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United States33703 Posts
On June 18 2013 15:27 bduddy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 13:03 Shinespark wrote:On June 18 2013 12:59 dcemuser wrote:On June 18 2013 07:27 IdrA wrote:On June 18 2013 07:25 lim1017 wrote:
This probably means JD wont be returning to Team8 after his year contract with EG. If they are planning to cut 4 players their star player might be available soon, they're clearing up budget: definitely not going to pick him up Honestly, with Kespa reasoning, JD is probably one of the 4 "cut" players. They still consider JD to be "on loan" to EG-TL and part of Team 8's roster. I would not be surprised to see JD "dropped" from Team 8 OR "return" to it. Actually that was never the case. JD belongs in body and soul to EG. That annoucement was wrong and was rescinded within the day. Body and soul, fellas. I always thought that the recall clause was disclaimed, but no one ever denied that Jaedong was indeed on a 1-year loan.
the recall clause was rescinded but EG has never bothered to clarify the fact that KeSPA and Korean media call it a 'loan'
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On June 18 2013 17:53 juicyjames wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 13:58 EFermi wrote:On June 18 2013 13:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is Jaedong actually thought of as a real integral part of the Team 8 fabric? I know from the infamous 'PirateZerg' image that he was at Oz, but does Team 8 really have that kind of link with Jaedong in the eyes of the fans? Do Team 8 even really have a big fanbase if they're kind of a melting pot of various other teams and their players? I really don't know this, so would be interested to hear from some of the BW vets.
If not, I'd love to see him stick with EGTL. He does seem to be actually integrated pretty well there and not just there for the paycheck, and it lets us see a bit more of him at foreign tournaments.
Of course the real dream is an integrated teamleague. I don't know if it'll happen, and I don't think the ESF teams can compete with some of the small rosters given the PL format, but long term I do hope to see it. At this time, LGIM seem the only one that really resembles a big Proleague team, with their deep roster and many sponsors. If Team 8 runs out of money, and EGTL decide to not continue, ESF and KESPA would be fools to not combine into one big team league. Honestly, I think eSF and KeSPA may be forced to combine team leagues whether they want to or not. GSTL ends in July, SPL probably ends in July or August. There's a good chance we could see a few disbands or pullouts on both sides. - How long is AZUBU going to last under all this controversy?
- Will EG-TL return next season now that WCS is in full swing?
- How long can Team 8 last without a sponsor?
Let's not forget a lot of eSF teams are probably hurting now that KeSPA is doing well in WCS and GSTL doesn't schedule teams to play constantly like SPL does. On top of all of this, that eSF-KeSPA trade lock expires in October. If eSF and KeSPA don't work out a combined team league, things could look really ugly until they do.
EG-TL will return due to their recent results, at least that´s what I would expect. But there are some other teams that do not have the brightest future imo.
What about Prime? Or NSHS? To be honest, the only teams doing well in GSTL are the four on the top. No controversy, good results and money.
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ahhhw  ((((
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Northern Ireland27414 Posts
On June 18 2013 19:53 JoeCool wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 17:53 juicyjames wrote:On June 18 2013 13:58 EFermi wrote:On June 18 2013 13:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is Jaedong actually thought of as a real integral part of the Team 8 fabric? I know from the infamous 'PirateZerg' image that he was at Oz, but does Team 8 really have that kind of link with Jaedong in the eyes of the fans? Do Team 8 even really have a big fanbase if they're kind of a melting pot of various other teams and their players? I really don't know this, so would be interested to hear from some of the BW vets.
If not, I'd love to see him stick with EGTL. He does seem to be actually integrated pretty well there and not just there for the paycheck, and it lets us see a bit more of him at foreign tournaments.
Of course the real dream is an integrated teamleague. I don't know if it'll happen, and I don't think the ESF teams can compete with some of the small rosters given the PL format, but long term I do hope to see it. At this time, LGIM seem the only one that really resembles a big Proleague team, with their deep roster and many sponsors. If Team 8 runs out of money, and EGTL decide to not continue, ESF and KESPA would be fools to not combine into one big team league. Honestly, I think eSF and KeSPA may be forced to combine team leagues whether they want to or not. GSTL ends in July, SPL probably ends in July or August. There's a good chance we could see a few disbands or pullouts on both sides. - How long is AZUBU going to last under all this controversy?
