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WCS EU Season2 Map Pool

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Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 18:25:24
June 10 2013 18:25 GMT
#1
ESL announced the season2 map pool for WCS EU (and Go4SC2 cups as well):


Whirlwind
Star Station
Neo Planet S
Belshir Vestige
Derelict Watcher (new)
Red City (new)
Newkirk Precinct TE (changed to Proleage version)


removed maps:
Akilon Wastes
Daybreak


source: http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/news/223098/
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
June 10 2013 18:27 GMT
#2
Dayyyyybreak. Hell yeeeeee
Refer to my post.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
June 10 2013 18:28 GMT
#3
Oh dear god Derelict Watcher -.-
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Nimix
Profile Joined October 2011
France1809 Posts
June 10 2013 18:28 GMT
#4
I still liked daybreak :'( but oh well, it made it time. Nice removing akilon wastes in my opinion, ZvP was kind of boring on this map I think!
Irrational_Animal
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1059 Posts
June 10 2013 18:35 GMT
#5
No Akilon is excellent. The map created a lot of 4 base turtle games.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
June 10 2013 18:37 GMT
#6
Shame Newkirk is back. The original map is boring but this version isn't much better.
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
June 10 2013 18:40 GMT
#7
Derelict Watcher. The absurd nightmare continues.
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TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
June 10 2013 18:49 GMT
#8
Pretty lame that they won't add Korhal Floating Island and keep both Star Station & Whirlwind (maps are too similar, one needs to be removed).
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
June 10 2013 18:52 GMT
#9
kick newkirk before its too late, start petitions now do whatever but that abomination of a map has to go ASAP
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12042 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 19:03:17
June 10 2013 19:01 GMT
#10
Thank god that Daybreak is gone, but why didn't they add Floating Island?
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DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
June 10 2013 19:08 GMT
#11
Derelict isn't that bad of a map. It encourages bigger fights around the bases and still allows for a relatively safe 3 base. Old Newkirk was awful so any change is fine with me. And I hope Akilon vanishes off the face of the Earth forever and burns in whatever virtual hell Blizzard sends their old files to
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 10 2013 19:11 GMT
#12
Good removals, I could do without Newkirk, too, and I'm not exactly ecstatic about the additions.
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
June 10 2013 19:14 GMT
#13
Finally, Akilon removed...
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EFermi
Profile Joined May 2011
United States165 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 19:16:55
June 10 2013 19:16 GMT
#14
Proleague Newkirk is not bad at all. I'm also happy to see Red City added and Daybreak removed.

I also think that Floating Island is a neat map however, I'm guessing they didn't want to go too radical.
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
June 10 2013 19:18 GMT
#15
Akilon removed? That's a little surprising tbh. I would have rather removed Star station.

Still, it's a good map pool.
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
June 10 2013 19:22 GMT
#16
Derelict Watcher? Seriously? Why would you remove Akilon to add this shitty map?
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Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
June 10 2013 19:23 GMT
#17
Star Station still in ? Eh, I guess one map I hate with passion is still good and the cross spawn version isn't that bad, but it's like Antiga, you had to fix horrible map with additional changes
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Fuzer
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Finland266 Posts
June 10 2013 19:26 GMT
#18
There is reason why 90% of players have vetoed Derelict Watcher. Seems that ESL doesnt care.
a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
June 10 2013 19:42 GMT
#19
Daybreak out is good, Derelict in is meh, Akilon out is party time.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
June 10 2013 19:43 GMT
#20
derelict watcher is god awful lol

akilon is way better imo
Master of DalK
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Canada1803 Posts
June 10 2013 19:49 GMT
#21
Theres so many fucking 2 player maps T_T Could've taken out newkirk/derelict and put in Korhal...
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Dreadwolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 19:51:07
June 10 2013 19:49 GMT
#22
Nice, no Akilon, we are going to see even less protoss in comp play.

Edit: And also this mean map pool isnt unified yet if ESL anounce "their" Map pool.
ImperialFist
Profile Joined April 2013
790 Posts
June 10 2013 19:54 GMT
#23
So how are people exited for Red City? the map looks absolutely horrible.
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Zygno
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 20:11:08
June 10 2013 20:08 GMT
#24
Wtf is up with ESL? Why add Derelict Watcher instead of Akilon? Makes no sense to me, as Derelict isn't a balanced map either.

