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United States33075 Posts
On July 25 2013 19:24 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:12 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:11 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:09 dignitasDreAm wrote:On July 25 2013 19:08 Waxangel wrote:
they should let jim play his match vs MC tomorrow
they've already let oz-grubby delay their game due to the venue closing before they could play
flexibility is better than rigid rule adherence in this specific case agreed The difference is, he is stalling two matches, not only one. I don't know how tight their schedule is, but that certainly is a difference. Also he was not present for the matches at all. I can imagine it might be difficult to get the needed VISAs, but do you need to that on the day of another tournament? no it's just him vs MC 1v1 for spot in groups, there's nothign after that As I see the bracket, it is him vs Daisy and the loser vs MC. It would be not right just to have him play the last match.
just say daisy gets the defwin but have the loser final be played
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On July 25 2013 19:30 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:25 Thrillz wrote:On July 25 2013 19:18 Hellboy.100 wrote:On July 25 2013 19:08 Waxangel wrote:
they should let jim play his match vs MC tomorrow
they've already let oz-grubby delay their game due to the venue closing before they could play
flexibility is better than rigid rule adherence in this specific case Is there anyone who can suggest this to the IEM admins? It's pretty reasonable he should get that chance to at least play the lower bracket...but he should be able to play both since three group games can be played before he has to play his group anyway... They already made the decision, they can't change it now as it would be totally unfair to the qualifying players. Unless someone popular stamps their feet takes it to twitter and threatens a boycott.
Yes, we need more public uproar idiocy on Twitter, that is for sure :/
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On July 25 2013 19:30 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:24 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:12 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:11 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:09 dignitasDreAm wrote:On July 25 2013 19:08 Waxangel wrote:
they should let jim play his match vs MC tomorrow
they've already let oz-grubby delay their game due to the venue closing before they could play
flexibility is better than rigid rule adherence in this specific case agreed The difference is, he is stalling two matches, not only one. I don't know how tight their schedule is, but that certainly is a difference. Also he was not present for the matches at all. I can imagine it might be difficult to get the needed VISAs, but do you need to that on the day of another tournament? no it's just him vs MC 1v1 for spot in groups, there's nothign after that As I see the bracket, it is him vs Daisy and the loser vs MC. It would be not right just to have him play the last match. just say daisy gets the defwin but have the loser final be played
That would be unreasonable. Why should Daisy get the freeride and MC not? Also again: Why does he just leave the venue during a tournament?
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On July 25 2013 19:32 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:30 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:24 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:12 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:11 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:09 dignitasDreAm wrote:On July 25 2013 19:08 Waxangel wrote:
they should let jim play his match vs MC tomorrow
they've already let oz-grubby delay their game due to the venue closing before they could play
flexibility is better than rigid rule adherence in this specific case agreed The difference is, he is stalling two matches, not only one. I don't know how tight their schedule is, but that certainly is a difference. Also he was not present for the matches at all. I can imagine it might be difficult to get the needed VISAs, but do you need to that on the day of another tournament? no it's just him vs MC 1v1 for spot in groups, there's nothign after that As I see the bracket, it is him vs Daisy and the loser vs MC. It would be not right just to have him play the last match. just say daisy gets the defwin but have the loser final be played That would be unreasonable. Why should Daisy get the freeride and MC not? Also again: Why does he just leave the venue during a tournament?
Visas are by appointments. If the government only has that time/day, there's not much more you can do.
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Hey you know what would be cool?
If Chinese SC2 pro gamers were a part of the whole US acknowledge thingy making it easy to get visas.
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United States33075 Posts
On July 25 2013 19:32 grs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:30 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:24 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:12 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:11 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:09 dignitasDreAm wrote:On July 25 2013 19:08 Waxangel wrote:
they should let jim play his match vs MC tomorrow
they've already let oz-grubby delay their game due to the venue closing before they could play
flexibility is better than rigid rule adherence in this specific case agreed The difference is, he is stalling two matches, not only one. I don't know how tight their schedule is, but that certainly is a difference. Also he was not present for the matches at all. I can imagine it might be difficult to get the needed VISAs, but do you need to that on the day of another tournament? no it's just him vs MC 1v1 for spot in groups, there's nothign after that As I see the bracket, it is him vs Daisy and the loser vs MC. It would be not right just to have him play the last match. just say daisy gets the defwin but have the loser final be played That would be unreasonable. Why should Daisy get the freeride and MC not? Also again: Why does he just leave the venue during a tournament?
because of extraordinary circumstances
rules don't exist for the sake of having rules, they exist to better the tournament
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TBH as soon as Chinese players signed up for WCS AM this possibility popped into my head. Just a bad track record of Chinese players missing events in CS 1.6 that made me think that way. Hopefully they get them though because it would suck if they didn't.