- Will EG-TL return next season now that WCS is in full swing?
- How long can Team 8 last without a sponsor?
Let's not forget a lot of eSF teams are probably hurting now that KeSPA is doing well in WCS and GSTL doesn't schedule teams to play constantly like SPL does. On top of all of this, that eSF-KeSPA trade lock expires in October. If eSF and KeSPA don't work out a combined team league, things could look really ugly until they do. EG-TL will return due to their recent results, at least that´s what I would expect. But there are some other teams that do not have the brightest future imo. What about Prime? Or NSHS? To be honest, the only teams doing well in GSTL are the four on the top. No controversy, good results and money.
Axiom/Acer just aren't big enough to do much in PL in terms of roster size.
The main problem I foresee for a merge is that many of the eSF teams simply aren't big enough, roster size wise to do much in PL. Would have to be many mergers for them to be competitive imo. LGIM have insane depth and would do very well for sure, they really seem a natural fit but I don't see that with some of the others.
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On June 18 2013 20:31 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 19:53 JoeCool wrote:On June 18 2013 17:53 juicyjames wrote:On June 18 2013 13:58 EFermi wrote:On June 18 2013 13:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is Jaedong actually thought of as a real integral part of the Team 8 fabric? I know from the infamous 'PirateZerg' image that he was at Oz, but does Team 8 really have that kind of link with Jaedong in the eyes of the fans? Do Team 8 even really have a big fanbase if they're kind of a melting pot of various other teams and their players? I really don't know this, so would be interested to hear from some of the BW vets.
If not, I'd love to see him stick with EGTL. He does seem to be actually integrated pretty well there and not just there for the paycheck, and it lets us see a bit more of him at foreign tournaments.
Of course the real dream is an integrated teamleague. I don't know if it'll happen, and I don't think the ESF teams can compete with some of the small rosters given the PL format, but long term I do hope to see it. At this time, LGIM seem the only one that really resembles a big Proleague team, with their deep roster and many sponsors. If Team 8 runs out of money, and EGTL decide to not continue, ESF and KESPA would be fools to not combine into one big team league. Honestly, I think eSF and KeSPA may be forced to combine team leagues whether they want to or not. GSTL ends in July, SPL probably ends in July or August. There's a good chance we could see a few disbands or pullouts on both sides. - How long is AZUBU going to last under all this controversy?
- Will EG-TL return next season now that WCS is in full swing?
- How long can Team 8 last without a sponsor?
Let's not forget a lot of eSF teams are probably hurting now that KeSPA is doing well in WCS and GSTL doesn't schedule teams to play constantly like SPL does. On top of all of this, that eSF-KeSPA trade lock expires in October. If eSF and KeSPA don't work out a combined team league, things could look really ugly until they do. EG-TL will return due to their recent results, at least that´s what I would expect. But there are some other teams that do not have the brightest future imo. What about Prime? Or NSHS? To be honest, the only teams doing well in GSTL are the four on the top. No controversy, good results and money. Axiom/Acer just aren't big enough to do much in PL in terms of roster size. The main problem I foresee for a merge is that many of the eSF teams simply aren't big enough, roster size wise to do much in PL. Would have to be many mergers for them to be competitive imo. LGIM have insane depth and would do very well for sure, they really seem a natural fit but I don't see that with some of the others.
Unless I'm missing something IM, MVP, FXOpen Korea and StarTale all have comparable numbers to KeSPA teams. Based on liquipedia at least.
Given Prime, NSHS and Axiom-Acer are probably all a little too small. AZUBU is big enough but given the recent stuff about that that came up I don't know where thats going.
