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On June 19 2013 01:50 Schelim wrote:did you expect them to say "well, Blizzard thinks we kinda suck so they decided to take WCS away from us and give it to NASL"?
In sure it was mutual. Both sides would have to agree since there were contracts involved. they both realized MLG wasn't equipped to do it and run normal events.
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Glad, i think im going to start watching it now 
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I am crying, this news is best news
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Bisutopia19295 Posts
This is great because I miss MLG events! Come back to Orlando (edit: or Jacksonville!!!!) the Sunshine State of eSports!
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On June 19 2013 02:21 niekoz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 02:14 Lorch wrote:
So MLG just saved NASL? Pretty sick. I just really really really hate the fact that NASL will only do the lan part. No way will I watch any wcs na with ex-IPL producing, they went down for a reason. Also fuck yeah MLG can finally be the awesomeness that is it, I felt like doing wcs took to much away from their sick events anyways. What? Kevin Knocke has one of the best voices in Starcraft commentating
I did not talk about their casters (for the most part what casters you like is just an opinion thing anyways, and our community has shown that who is considered good rarely has anything to do their game knowledge/voice/flow of talk etc. pp) I was talking production, huge difference their.
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I think this is good for everybody :D. Let's wait and see
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On June 19 2013 02:16 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Crossposting this from Reddit
So here's my personal opinion on this based on what I know of the situation of the last few months.
This is a good thing for an awful lot of reasons, but I think what most people aren't going to grasp is how good it is for MLG. The preconception is that WCS is a bag of money on a plate to any organization that gets it and holy shit is that completely inaccurate. WCS is a massive resource drain on any organization that hosts it. Blizzard do not in fact give you all the money you could ever need to run the event and MLG was put in a ridiculously difficult position to recoup costs because they had to host at an EU-unfriendly time. So you lock out your biggest audience by default and are then expected to recoup via sponsorship and ad revenue? What? The amount of money MLG had to spend with no possibility of return to run WCS was outrageous. More to the point, if you think MLG actually fought to get WCS you're WAAAAAYYY off. It was very much the other way around. Blizzard strategy involved having MLG do the event, Blizzard pushed for it. MLG was reluctant to take the event as they wanted to focus on what they're good at, their regular live Pro Circuit tournaments. They were pressured by Blizzard to take on WCS. NASL was shut out in the process.
As much hate as MLG gets, they didn't actually make that many mistakes outside of the dreadful qualifiers, they were simply put in a tough spot and had the misfortune of not being ESL. ESL has far more experience running this kind of regular online content and they happen to have a bit more of a laid-back image which lets them pull stuff like Carmac in a bee-suit, White-ra as a bartender, a live final in an abandoned sauna etc. Not only that but foreigners were actually able to compete to a reasonable degree there and the storylines came from that, as opposed to the stomping that occurred in the RO32 in WCS America. MLG got saddled with the consequences of Blizzards decision not to region-lock in the worst possible way and for some reason were blamed for it. Some people might think Blizzard kicked MLG out. I'm sure that's a nice narrative for the hivemind but nope, try the other way around.
You wanna know why MLG announced Anaheim so late, why the format is the way it is and why the prizepool isn't as large? WCS. WCS was the damn albatross around the neck of MLG. They weren't given an opportunity, they were given a burden. WCS wreaked havoc on the American scene, derailing NASL and negatively impacting MLGs actual events which have been the cornerstone of the US competitive scene since Starcraft 2 launched. Now it seems like some of those wrongs will finally be righted.
NASL is in a better position to produce the kind of format that WCS demands. They have more experience, 2 casting teams, the production crew and the facilities to do that daily content. It's what NASL are. NASL live finals are hardly the best things in the world, more often than not lack-luster, it's not their speciality. Their speciality is that daily show and the supporting content that is created around it. I honestly doubt we'll see a big leap in viewers. As much as its the popular opinion to suggest that less popular casters drag the viewer count down significantly it's really not the case at all. The lack of EU audience is what kills WCS America and it always will if it continues at that timeslot.
