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On June 11 2013 10:31 Asgardinho wrote:
this means there is not going to be a GSL code S this season? only code A?, this also means no Tastosis casting premier league?
Now I understand why GOMtv is looking for other games like World of tanks etc..
tastosis will be casting the OSL off-stream don't worry
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somehow i think it is a bad news... considering that GSL will no longer happening quite as often. It would be nice if both GSL and OSL happen MORE often regardless of WCS, just like the MSL and OSL during BW season
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On June 11 2013 13:17 lfredl wrote:
somehow i think it is a bad news... considering that GSL will no longer happening quite as often. It would be nice if both GSL and OSL happen MORE often regardless of WCS, just like the MSL and OSL during BW season
I generally agree. It'd be nice if Gom up'd their team league or held alternative sc2 tournaments as well.
I mean most pro players probably don't even play more than 1 tournament game a week.
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On June 11 2013 13:29 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 13:17 lfredl wrote:
somehow i think it is a bad news... considering that GSL will no longer happening quite as often. It would be nice if both GSL and OSL happen MORE often regardless of WCS, just like the MSL and OSL during BW season I generally agree. It'd be nice if Gom up'd their team league or held alternative sc2 tournaments as well. I mean most pro players probably don't even play more than 1 tournament game a week.
That's an ongoing problem.
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On June 11 2013 13:29 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 13:17 lfredl wrote:
somehow i think it is a bad news... considering that GSL will no longer happening quite as often. It would be nice if both GSL and OSL happen MORE often regardless of WCS, just like the MSL and OSL during BW season I generally agree. It'd be nice if Gom up'd their team league or held alternative sc2 tournaments as well. I mean most pro players probably don't even play more than 1 tournament game a week.
Gom always runs some extra events, like the world championship, blizzard cup, super tournament..., hopefully they will do a few more now
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On June 11 2013 13:39 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 13:29 bittman wrote:On June 11 2013 13:17 lfredl wrote:
somehow i think it is a bad news... considering that GSL will no longer happening quite as often. It would be nice if both GSL and OSL happen MORE often regardless of WCS, just like the MSL and OSL during BW season I generally agree. It'd be nice if Gom up'd their team league or held alternative sc2 tournaments as well. I mean most pro players probably don't even play more than 1 tournament game a week. That's an ongoing problem.
they just cant because:
- no tourney overlap bullshit from Blizzard
- most eSF teams in dire situation. hell, without much starcraft to play, I dont think sponsors could stick for long
The best thing they can do is join up (not merge) with KeSPA imo. Dissolve teams like Prime, put themselves on for drafting, stronger teams join SPL. Best of both worlds
Gom always runs some extra events, like the world championship, blizzard cup, super tournament..., hopefully they will do a few more now
I dont see anything happen anytime soon, and it's not a solution in the long run
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What im wondering is if they are forced into using GOMs crappy tournament structure?
I really dislike the group stages GOM are running, where you see great players comming in on a day and have to play up to 3 different matchups without knowing who they are going to play on wich maps etc.
In fact watching Proleague is so much better because you see the best players in the World comming in prepared for ONE oponent on ONE map every single time wich makes the quality so much higher.
From what I know players never had to play these crappy group structures in the OSL.
If (wich I strongly suspect.) in fact they are forced to use a certain tournament format, I really hope they can circumvent these things by just scheduling alot better then GOM is.
Lets say in round of 16 you have 4 Groups of 4 right? Why not play ONE match out of every group per day and get 4 matches per day instead of playing an entire group at once.
This way we can get far higher quality of games then what GOM is offering right now and also this would reward players that are good at preparing alot more.
Bottom line is, quality needs to go up! Im barely watching GSL any more except from when some personal favorite player is playing because I know I get more well prepared games and higher quality by just watching Proleague!
Go OGN! Im confident they will improve alot on GOMs product this upcomming season! <3
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On June 11 2013 13:59 Tanngrisnir wrote:
What im wondering is if they are forced into using GOMs crappy tournament structure?
I really dislike the group stages GOM are running, where you see great players comming in on a day and have to play up to 3 different matchups without knowing who they are going to play on wich maps etc.
In fact watching Proleague is so much better because you see the best players in the World comming in prepared for ONE oponent on ONE map every single time wich makes the quality so much higher.
From what I know players never had to play these crappy group structures in the OSL.