Just hope that if they DO merge they don't keep the Proleague format. Not a fan, at all, and probably wouldn't watch it as much as I watch GSTL.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On June 18 2013 20:51 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 20:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2013 19:53 JoeCool wrote:On June 18 2013 17:53 juicyjames wrote:On June 18 2013 13:58 EFermi wrote:On June 18 2013 13:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is Jaedong actually thought of as a real integral part of the Team 8 fabric? I know from the infamous 'PirateZerg' image that he was at Oz, but does Team 8 really have that kind of link with Jaedong in the eyes of the fans? Do Team 8 even really have a big fanbase if they're kind of a melting pot of various other teams and their players? I really don't know this, so would be interested to hear from some of the BW vets.
If not, I'd love to see him stick with EGTL. He does seem to be actually integrated pretty well there and not just there for the paycheck, and it lets us see a bit more of him at foreign tournaments.
Of course the real dream is an integrated teamleague. I don't know if it'll happen, and I don't think the ESF teams can compete with some of the small rosters given the PL format, but long term I do hope to see it. At this time, LGIM seem the only one that really resembles a big Proleague team, with their deep roster and many sponsors. If Team 8 runs out of money, and EGTL decide to not continue, ESF and KESPA would be fools to not combine into one big team league. Honestly, I think eSF and KeSPA may be forced to combine team leagues whether they want to or not. GSTL ends in July, SPL probably ends in July or August. There's a good chance we could see a few disbands or pullouts on both sides. - How long is AZUBU going to last under all this controversy?
- Will EG-TL return next season now that WCS is in full swing?
- How long can Team 8 last without a sponsor?
Let's not forget a lot of eSF teams are probably hurting now that KeSPA is doing well in WCS and GSTL doesn't schedule teams to play constantly like SPL does. On top of all of this, that eSF-KeSPA trade lock expires in October. If eSF and KeSPA don't work out a combined team league, things could look really ugly until they do. EG-TL will return due to their recent results, at least that´s what I would expect. But there are some other teams that do not have the brightest future imo. What about Prime? Or NSHS? To be honest, the only teams doing well in GSTL are the four on the top. No controversy, good results and money. Axiom/Acer just aren't big enough to do much in PL in terms of roster size. The main problem I foresee for a merge is that many of the eSF teams simply aren't big enough, roster size wise to do much in PL. Would have to be many mergers for them to be competitive imo. LGIM have insane depth and would do very well for sure, they really seem a natural fit but I don't see that with some of the others. Unless I'm missing something IM, MVP, FXOpen Korea and StarTale all have comparable numbers to KeSPA teams. Based on liquipedia at least. Given Prime, NSHS and Axiom-Acer are probably all a little too small. AZUBU is big enough but given the recent stuff about that that came up I don't know where thats going. Just hope that if they DO merge they don't keep the Proleague format. Not a fan, at all, and probably wouldn't watch it as much as I watch GSTL.
What's so wrong with SPL format?
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On June 18 2013 20:31 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 19:53 JoeCool wrote:On June 18 2013 17:53 juicyjames wrote:On June 18 2013 13:58 EFermi wrote:On June 18 2013 13:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is Jaedong actually thought of as a real integral part of the Team 8 fabric? I know from the infamous 'PirateZerg' image that he was at Oz, but does Team 8 really have that kind of link with Jaedong in the eyes of the fans? Do Team 8 even really have a big fanbase if they're kind of a melting pot of various other teams and their players? I really don't know this, so would be interested to hear from some of the BW vets.
If not, I'd love to see him stick with EGTL. He does seem to be actually integrated pretty well there and not just there for the paycheck, and it lets us see a bit more of him at foreign tournaments.
Of course the real dream is an integrated teamleague. I don't know if it'll happen, and I don't think the ESF teams can compete with some of the small rosters given the PL format, but long term I do hope to see it. At this time, LGIM seem the only one that really resembles a big Proleague team, with their deep roster and many sponsors. If Team 8 runs out of money, and EGTL decide to not continue, ESF and KESPA would be fools to not combine into one big team league. Honestly, I think eSF and KeSPA may be forced to combine team leagues whether they want to or not. GSTL ends in July, SPL probably ends in July or August. There's a good chance we could see a few disbands or pullouts on both sides. - How long is AZUBU going to last under all this controversy?
- Will EG-TL return next season now that WCS is in full swing?
- How long can Team 8 last without a sponsor?
