EPT3 fact blue flame hellion viking cloakshee massacre. Somewhat of a iEchoic WoL style with like 90% win rate.
Balance patch this week - Hellbats nerfed, Banshees buffed…
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
3 fact blue flame hellion viking cloakshee massacre. Somewhat of a iEchoic WoL style with like 90% win rate. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On July 09 2013 16:12 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote: I personally hate defending against banshees, but I appreciate what it seems like Bliz is trying to do. The cloak cost reduction isn't that huge, but if it nudges people toward a greater diversity of openings, then I'm all for it. Take a few moments to imagine what a cannon rush would look like if the protoss didn't need to build a forge before building cannons. He's not saying that toss should be able to make cannons without a forge, but that zerg should not be the only race that can make their detector static defense without an additional building... | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
Marauder HB all in is obviously severely nerfed now, and 2 port banshee is laughably easy to shut down as both toss and zerg..zerg get ridiculous early spores, and toss have fast robo or stargate openings for quick detection | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
On July 09 2013 23:18 Survivor61316 wrote: He's not saying that toss should be able to make cannons without a forge, but that zerg should not be the only race that can make their detector static defense without an additional building... zerg is also the only race without friendly fire AoE Protoss: storm damages own units Terran: siege tank splash, WM AoE, hunter seeker Zerg: ??? deal with it/I am Ron Burgundy? | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
8 marinedrop + hellions --> hellions + vikings --> take 3rd --> after +/- 12 minutes orso add tankproduction. Its solid  | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On July 09 2013 17:18 Decendos wrote: 888 reaper and 2 rax still win games on the highest levels (especially 2 rax, 888 isnt used that much anymore although very strong vs hatch first). on the other hand zerg has no all in (flashs high ground CC first even holds 6 pool easily). all other all ins like roach bane all in or hellbat marauder all in etc. are so late you can scout them and react properly which is fine. Dude, there is a different between cheese and all in that you dont seem to grasp..the marauder HB all in was scoutable just like roach bane, whereas the 888 (useless now btw) and 6 pool are both cheeses. Though the 888 can be scouted with a drone scout (missing rax, not many workers, early gas). 2 rax is scoutable for the same reason of missing rax. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 09 2013 23:27 govie wrote: 8 marinedrop + hellions --> hellions + vikings --> take 3rd --> after +/- 12 minutes orso add tankproduction. Its solid So is the first CC before or after the marine drop? | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On July 09 2013 23:57 Liquid`Jinro wrote: So is the first CC before or after the marine drop? Gas 15 Marine Marine reactor expand → fact port. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On July 09 2013 23:39 Survivor61316 wrote: Dude, there is a different between cheese and all in that you dont seem to grasp..the marauder HB all in was scoutable just like roach bane, whereas the 888 (useless now btw) and 6 pool are both cheeses. Though the 888 can be scouted with a drone scout (missing rax, not many workers, early gas). 2 rax is scoutable for the same reason of missing rax. A cheese is a(n unconventional) strategy that - you hope - your opponent doesn't expect/scout or that relies on an opponent playing overly greedy to begin with. Marauder/hellbat and 11/11 fall as much into that category as 6pool or 8/8/8, as all of them are quite defendable if the opponent knows early* that they are coming, or straight up rely on an opponent taking a risk (aka CC on the low ground against a 6pool, Zerg not confirming a 3rd CC against HB/Marauder). *and early is completely situation depend. Scouting 2fininshing proxy barracksis often too late to hold an 11/11, while scouting 3finishing barracks instead of a third CC gives you plenty of time before the marauder/hellbat moves out. Allin just means that you have to make something big happen with an attack or the game becomes unwinable. Basically all cheeses are allins, but not vis-versa. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 10 2013 00:06 TheDwf wrote: Gas 15 Marine Marine reactor expand → fact port. Thx, both of you. | ||
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
On July 09 2013 19:58 Snowbear wrote: Also prepare to a ton of zerg whine. They are not used to this new hellion banshee harass, and it will take time for them to adjust. And we all know what they do during that time :p.. This was standard in WOL. Of course they know how to deal with it. | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
Did you used a bot to get 32k messages.. its an achievement! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 10 2013 00:18 The_Darkness wrote: This was standard in WOL. Of course they know how to deal with it. And all their whining will be pre-prepared when they lose to it. Copy, paraphrase, paste. The more things change. | ||
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butter
United States785 Posts
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tili
United States1332 Posts
On July 09 2013 23:18 Survivor61316 wrote: He's not saying that toss should be able to make cannons without a forge, but that zerg should not be the only race that can make their detector static defense without an additional building... Yea, but that's wrong. Zerg has to make a spawning pool... | ||
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guitaraffa
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midnight999
United States257 Posts
On July 09 2013 23:18 Survivor61316 wrote: He's not saying that toss should be able to make cannons without a forge, but that zerg should not be the only race that can make their detector static defense without an additional building... What? you need a spawning pool for a spore crawler. | ||
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