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On July 25 2013 19:12 MajOr wrote:
it sucks but maybe people should have their documents ready before playing a tournament that u have to travel to X place at X time?
in other note what happens to macseds and jim spots, does blizzard just give 2 forfeits or me and puck advance by being 3rd places in respective groups
i hope 2nd one :D
And you can get a visa with a reason that you might be coming to play some computer game if you first clear preliminary stage for the tournament. Yeah, I also think that it's that easy to get a visa, especially if you are a Chinese.
And no, you aren't getting the 2nd place if Blizzard has any part of their brains still working. It's the same situation as with Violet last season. Seriously this post is just stupid and a kind of disgusting.
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On July 25 2013 19:33 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:32 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:30 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:24 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:12 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:11 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:09 dignitasDreAm wrote:On July 25 2013 19:08 Waxangel wrote:
they should let jim play his match vs MC tomorrow
they've already let oz-grubby delay their game due to the venue closing before they could play
flexibility is better than rigid rule adherence in this specific case agreed The difference is, he is stalling two matches, not only one. I don't know how tight their schedule is, but that certainly is a difference. Also he was not present for the matches at all. I can imagine it might be difficult to get the needed VISAs, but do you need to that on the day of another tournament? no it's just him vs MC 1v1 for spot in groups, there's nothign after that As I see the bracket, it is him vs Daisy and the loser vs MC. It would be not right just to have him play the last match. just say daisy gets the defwin but have the loser final be played That would be unreasonable. Why should Daisy get the freeride and MC not? Also again: Why does he just leave the venue during a tournament? because of extraordinary circumstances rules don't exist for the sake of having rules, they exist to better the tournament
extraordinary circumstances he himself (or his team) is/are responsible for. Why wasnt this Visa issue sorted out before taking part in this tournament?
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Actually the VO only read the invitation letter from WCS， and haven't even read other docs.
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america and their visas ... lol players now get sportvisas ... plz for sc2 too
On July 25 2013 19:37 yawnoC wrote:
TBH as soon as Chinese players signed up for WCS AM this possibility popped into my head. Just a bad track record of Chinese players missing events in CS 1.6 that made me think that way. Hopefully they get them though because it would suck if they didn't.
but its not the fail of the chinese that no one wants them in their country. .. for chinese to get visa to usa is ... well lets say "hard"
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United States33075 Posts
On July 25 2013 19:38 mengsk83 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:33 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:32 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:30 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:24 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:12 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:11 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:09 dignitasDreAm wrote:On July 25 2013 19:08 Waxangel wrote:
they should let jim play his match vs MC tomorrow
they've already let oz-grubby delay their game due to the venue closing before they could play
flexibility is better than rigid rule adherence in this specific case agreed The difference is, he is stalling two matches, not only one. I don't know how tight their schedule is, but that certainly is a difference. Also he was not present for the matches at all. I can imagine it might be difficult to get the needed VISAs, but do you need to that on the day of another tournament? no it's just him vs MC 1v1 for spot in groups, there's nothign after that As I see the bracket, it is him vs Daisy and the loser vs MC. It would be not right just to have him play the last match. just say daisy gets the defwin but have the loser final be played That would be unreasonable. Why should Daisy get the freeride and MC not? Also again: Why does he just leave the venue during a tournament? because of extraordinary circumstances rules don't exist for the sake of having rules, they exist to better the tournament extraordinary circumstances he himself (or his team) is/are responsible for. Why wasnt this Visa issue sorted out before taking part in this tournament?
because meetings are at the pleasure of the embassy, not yours
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On July 25 2013 19:44 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:38 mengsk83 wrote:On July 25 2013 19:33 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:32 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:30 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:24 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:12 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:11 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:09 dignitasDreAm wrote:On July 25 2013 19:08 Waxangel wrote:
they should let jim play his match vs MC tomorrow
they've already let oz-grubby delay their game due to the venue closing before they could play
flexibility is better than rigid rule adherence in this specific case agreed The difference is, he is stalling two matches, not only one. I don't know how tight their schedule is, but that certainly is a difference. Also he was not present for the matches at all. I can imagine it might be difficult to get the needed VISAs, but do you need to that on the day of another tournament? no it's just him vs MC 1v1 for spot in groups, there's nothign after that As I see the bracket, it is him vs Daisy and the loser vs MC. It would be not right just to have him play the last match. just say daisy gets the defwin but have the loser final be played That would be unreasonable. Why should Daisy get the freeride and MC not? Also again: Why does he just leave the venue during a tournament? because of extraordinary circumstances rules don't exist for the sake of having rules, they exist to better the tournament extraordinary circumstances he himself (or his team) is/are responsible for. Why wasnt this Visa issue sorted out before taking part in this tournament? because meetings are at the pleasure of the embassy, not yours
It, indeed, never is a pleasure to have a meeting with an embassy 
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was wondering too about why he forfeited his match. thank you for this post.