Let's not forget a lot of eSF teams are probably hurting now that KeSPA is doing well in WCS and GSTL doesn't schedule teams to play constantly like SPL does. On top of all of this, that eSF-KeSPA trade lock expires in October. If eSF and KeSPA don't work out a combined team league, things could look really ugly until they do. EG-TL will return due to their recent results, at least that´s what I would expect. But there are some other teams that do not have the brightest future imo. What about Prime? Or NSHS? To be honest, the only teams doing well in GSTL are the four on the top. No controversy, good results and money. Axiom/Acer just aren't big enough to do much in PL in terms of roster size. The main problem I foresee for a merge is that many of the eSF teams simply aren't big enough, roster size wise to do much in PL. Would have to be many mergers for them to be competitive imo. LGIM have insane depth and would do very well for sure, they really seem a natural fit but I don't see that with some of the others.
Well, I don´t see the problem... If we take AA aside and replace them with FXO. What´s left? LGIM, MVP, ST and FXO. They are big enough and - as for FXO, maybe - strong enough. The other teams are not big enough and they aren´t performing very well either.
What I´m trying to say is, size doesn´t matter. Those with a decent size will have no problems, and those who are too small are performing horribly anyways. Let´s be honest it´s all about Prime/NSHS, and I doubt that both of these teams will exist much longer.
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On June 18 2013 21:17 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 20:51 -Celestial- wrote:On June 18 2013 20:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2013 19:53 JoeCool wrote:On June 18 2013 17:53 juicyjames wrote:On June 18 2013 13:58 EFermi wrote:On June 18 2013 13:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is Jaedong actually thought of as a real integral part of the Team 8 fabric? I know from the infamous 'PirateZerg' image that he was at Oz, but does Team 8 really have that kind of link with Jaedong in the eyes of the fans? Do Team 8 even really have a big fanbase if they're kind of a melting pot of various other teams and their players? I really don't know this, so would be interested to hear from some of the BW vets.
If not, I'd love to see him stick with EGTL. He does seem to be actually integrated pretty well there and not just there for the paycheck, and it lets us see a bit more of him at foreign tournaments.
Of course the real dream is an integrated teamleague. I don't know if it'll happen, and I don't think the ESF teams can compete with some of the small rosters given the PL format, but long term I do hope to see it. At this time, LGIM seem the only one that really resembles a big Proleague team, with their deep roster and many sponsors. If Team 8 runs out of money, and EGTL decide to not continue, ESF and KESPA would be fools to not combine into one big team league. Honestly, I think eSF and KeSPA may be forced to combine team leagues whether they want to or not. GSTL ends in July, SPL probably ends in July or August. There's a good chance we could see a few disbands or pullouts on both sides. - How long is AZUBU going to last under all this controversy?
- Will EG-TL return next season now that WCS is in full swing?
- How long can Team 8 last without a sponsor?
Let's not forget a lot of eSF teams are probably hurting now that KeSPA is doing well in WCS and GSTL doesn't schedule teams to play constantly like SPL does. On top of all of this, that eSF-KeSPA trade lock expires in October. If eSF and KeSPA don't work out a combined team league, things could look really ugly until they do. EG-TL will return due to their recent results, at least that´s what I would expect. But there are some other teams that do not have the brightest future imo. What about Prime? Or NSHS? To be honest, the only teams doing well in GSTL are the four on the top. No controversy, good results and money. Axiom/Acer just aren't big enough to do much in PL in terms of roster size. The main problem I foresee for a merge is that many of the eSF teams simply aren't big enough, roster size wise to do much in PL. Would have to be many mergers for them to be competitive imo. LGIM have insane depth and would do very well for sure, they really seem a natural fit but I don't see that with some of the others. Unless I'm missing something IM, MVP, FXOpen Korea and StarTale all have comparable numbers to KeSPA teams. Based on liquipedia at least. Given Prime, NSHS and Axiom-Acer are probably all a little too small. AZUBU is big enough but given the recent stuff about that that came up I don't know where thats going. Just hope that if they DO merge they don't keep the Proleague format. Not a fan, at all, and probably wouldn't watch it as much as I watch GSTL. What's so wrong with SPL format?