Anyway, I'm glad MLG can get back to doing what they do best and what they've always wanted to do. I've been behind that curtain and I saw how hard they worked on WCS America but it was abundantly clear that its not their biggest strength. There's nothing quite like an MLG crowd and hopefully WCS will not affect future MLG live events in the way it's affected Anaheim. the only thing i don't like about this post is the fact you're telling me MLG has found a way to make money with sc2 again, which means they'll stay in this community :/
What an asinine statement.
MLG has done SO MUCH for the SC2 community, but I bet statements like this make them wish they hadn't even bothered in the first place. Do you even realize the amount of content they have provided, and the exposure they have generated for SC2 specifically, and eSports in general? Not just in the US but around the world?
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Poland3751 Posts
I think this move is the only chance for NASL to be present. With WCS daily shows on there seemed to be no time slot for NASL. MLG on the other hand will be more than fine with WCS running around. So in order to keep NASL and MLG present in NA this is the best move there is.
Obviously I'd also like to see some IPL content back. Damn, IPL was the best tournament trademark in NA but without IGN it's really, really gone 
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Great news!
Nice to see a part of the sc2 scene is going to be strangled by WCS less.
Now if they can just stay the FUCK away from GOM with this crap, they can go back to producing their amazing product that has been the lifeblood of competitive sc2 since it was a thing.
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On June 19 2013 02:17 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 02:14 Lorch wrote:
So MLG just saved NASL? Pretty sick. I just really really really hate the fact that NASL will only do the lan part. No way will I watch any wcs na with ex-IPL producing, they went down for a reason. Also fuck yeah MLG can finally be the awesomeness that is it, I felt like doing wcs took to much away from their sick events anyways. IPL went down because IGN wanted to refocus themselves and their content, and because they were losing money on doing these e-sports tournaments. Not because they were bad at what they did. This is really obnoxious to hate the ex-IPL people who didn't do anything wrong.
Well, they were hemorrhaging money. IGN would never have shut them down if they were profitable. Now, is it fair to blame the casters for that? No, and when people hear "IPL" that's probably who they're thinking of. But it wasn't like the organization as a whole was doing great and then randomly got the axe from IGN.
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Clicking on this link I so hoped that was what it would say! Fantastic news!
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Man i miss sc2 before wcs came around. Everything felt so much better.
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On June 19 2013 02:25 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 02:16 Schelim wrote:On June 19 2013 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Crossposting this from Reddit
So here's my personal opinion on this based on what I know of the situation of the last few months.
This is a good thing for an awful lot of reasons, but I think what most people aren't going to grasp is how good it is for MLG. The preconception is that WCS is a bag of money on a plate to any organization that gets it and holy shit is that completely inaccurate. WCS is a massive resource drain on any organization that hosts it. Blizzard do not in fact give you all the money you could ever need to run the event and MLG was put in a ridiculously difficult position to recoup costs because they had to host at an EU-unfriendly time. So you lock out your biggest audience by default and are then expected to recoup via sponsorship and ad revenue? What? The amount of money MLG had to spend with no possibility of return to run WCS was outrageous. More to the point, if you think MLG actually fought to get WCS you're WAAAAAYYY off. It was very much the other way around. Blizzard strategy involved having MLG do the event, Blizzard pushed for it. MLG was reluctant to take the event as they wanted to focus on what they're good at, their regular live Pro Circuit tournaments. They were pressured by Blizzard to take on WCS. NASL was shut out in the process.
As much hate as MLG gets, they didn't actually make that many mistakes outside of the dreadful qualifiers, they were simply put in a tough spot and had the misfortune of not being ESL. ESL has far more experience running this kind of regular online content and they happen to have a bit more of a laid-back image which lets them pull stuff like Carmac in a bee-suit, White-ra as a bartender, a live final in an abandoned sauna etc. Not only that but foreigners were actually able to compete to a reasonable degree there and the storylines came from that, as opposed to the stomping that occurred in the RO32 in WCS America. MLG got saddled with the consequences of Blizzards decision not to region-lock in the worst possible way and for some reason were blamed for it. Some people might think Blizzard kicked MLG out. I'm sure that's a nice narrative for the hivemind but nope, try the other way around.
