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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51449 Posts
Finally, Bitterdam get a gig <3
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For a mostly online event NASL was the better choice from the beginning. WCS S1 run by MLG was pretty good i expect NASL to make it even better.
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Yes, excellent news! For some reason, MLG didn't do a very good job at all with WCS AM (although the MLG events themselves are usually very good). Also, it's so good to see NASL casters back in action.
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YESSSSSSS! FCK YES! I was hoping something like this would happen ever since mlg screwed up bigtimr
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Thank God. No more axeltoss. I can finally watch WCS with sound on.
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Great news!!! I felt so sad for NASL that they got shafted so hard with the whole WCS ordeal, while their season 4 had just been amazing. Not a fan at all of the IPL casters, but if Bitterdam and Frotorp join in it will be fun none the less. And the return of Chance!
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On June 19 2013 02:07 arkedos wrote:
Well this could be very good für WCS AM, but now the NASL has a really heavy load on their shoulders because the expectiations will be very high.
Yes, i have incredibly high expectations, given how high mlg has set the bar with season 1 ...
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See guys, keep your pitchforks sharpened and we can make the world a better place
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Congratz Blizzard ! NASL so much better and fun than MLG. NASL: better casters than MLG, more fun than MLG, more viewers friendly system than MLG and more ENTERTAINING.
The True does exist 
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Remember NASL required Paid Subscription to view the VODs
but MLG released most VODs onto YouTube for WCS season 1
Will NASL continue this kindness?
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On June 19 2013 02:36 DavoS wrote:
See guys, keep your pitchforks sharpened and we can make the world a better place
I don't think it had much to do with pitch forks at all. MLG opted out of WCS and didn't want to do it in the first place.
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On June 19 2013 02:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 02:25 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On June 19 2013 02:16 Schelim wrote:On June 19 2013 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Crossposting this from Reddit
So here's my personal opinion on this based on what I know of the situation of the last few months.
This is a good thing for an awful lot of reasons, but I think what most people aren't going to grasp is how good it is for MLG. The preconception is that WCS is a bag of money on a plate to any organization that gets it and holy shit is that completely inaccurate. WCS is a massive resource drain on any organization that hosts it. Blizzard do not in fact give you all the money you could ever need to run the event and MLG was put in a ridiculously difficult position to recoup costs because they had to host at an EU-unfriendly time. So you lock out your biggest audience by default and are then expected to recoup via sponsorship and ad revenue? What? The amount of money MLG had to spend with no possibility of return to run WCS was outrageous. More to the point, if you think MLG actually fought to get WCS you're WAAAAAYYY off. It was very much the other way around. Blizzard strategy involved having MLG do the event, Blizzard pushed for it. MLG was reluctant to take the event as they wanted to focus on what they're good at, their regular live Pro Circuit tournaments. They were pressured by Blizzard to take on WCS. NASL was shut out in the process.
As much hate as MLG gets, they didn't actually make that many mistakes outside of the dreadful qualifiers, they were simply put in a tough spot and had the misfortune of not being ESL. ESL has far more experience running this kind of regular online content and they happen to have a bit more of a laid-back image which lets them pull stuff like Carmac in a bee-suit, White-ra as a bartender, a live final in an abandoned sauna etc. Not only that but foreigners were actually able to compete to a reasonable degree there and the storylines came from that, as opposed to the stomping that occurred in the RO32 in WCS America. MLG got saddled with the consequences of Blizzards decision not to region-lock in the worst possible way and for some reason were blamed for it. Some people might think Blizzard kicked MLG out. I'm sure that's a nice narrative for the hivemind but nope, try the other way around.
You wanna know why MLG announced Anaheim so late, why the format is the way it is and why the prizepool isn't as large? WCS. WCS was the damn albatross around the neck of MLG. They weren't given an opportunity, they were given a burden. WCS wreaked havoc on the American scene, derailing NASL and negatively impacting MLGs actual events which have been the cornerstone of the US competitive scene since Starcraft 2 launched. Now it seems like some of those wrongs will finally be righted.