P.S. guys what about grubby vs oz result? who won?
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On July 25 2013 19:48 p1oneer wrote:
was wondering too about why he forfeited his match. thank you for this post.
P.S. guys what about grubby vs oz result? who won?
They're playing it tomorrow.
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Oh wow  Thats a shame
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On July 25 2013 19:44 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:38 mengsk83 wrote:On July 25 2013 19:33 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:32 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:30 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:24 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:12 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:11 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:09 dignitasDreAm wrote:On July 25 2013 19:08 Waxangel wrote:
they should let jim play his match vs MC tomorrow
they've already let oz-grubby delay their game due to the venue closing before they could play
flexibility is better than rigid rule adherence in this specific case agreed The difference is, he is stalling two matches, not only one. I don't know how tight their schedule is, but that certainly is a difference. Also he was not present for the matches at all. I can imagine it might be difficult to get the needed VISAs, but do you need to that on the day of another tournament? no it's just him vs MC 1v1 for spot in groups, there's nothign after that As I see the bracket, it is him vs Daisy and the loser vs MC. It would be not right just to have him play the last match. just say daisy gets the defwin but have the loser final be played That would be unreasonable. Why should Daisy get the freeride and MC not? Also again: Why does he just leave the venue during a tournament? because of extraordinary circumstances rules don't exist for the sake of having rules, they exist to better the tournament extraordinary circumstances he himself (or his team) is/are responsible for. Why wasnt this Visa issue sorted out before taking part in this tournament? because meetings are at the pleasure of the embassy, not yours
This is exactly right, was told by iG.Edison(MacSed/Jim's team coach) that they waited outside the embassy standing for 2 hours in 40 degrees heat and another hour inside the embassy, just to get their visas denied after visa officer looked at their WCS invitation briefly.
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On July 25 2013 19:08 Waxangel wrote:
they should let jim play his match vs MC tomorrow
they've already let oz-grubby delay their game due to the venue closing before they could play
flexibility is better than rigid rule adherence in this specific case
But it's quite a different situation with these two matches. Oz and Grubby were at the venue and it isn't their fault if it is decided to close the location or whatever.
Although it is very disappointing and sad for eSport, Jim wanted to handle personal issues not related to the IEM tournament. There has to be some deadline. The IEM administrators cooperated by playing the second Open Bracket first - despite that Jim didn't manage to show up in time.
In fact the Chinese embassy is to blame - it's not the first case with visa issues for chinese players.
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On July 25 2013 19:50 Alopex wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 19:44 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:38 mengsk83 wrote:On July 25 2013 19:33 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:32 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:30 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:24 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:12 Waxangel wrote:On July 25 2013 19:11 grs wrote:On July 25 2013 19:09 dignitasDreAm wrote:
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agreed The difference is, he is stalling two matches, not only one. I don't know how tight their schedule is, but that certainly is a difference. Also he was not present for the matches at all. I can imagine it might be difficult to get the needed VISAs, but do you need to that on the day of another tournament? no it's just him vs MC 1v1 for spot in groups, there's nothign after that As I see the bracket, it is him vs Daisy and the loser vs MC. It would be not right just to have him play the last match. just say daisy gets the defwin but have the loser final be played That would be unreasonable. Why should Daisy get the freeride and MC not? Also again: Why does he just leave the venue during a tournament? because of extraordinary circumstances rules don't exist for the sake of having rules, they exist to better the tournament extraordinary circumstances he himself (or his team) is/are responsible for. Why wasnt this Visa issue sorted out before taking part in this tournament? because meetings are at the pleasure of the embassy, not yours This is exactly right, was told by iG.Edison(MacSed/Jim's team coach) that they waited outside the embassy standing for 2 hours in 40 degrees heat and another hour inside the embassy, just to get their visas denied after visa officer looked at their WCS invitation briefly.
Wow
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