Just not a fan of the "individual 1v1s" setup, much prefer all-kill. Personally I feel it makes teams have to actually work and plan for the match as a whole as a team rather than just prepare for a specific matchup as a group of individuals. The way it plays out reminds me of substitutions and tactical changes in football matches.
The 1v1 proleague format is more structured, so whilst the individual games might be better (because you can plan more in advance for a specific matchup) you get less excitement in the match as a whole. You can't have a relatively unknown player suddenly come off the bench and take out Life or something, having been preparing one strategy all week on a specific map to snipe him. I like the mindgames.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On June 18 2013 22:02 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 21:17 Targe wrote:On June 18 2013 20:51 -Celestial- wrote:On June 18 2013 20:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2013 19:53 JoeCool wrote:On June 18 2013 17:53 juicyjames wrote:On June 18 2013 13:58 EFermi wrote:On June 18 2013 13:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is Jaedong actually thought of as a real integral part of the Team 8 fabric? I know from the infamous 'PirateZerg' image that he was at Oz, but does Team 8 really have that kind of link with Jaedong in the eyes of the fans? Do Team 8 even really have a big fanbase if they're kind of a melting pot of various other teams and their players? I really don't know this, so would be interested to hear from some of the BW vets.
If not, I'd love to see him stick with EGTL. He does seem to be actually integrated pretty well there and not just there for the paycheck, and it lets us see a bit more of him at foreign tournaments.
Of course the real dream is an integrated teamleague. I don't know if it'll happen, and I don't think the ESF teams can compete with some of the small rosters given the PL format, but long term I do hope to see it. At this time, LGIM seem the only one that really resembles a big Proleague team, with their deep roster and many sponsors. If Team 8 runs out of money, and EGTL decide to not continue, ESF and KESPA would be fools to not combine into one big team league. Honestly, I think eSF and KeSPA may be forced to combine team leagues whether they want to or not. GSTL ends in July, SPL probably ends in July or August. There's a good chance we could see a few disbands or pullouts on both sides. - How long is AZUBU going to last under all this controversy?
- Will EG-TL return next season now that WCS is in full swing?
- How long can Team 8 last without a sponsor?
Let's not forget a lot of eSF teams are probably hurting now that KeSPA is doing well in WCS and GSTL doesn't schedule teams to play constantly like SPL does. On top of all of this, that eSF-KeSPA trade lock expires in October. If eSF and KeSPA don't work out a combined team league, things could look really ugly until they do. EG-TL will return due to their recent results, at least that´s what I would expect. But there are some other teams that do not have the brightest future imo. What about Prime? Or NSHS? To be honest, the only teams doing well in GSTL are the four on the top. No controversy, good results and money. Axiom/Acer just aren't big enough to do much in PL in terms of roster size. The main problem I foresee for a merge is that many of the eSF teams simply aren't big enough, roster size wise to do much in PL. Would have to be many mergers for them to be competitive imo. LGIM have insane depth and would do very well for sure, they really seem a natural fit but I don't see that with some of the others. Unless I'm missing something IM, MVP, FXOpen Korea and StarTale all have comparable numbers to KeSPA teams. Based on liquipedia at least. Given Prime, NSHS and Axiom-Acer are probably all a little too small. AZUBU is big enough but given the recent stuff about that that came up I don't know where thats going. Just hope that if they DO merge they don't keep the Proleague format. Not a fan, at all, and probably wouldn't watch it as much as I watch GSTL. What's so wrong with SPL format? Just not a fan of the "individual 1v1s" setup, much prefer all-kill. Personally I feel it makes teams have to actually work and plan for the match as a whole as a team rather than just prepare for a specific matchup as a group of individuals. The way it plays out reminds me of substitutions and tactical changes in football matches. The 1v1 proleague format is more structured, so whilst the individual games might be better (because you can plan more in advance for a specific matchup) you get less excitement in the match as a whole. You can't have a relatively unknown player suddenly come off the bench and take out Life or something, having been preparing one strategy all week on a specific map to snipe him. I like the mindgames.
I'd actually say the better team wins with SPL setup whereas the team with the star players wins with all kill.