NASL is in a better position to produce the kind of format that WCS demands. They have more experience, 2 casting teams, the production crew and the facilities to do that daily content. It's what NASL are. NASL live finals are hardly the best things in the world, more often than not lack-luster, it's not their speciality. Their speciality is that daily show and the supporting content that is created around it. I honestly doubt we'll see a big leap in viewers. As much as its the popular opinion to suggest that less popular casters drag the viewer count down significantly it's really not the case at all. The lack of EU audience is what kills WCS America and it always will if it continues at that timeslot.
Anyway, I'm glad MLG can get back to doing what they do best and what they've always wanted to do. I've been behind that curtain and I saw how hard they worked on WCS America but it was abundantly clear that its not their biggest strength. There's nothing quite like an MLG crowd and hopefully WCS will not affect future MLG live events in the way it's affected Anaheim. the only thing i don't like about this post is the fact you're telling me MLG has found a way to make money with sc2 again, which means they'll stay in this community :/ What an asinine statement. MLG has done SO MUCH for the SC2 community, but I bet statements like this make them wish they hadn't even bothered in the first place. Do you even realize the amount of content they have provided, and the exposure they have generated for SC2 specifically, and eSports in general? Not just in the US but around the world? They were the first ones to pick up SC2 and they moved it to the main stage after a couple MLGs. Sundance were appearing on State of the Game when Day 9 was one of the pillars. Does anyone remember "Ikea, sponsor MLG" when they ran out of chairs on the side stage. How much people forget.
Meh, I've come to expect extremely short term memories from the internet.
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On June 19 2013 02:40 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 02:28 Plansix wrote:On June 19 2013 02:25 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On June 19 2013 02:16 Schelim wrote:On June 19 2013 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Crossposting this from Reddit
So here's my personal opinion on this based on what I know of the situation of the last few months.
This is a good thing for an awful lot of reasons, but I think what most people aren't going to grasp is how good it is for MLG. The preconception is that WCS is a bag of money on a plate to any organization that gets it and holy shit is that completely inaccurate. WCS is a massive resource drain on any organization that hosts it. Blizzard do not in fact give you all the money you could ever need to run the event and MLG was put in a ridiculously difficult position to recoup costs because they had to host at an EU-unfriendly time. So you lock out your biggest audience by default and are then expected to recoup via sponsorship and ad revenue? What? The amount of money MLG had to spend with no possibility of return to run WCS was outrageous. More to the point, if you think MLG actually fought to get WCS you're WAAAAAYYY off. It was very much the other way around. Blizzard strategy involved having MLG do the event, Blizzard pushed for it. MLG was reluctant to take the event as they wanted to focus on what they're good at, their regular live Pro Circuit tournaments. They were pressured by Blizzard to take on WCS. NASL was shut out in the process.
As much hate as MLG gets, they didn't actually make that many mistakes outside of the dreadful qualifiers, they were simply put in a tough spot and had the misfortune of not being ESL. ESL has far more experience running this kind of regular online content and they happen to have a bit more of a laid-back image which lets them pull stuff like Carmac in a bee-suit, White-ra as a bartender, a live final in an abandoned sauna etc. Not only that but foreigners were actually able to compete to a reasonable degree there and the storylines came from that, as opposed to the stomping that occurred in the RO32 in WCS America. MLG got saddled with the consequences of Blizzards decision not to region-lock in the worst possible way and for some reason were blamed for it. Some people might think Blizzard kicked MLG out. I'm sure that's a nice narrative for the hivemind but nope, try the other way around.
You wanna know why MLG announced Anaheim so late, why the format is the way it is and why the prizepool isn't as large? WCS. WCS was the damn albatross around the neck of MLG. They weren't given an opportunity, they were given a burden. WCS wreaked havoc on the American scene, derailing NASL and negatively impacting MLGs actual events which have been the cornerstone of the US competitive scene since Starcraft 2 launched. Now it seems like some of those wrongs will finally be righted.