Played on Red city a few times now and vetoed it. So many fucking chokes.
Still unsure how the new version of Newkirk is gonna be balancewise, probably a good swarmhost map, as 4-5 bases are pretty easy to get.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
June 10 2013 20:29 GMT
#25
Akilon removed but star station is left? :o
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larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 20:32:22
June 10 2013 20:31 GMT
#26
Derelict Watcher over Akilon Wastes is the quite a bad choice.

Derelict Watcher is so bad, one of the worst map.

Also, Red City is a bad map too.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
June 10 2013 20:41 GMT
#27
This is the problem of integrating WCS with ladder map pool. Blizzard is obviously gradually trying to integrate the map pools of ladder and WCS tournaments. Then Blizzard has a monopoly in map choice within the WCS system and we lost the bottom-up influences to Blizzard's map choice.

When Blizzard chooses some bad maps, WCS tournaments are going to do the same.

We lost the old bottom-up way of influencing Blizzard's map choices from tournament organizers.

After this season, it will no longer be that Blizzard chooses the some good GSL new maps, but that GSL and OSL have to use Blizzard ladder maps. When Blizzard makes some bad choices of ladder maps, all the WCS tournaments are going to adopt this bad choice.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
June 10 2013 20:43 GMT
#28
derelict watcher sucks, i also heavily dislike red city.
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Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
June 10 2013 20:46 GMT
#29
Hmm. RedCity and Derelict are certainly different.

Looks like a lot of 2-base play? 3rds seem really hard to maintain on these.
Fody03
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy310 Posts
June 10 2013 22:05 GMT
#30
On June 11 2013 05:41 larse wrote:
This is the problem of integrating WCS with ladder map pool. Blizzard is obviously gradually trying to integrate the map pools of ladder and WCS tournaments. Then Blizzard has a monopoly in map choice within the WCS system and we lost the bottom-up influences to Blizzard's map choice.

When Blizzard chooses some bad maps, WCS tournaments are going to do the same.

We lost the old bottom-up way of influencing Blizzard's map choices from tournament organizers.

After this season, it will no longer be that Blizzard chooses the some good GSL new maps, but that GSL and OSL have to use Blizzard ladder maps. When Blizzard makes some bad choices of ladder maps, all the WCS tournaments are going to adopt this bad choice.


Im not sure whats your point: its exactly going in the opposite direction,with GSL/PL/(OSL) maps influecing Blizzard's decision on which ones to put in the ladder pool

Before WCS we had less tournament maps

Not to mention they said they are looking into the TL Map Contest for the next season
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o29
Profile Joined November 2010
United States220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 22:44:14
June 10 2013 22:43 GMT
#31
Just played a PvZ on Korhal Sky Island on the position with the destructible debris. How do you properly wall off?
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
June 10 2013 23:07 GMT
#32
Derelict Watcher really isn't a good map... However, there's another new map that's even worse
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Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
June 10 2013 23:08 GMT
#33
Also... did people really hate Akilon Wastes that much? I found it to actually be quite dynamic in both style, length and options... I'm not saying I'm a huge fan of the map... But I'm a fan of the diversity it brought to the game...
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Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
June 10 2013 23:11 GMT
#34
On June 11 2013 07:43 o29 wrote:
Just played a PvZ on Korhal Sky Island on the position with the destructible debris. How do you properly wall off?


...played this map today (I played random - rolled terran) against a zerg... Had he done any 6-10 pool, I think I would have straight up died... Seemed impossible to wall off correctly in time... I mean... He went 14 pool 15 hatch and made just 6 lings, and somehow I ended up not taking damage... But a 14 pool + 6 lings could easilly do dmg, when people are not prepared. Being random, if I'm in these positions and I roll zerg I'll just fastpool any P and T I get... Sorry... But it seems ludacris to not do it
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 10 2013 23:12 GMT
#35
oh wtf Akilon was a good map. Yet they keep in that crapfest Newirk Precinct?

blah.

also: farewell Daybreak. It's about time.
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