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One of the weaker links in Team 8 for sure. At least what I saw in the last few months. One does not simply lose to some newbie players in WCS US, when he's on Kespa team.
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He was too low for Kespa...
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On June 18 2013 22:46 TaShadan wrote:
He was too low for Kespa...
I agree; many people have talked about his potential, but Major hasn't really shown many good results (either in WoL or HotS, iirc), and there have been many other foreign Terrans who have consistently been better. Potential doesn't mean anything if it never gets unlocked and utilized effectively.
That being said, I think it's great he got this opportunity, and I hope he can use this experience to get better in the future. I wonder what team he'll bounce to next.
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Northern Ireland27414 Posts
On June 18 2013 21:55 JoeCool wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 20:31 Wombat_NI wrote:On June 18 2013 19:53 JoeCool wrote:On June 18 2013 17:53 juicyjames wrote:On June 18 2013 13:58 EFermi wrote:On June 18 2013 13:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is Jaedong actually thought of as a real integral part of the Team 8 fabric? I know from the infamous 'PirateZerg' image that he was at Oz, but does Team 8 really have that kind of link with Jaedong in the eyes of the fans? Do Team 8 even really have a big fanbase if they're kind of a melting pot of various other teams and their players? I really don't know this, so would be interested to hear from some of the BW vets.
If not, I'd love to see him stick with EGTL. He does seem to be actually integrated pretty well there and not just there for the paycheck, and it lets us see a bit more of him at foreign tournaments.
Of course the real dream is an integrated teamleague. I don't know if it'll happen, and I don't think the ESF teams can compete with some of the small rosters given the PL format, but long term I do hope to see it. At this time, LGIM seem the only one that really resembles a big Proleague team, with their deep roster and many sponsors. If Team 8 runs out of money, and EGTL decide to not continue, ESF and KESPA would be fools to not combine into one big team league. Honestly, I think eSF and KeSPA may be forced to combine team leagues whether they want to or not. GSTL ends in July, SPL probably ends in July or August. There's a good chance we could see a few disbands or pullouts on both sides. - How long is AZUBU going to last under all this controversy?
- Will EG-TL return next season now that WCS is in full swing?
- How long can Team 8 last without a sponsor?
Let's not forget a lot of eSF teams are probably hurting now that KeSPA is doing well in WCS and GSTL doesn't schedule teams to play constantly like SPL does. On top of all of this, that eSF-KeSPA trade lock expires in October. If eSF and KeSPA don't work out a combined team league, things could look really ugly until they do. EG-TL will return due to their recent results, at least that´s what I would expect. But there are some other teams that do not have the brightest future imo. What about Prime? Or NSHS? To be honest, the only teams doing well in GSTL are the four on the top. No controversy, good results and money. Axiom/Acer just aren't big enough to do much in PL in terms of roster size. The main problem I foresee for a merge is that many of the eSF teams simply aren't big enough, roster size wise to do much in PL. Would have to be many mergers for them to be competitive imo. LGIM have insane depth and would do very well for sure, they really seem a natural fit but I don't see that with some of the others. Well, I don´t see the problem... If we take AA aside and replace them with FXO. What´s left? LGIM, MVP, ST and FXO. They are big enough and - as for FXO, maybe - strong enough. The other teams are not big enough and they aren´t performing very well either. What I´m trying to say is, size doesn´t matter. Those with a decent size will have no problems, and those who are too small are performing horribly anyways. Let´s be honest it´s all about Prime/NSHS, and I doubt that both of these teams will exist much longer.
Weirdly enough I actually went and checked and LGIM actually have a smaller listed roster than the other ones, albeit MC would likely be added. What they do have is a lot of quality players who are doing well in the individual leagues at present, would definitely love to see them competing if a team drops out of Proleague for sure, more for curiosity's sake but I do think they'd do well.
However, I do like the GSTL as a competition, it does appear to be a bit on the decline of late although I do enjoy the games.