NASL is in a better position to produce the kind of format that WCS demands. They have more experience, 2 casting teams, the production crew and the facilities to do that daily content. It's what NASL are. NASL live finals are hardly the best things in the world, more often than not lack-luster, it's not their speciality. Their speciality is that daily show and the supporting content that is created around it. I honestly doubt we'll see a big leap in viewers. As much as its the popular opinion to suggest that less popular casters drag the viewer count down significantly it's really not the case at all. The lack of EU audience is what kills WCS America and it always will if it continues at that timeslot.
Anyway, I'm glad MLG can get back to doing what they do best and what they've always wanted to do. I've been behind that curtain and I saw how hard they worked on WCS America but it was abundantly clear that its not their biggest strength. There's nothing quite like an MLG crowd and hopefully WCS will not affect future MLG live events in the way it's affected Anaheim. the only thing i don't like about this post is the fact you're telling me MLG has found a way to make money with sc2 again, which means they'll stay in this community :/ What an asinine statement. MLG has done SO MUCH for the SC2 community, but I bet statements like this make them wish they hadn't even bothered in the first place. Do you even realize the amount of content they have provided, and the exposure they have generated for SC2 specifically, and eSports in general? Not just in the US but around the world? They were the first ones to pick up SC2 and they moved it to the main stage after a couple MLGs. Sundance were appearing on State of the Game when Day 9 was one of the pillars. Does anyone remember "Ikea, sponsor MLG" when they ran out of chairs on the side stage. How much people forget. Meh, I've come to expect extremely short term memories from the internet.
Every time the community gets grumpy at Idra for saying "The community has the memory of a goldfish", all I can think is:
Honesty hurts.
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This is exactly how I originally envisioned things for NA and EU WCS.
NASL and ESL do the Day to Day WCS.
MLG and Dreamhack do - stand alone - Grand Slams! (and support NASL and ESL on the Season Finals)
Blizzard does the World Finals at Blizzcon.
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On June 19 2013 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Crossposting this from Reddit
So here's my personal opinion on this based on what I know of the situation of the last few months.
NASL is in a better position to produce the kind of format that WCS demands. They have more experience, 2 casting teams, the production crew and the facilities to do that daily content. It's what NASL are. NASL live finals are hardly the best things in the world, more often than not lack-luster, it's not their speciality. Their speciality is that daily show and the supporting content that is created around it. I honestly doubt we'll see a big leap in viewers. As much as its the popular opinion to suggest that less popular casters drag the viewer count down significantly it's really not the case at all. The lack of EU audience is what kills WCS America and it always will if it continues at that timeslot.
The entire team at NASL is quite thrilled for this opportunity, and looks forward to once again broadcast exciting daily StarCraft II competition. While the team gets ready to ramp up for the Season 2 offline events, Blizzard will operate the WCS America Season 2 Challenger League and Premier League round of 32. Of course, as the NASL casters are quite eager to cast StarCraft II, they will pop in each week to help cast some of the Challenger League and Premier League matches, as well.
NASL being good at what they did won't count for anything when they aren't doing much at all during the regular season.
Blizz screwing up once again.
They will be getting the IGN guys presumably to run most of the show, and NASL was so ridiculously much better than IPL in terms of the overall show there's almost no point in bothering with the whole debacle once again, as Blizz look like they are giving with one hand by involving NASL, then taking away by not using NASL's main strengths.
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On June 19 2013 02:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 02:40 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On June 19 2013 02:28 Plansix wrote:On June 19 2013 02:25 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On June 19 2013 02:16 Schelim wrote:On June 19 2013 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Crossposting this from Reddit
So here's my personal opinion on this based on what I know of the situation of the last few months.
