On August 01 2013 08:18 -Kyo- wrote:
I think I replied first... so second reply.. don't hate me D: !
I doubt he is quitting because of that person or any other hater. It's troubling as a player but I don't think that's what drives most people to their choice. I'm sure he put a lot more thought into it than that. It's up to him if he wants to say anything more or not, though. I was basing it off of the linked tweet, figuring the one he replied to was the first reply to him. No hate for you I don't think it is any one person specifically, nor do I think it is the only reason or even the largest reason behind his decision. I'm guessing it is a combo of his results and where he thinks he could improve to. I know he has been putting a lot of effort in lately, so it is sad to see him choose this now, but perhaps he thought he plateaued. Having haters on top of all that definitely does not help. If you want another look at the whole internet hate thing, Penny Arcade did a good article on it recently: http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/swimming-in-a-sea-of-shit-the-internets-war-against-creativesYou can replace "creatives" with "progamers" and its about the same thing. The modern internet sucks and slowly wears at people like a stone in the river. 100% agreed. I was trying to do some musical stuff, and got pretty good feedback from my nearest and dearest. I went on the internet, sticking up stuff in which I would clearly label it, you know stuff I'd done guitars/bass tracking for, vocals and programmed the rest, and mixed it myself. I would entitle it (slightly exaggerating) 'Some formative unfinished ideas that I have mixed badly because I can only be proficient in quite so many areas, that I'd like to share'. Replies such as 'This sucks, it doesn't sound like the stuff on the radio' and 'Learn to mix faggot' are REALLY fucking wearing when you go out of your way to point out in the fucking UPLOAD INFO that it's very much a work in progress. I don't even expose TL to my girlfriend's youtube page for her drumming, because I know what would happen. I don't even look at the comments any more because I want to hunt people down afterwords. The internet is a terrible place for anyone trying create anything. It's pretty sad really. For this reason I go out of my way to give positive crit on stuff I actually enjoy, although if I hadn't gone through the process myself I'm not so sure I would do so. Positive/agreeable people stay silent and just assume that you are somewhere aware of their approval, and people with nothing better to do tear you to shreds. Really, Tasteless and Artosis have said it best when they say they don't even visit TL or look at community sites any more. I cant blame them. I think it is harming everyone, from players to event runners, trying to please the masses of the internet that only want to tear you down. I kinda long for the day when they ignore us and do whatever they want(like Valve). It's a real shame in a way. If people weren't cunts, the likes of Twitch chat would actually be a unique source of bonding between the pros we admire and the people who follow them. If I have to hear another 'it's the internet, deal with it' justification of cuntish behaviour that ruins potential avenues of interaction and discussion for everybody else with a modicum of decency and restraint I may go to my nearest mountain and scream from its peak. The internet has literally been like this since it started I don't know what people expect, the price of fame is being in the public eye and when you are "internet famous" that public has an anonymous voice. It's not going to change. I post youtube videos and never go back to them again because I realize that it's just going to be a shitfest no matter what my content is. No it hasn't, at least not nearly as bad as it is now. In the earlier, less-centralised days the internet was a much more agreeable place to reside. I had a lot of experiences on it that I really can't see myself replicating on the current platforms of choice. Without wanting to be a complete elitist (while being completely elitist admittedly) the problems spiralled when the uptake started to move towards being universal.
Yes... it has... the only difference is more people = more assholes.
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fundamentally, all these misfortunes come from blizzard's terrible WCS format
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