How do people feel EGTL would be doing in GSTL? I realise the merger was kind of a one-off for Proleague reasons, but I would definitely fancy their chances in the allkill format as well. They've now gotten a solid supporting cast to go with Taeja's multikill madness 
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On June 18 2013 22:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:I agree; many people have talked about his potential, but Major hasn't really shown many good results (either in WoL or HotS, iirc), and there have been many other foreign Terrans who have consistently been better. Potential doesn't mean anything if it never gets unlocked and utilized effectively. That being said, I think it's great he got this opportunity, and I hope he can use this experience to get better in the future. I wonder what team he'll bounce to next.
he was top5 in house ranking . how is that low ?
i hope EG picks him up.
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On June 18 2013 23:05 xsnac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 22:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 18 2013 22:46 TaShadan wrote:
He was too low for Kespa... I agree; many people have talked about his potential, but Major hasn't really shown many good results (either in WoL or HotS, iirc), and there have been many other foreign Terrans who have consistently been better. Potential doesn't mean anything if it never gets unlocked and utilized effectively. That being said, I think it's great he got this opportunity, and I hope he can use this experience to get better in the future. I wonder what team he'll bounce to next. he was top5 in house ranking . how is that low ? i hope EG picks him up.
Top 5... for Team 8, right? And even if he held a top five position, surely there were many more players who saw at least a little more tournament time than he did.
EDIT: I think EG picking him up would be a bit unnecessary, and- at best- redundant... Thorzain and DeMuslim are both better Terran foreigners, and Alive is obviously better too. (I don't know how Major compares to Xenocider; I don't know much about Xeno.)
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On June 18 2013 17:53 juicyjames wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2013 13:58 EFermi wrote:On June 18 2013 13:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is Jaedong actually thought of as a real integral part of the Team 8 fabric? I know from the infamous 'PirateZerg' image that he was at Oz, but does Team 8 really have that kind of link with Jaedong in the eyes of the fans? Do Team 8 even really have a big fanbase if they're kind of a melting pot of various other teams and their players? I really don't know this, so would be interested to hear from some of the BW vets.
If not, I'd love to see him stick with EGTL. He does seem to be actually integrated pretty well there and not just there for the paycheck, and it lets us see a bit more of him at foreign tournaments.
Of course the real dream is an integrated teamleague. I don't know if it'll happen, and I don't think the ESF teams can compete with some of the small rosters given the PL format, but long term I do hope to see it. At this time, LGIM seem the only one that really resembles a big Proleague team, with their deep roster and many sponsors. If Team 8 runs out of money, and EGTL decide to not continue, ESF and KESPA would be fools to not combine into one big team league. Honestly, I think eSF and KeSPA may be forced to combine team leagues whether they want to or not. GSTL ends in July, SPL probably ends in July or August. There's a good chance we could see a few disbands or pullouts on both sides. - How long is AZUBU going to last under all this controversy?
- Will EG-TL return next season now that WCS is in full swing?
- How long can Team 8 last without a sponsor?
Let's not forget a lot of eSF teams are probably hurting now that KeSPA is doing well in WCS and GSTL doesn't schedule teams to play constantly like SPL does. On top of all of this, that eSF-KeSPA trade lock expires in October. If eSF and KeSPA don't work out a combined team league, things could look really ugly until they do.
I really hope this happens. With many player contracts running out about that time (I think), some restructuring needs to happen in order to avoid ugly buy-out situations. A unified team league would be a decisive step towards stabilizing Korean SC2. GOM and OGN taking turns at WCS already works, they could do so for Proleague as well. Also, it would be awesome. 
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I know this might sound crazy at first glance, but I'd really like to see EG or TL pick him up. This guy has definitely worked his ass off to get on team 8, he doesn't have good results but he has experience and is already adapting to the korean lifestyle. I think living in a team house under coach Park, and surrounded by the caliber of EG-TL players in korea, we could see some results from him.
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On June 18 2013 23:21 Reborn8u wrote:
I know this might sound crazy at first glance, but I'd really like to see EG or TL pick him up. This guy has definitely worked his ass off to get on team 8, he doesn't have good results but he has experience and is already adapting to the korean lifestyle. I think living in a team house under coach Park, and surrounded by the caliber of EG-TL players in korea, we could see some results from him.
I wouldn't expect TL to pick him up, he doesn't seem a fit.
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Good go buddy. We will all be watching and waiting. <3
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