This is a good thing for an awful lot of reasons, but I think what most people aren't going to grasp is how good it is for MLG. The preconception is that WCS is a bag of money on a plate to any organization that gets it and holy shit is that completely inaccurate. WCS is a massive resource drain on any organization that hosts it. Blizzard do not in fact give you all the money you could ever need to run the event and MLG was put in a ridiculously difficult position to recoup costs because they had to host at an EU-unfriendly time. So you lock out your biggest audience by default and are then expected to recoup via sponsorship and ad revenue? What? The amount of money MLG had to spend with no possibility of return to run WCS was outrageous. More to the point, if you think MLG actually fought to get WCS you're WAAAAAYYY off. It was very much the other way around. Blizzard strategy involved having MLG do the event, Blizzard pushed for it. MLG was reluctant to take the event as they wanted to focus on what they're good at, their regular live Pro Circuit tournaments. They were pressured by Blizzard to take on WCS. NASL was shut out in the process.
As much hate as MLG gets, they didn't actually make that many mistakes outside of the dreadful qualifiers, they were simply put in a tough spot and had the misfortune of not being ESL. ESL has far more experience running this kind of regular online content and they happen to have a bit more of a laid-back image which lets them pull stuff like Carmac in a bee-suit, White-ra as a bartender, a live final in an abandoned sauna etc. Not only that but foreigners were actually able to compete to a reasonable degree there and the storylines came from that, as opposed to the stomping that occurred in the RO32 in WCS America. MLG got saddled with the consequences of Blizzards decision not to region-lock in the worst possible way and for some reason were blamed for it. Some people might think Blizzard kicked MLG out. I'm sure that's a nice narrative for the hivemind but nope, try the other way around.
You wanna know why MLG announced Anaheim so late, why the format is the way it is and why the prizepool isn't as large? WCS. WCS was the damn albatross around the neck of MLG. They weren't given an opportunity, they were given a burden. WCS wreaked havoc on the American scene, derailing NASL and negatively impacting MLGs actual events which have been the cornerstone of the US competitive scene since Starcraft 2 launched. Now it seems like some of those wrongs will finally be righted.
NASL is in a better position to produce the kind of format that WCS demands. They have more experience, 2 casting teams, the production crew and the facilities to do that daily content. It's what NASL are. NASL live finals are hardly the best things in the world, more often than not lack-luster, it's not their speciality. Their speciality is that daily show and the supporting content that is created around it. I honestly doubt we'll see a big leap in viewers. As much as its the popular opinion to suggest that less popular casters drag the viewer count down significantly it's really not the case at all. The lack of EU audience is what kills WCS America and it always will if it continues at that timeslot.
Anyway, I'm glad MLG can get back to doing what they do best and what they've always wanted to do. I've been behind that curtain and I saw how hard they worked on WCS America but it was abundantly clear that its not their biggest strength. There's nothing quite like an MLG crowd and hopefully WCS will not affect future MLG live events in the way it's affected Anaheim. the only thing i don't like about this post is the fact you're telling me MLG has found a way to make money with sc2 again, which means they'll stay in this community :/ What an asinine statement. MLG has done SO MUCH for the SC2 community, but I bet statements like this make them wish they hadn't even bothered in the first place. Do you even realize the amount of content they have provided, and the exposure they have generated for SC2 specifically, and eSports in general? Not just in the US but around the world? They were the first ones to pick up SC2 and they moved it to the main stage after a couple MLGs. Sundance were appearing on State of the Game when Day 9 was one of the pillars. Does anyone remember "Ikea, sponsor MLG" when they ran out of chairs on the side stage. How much people forget. Meh, I've come to expect extremely short term memories from the internet. Every time the community gets grumpy at Idra for saying "The community has the memory of a goldfish", all I can think is: Honesty hurts.
heh, too true
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Now we just need Dreamhack to officially become WCS EU and its perfect
Kappa.
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On June 19 2013 01:50 Dexington wrote:
Better casters, better production, better filler content, player backgrounds, etc...
What is not to love about this?
Blizzard thinks the same. =)
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