You wanna know why MLG announced Anaheim so late, why the format is the way it is and why the prizepool isn't as large? WCS. WCS was the damn albatross around the neck of MLG. They weren't given an opportunity, they were given a burden. WCS wreaked havoc on the American scene, derailing NASL and negatively impacting MLGs actual events which have been the cornerstone of the US competitive scene since Starcraft 2 launched. Now it seems like some of those wrongs will finally be righted.
NASL is in a better position to produce the kind of format that WCS demands. They have more experience, 2 casting teams, the production crew and the facilities to do that daily content. It's what NASL are. NASL live finals are hardly the best things in the world, more often than not lack-luster, it's not their speciality. Their speciality is that daily show and the supporting content that is created around it. I honestly doubt we'll see a big leap in viewers. As much as its the popular opinion to suggest that less popular casters drag the viewer count down significantly it's really not the case at all. The lack of EU audience is what kills WCS America and it always will if it continues at that timeslot.
Anyway, I'm glad MLG can get back to doing what they do best and what they've always wanted to do. I've been behind that curtain and I saw how hard they worked on WCS America but it was abundantly clear that its not their biggest strength. There's nothing quite like an MLG crowd and hopefully WCS will not affect future MLG live events in the way it's affected Anaheim. the only thing i don't like about this post is the fact you're telling me MLG has found a way to make money with sc2 again, which means they'll stay in this community :/ What an asinine statement. MLG has done SO MUCH for the SC2 community, but I bet statements like this make them wish they hadn't even bothered in the first place. Do you even realize the amount of content they have provided, and the exposure they have generated for SC2 specifically, and eSports in general? Not just in the US but around the world?
They were the first ones to pick up SC2 and they moved it to the main stage after a couple MLGs. Sundance were appearing on State of the Game when Day 9 was one of the pillars. Does anyone remember "Ikea, sponsor MLG" when they ran out of chairs on the side stage.
How much people forget.
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On June 19 2013 02:22 fuzzylogic44 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 01:50 Schelim wrote:did you expect them to say "well, Blizzard thinks we kinda suck so they decided to take WCS away from us and give it to NASL"? In sure it was mutual. Both sides would have to agree since there were contracts involved. they both realized MLG wasn't equipped to do it and run normal events.
I doubt anyone without insider knowledge can truly say whether it was mutual. Contracts are involved, but when hiring a production company you often include clauses that let you terminate the deal (sometimes at a cost). It would be quite a generous deal from Blizzard if they promised MLG that they could represent Blizzard in a year-long exclusive league, and no matter how badly they did they were entitled to continue operating the league on behalf of Blizzard. At the very least one would expect that Blizzard had the option to stop their deal between seasons if they gave a notice soon enough.
I think this is a good decision. NASL was always the natural choice, and MLG definitely didn't impress with their season 1 production.
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France7248 Posts
Great to see that NASL guys are back!
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On June 19 2013 02:28 rasnj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2013 02:22 fuzzylogic44 wrote:On June 19 2013 01:50 Schelim wrote:did you expect them to say "well, Blizzard thinks we kinda suck so they decided to take WCS away from us and give it to NASL"? In sure it was mutual. Both sides would have to agree since there were contracts involved. they both realized MLG wasn't equipped to do it and run normal events. I doubt anyone without insider knowledge can truly say whether it was mutual. Contracts are involved, but when hiring a production company you often include clauses that let you terminate the deal (sometimes at a cost). It would be quite a generous deal from Blizzard if they promised MLG that they could represent Blizzard in a year-long exclusive league, and no matter how badly they did they were entitled to continue operating the league on behalf of Blizzard. At the very least one would expect that Blizzard had the option to stop their deal between seasons if they gave a notice soon enough. I think this is a good decision. NASL was almost the natural choice, and MLG definitely didn't impress with their season 1 production.
TB pretty much clears it up with this post right here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417740¤tpage=7#122
MLG likely didn't want to do WCS as it was a huge money sink.
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Fuck yeah! Super excited for NASL.
-Cross
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This is the best news that we've had in months. I've been missing the nightly NASL casts and entertainment since last November, and now they're the ones who get to do WCS America!
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NIIIIIIIIIIICE bitterdam!!
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