If (wich I strongly suspect.) in fact they are forced to use a certain tournament format, I really hope they can circumvent these things by just scheduling alot better then GOM is.
Lets say in round of 16 you have 4 Groups of 4 right? Why not play ONE match out of every group per day and get 4 matches per day instead of playing an entire group at once.
This way we can get far higher quality of games then what GOM is offering right now and also this would reward players that are good at preparing alot more.
Bottom line is, quality needs to go up! Im barely watching GSL any more except from when some personal favorite player is playing because I know I get more well prepared games and higher quality by just watching Proleague!
Go OGN! Im confident they will improve alot on GOMs product this upcomming season! <3
For the OSL, Ro16 has always been you only play one person in a day. A much better format I think.
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On June 11 2013 15:41 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 13:59 Tanngrisnir wrote:
What im wondering is if they are forced into using GOMs crappy tournament structure?
I really dislike the group stages GOM are running, where you see great players comming in on a day and have to play up to 3 different matchups without knowing who they are going to play on wich maps etc.
In fact watching Proleague is so much better because you see the best players in the World comming in prepared for ONE oponent on ONE map every single time wich makes the quality so much higher.
From what I know players never had to play these crappy group structures in the OSL.
If (wich I strongly suspect.) in fact they are forced to use a certain tournament format, I really hope they can circumvent these things by just scheduling alot better then GOM is.
Lets say in round of 16 you have 4 Groups of 4 right? Why not play ONE match out of every group per day and get 4 matches per day instead of playing an entire group at once.
This way we can get far higher quality of games then what GOM is offering right now and also this would reward players that are good at preparing alot more.
Bottom line is, quality needs to go up! Im barely watching GSL any more except from when some personal favorite player is playing because I know I get more well prepared games and higher quality by just watching Proleague!
Go OGN! Im confident they will improve alot on GOMs product this upcomming season! <3 For the OSL, Ro16 has always been you only play one person in a day. A much better format I think.
Well the 100m dash always gets more press, but I find the marathon more impressive.
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On June 11 2013 13:59 Tanngrisnir wrote:
What im wondering is if they are forced into using GOMs crappy tournament structure?
I really dislike the group stages GOM are running, where you see great players comming in on a day and have to play up to 3 different matchups without knowing who they are going to play on wich maps etc.
In fact watching Proleague is so much better because you see the best players in the World comming in prepared for ONE oponent on ONE map every single time wich makes the quality so much higher.
From what I know players never had to play these crappy group structures in the OSL.
If (wich I strongly suspect.) in fact they are forced to use a certain tournament format, I really hope they can circumvent these things by just scheduling alot better then GOM is.
Lets say in round of 16 you have 4 Groups of 4 right? Why not play ONE match out of every group per day and get 4 matches per day instead of playing an entire group at once.
This way we can get far higher quality of games then what GOM is offering right now and also this would reward players that are good at preparing alot more.
Bottom line is, quality needs to go up! Im barely watching GSL any more except from when some personal favorite player is playing because I know I get more well prepared games and higher quality by just watching Proleague!
Go OGN! Im confident they will improve alot on GOMs product this upcomming season! <3
If i take the WCS Finals as a reference, OGN will not do a better job than GOM, at least for the English streams.
The group format is actually great, because it takes a completly different set of skill to win: you have to adapt quickly.
This has already been discussed to death during every MLG as to what requieres the more skill ? Adapting to a a lot of oponent quickly or having a week to study him ?
For me the answer is both. To truly be a good player you HAVE to know how to do both.
GOM's "crappy format" is actually awesome, because it gives the best of both world.
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On June 11 2013 17:58 Growiel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 13:59 Tanngrisnir wrote:
What im wondering is if they are forced into using GOMs crappy tournament structure?
I really dislike the group stages GOM are running, where you see great players comming in on a day and have to play up to 3 different matchups without knowing who they are going to play on wich maps etc.
In fact watching Proleague is so much better because you see the best players in the World comming in prepared for ONE oponent on ONE map every single time wich makes the quality so much higher.
From what I know players never had to play these crappy group structures in the OSL.
If (wich I strongly suspect.) in fact they are forced to use a certain tournament format, I really hope they can circumvent these things by just scheduling alot better then GOM is.
Lets say in round of 16 you have 4 Groups of 4 right? Why not play ONE match out of every group per day and get 4 matches per day instead of playing an entire group at once.
This way we can get far higher quality of games then what GOM is offering right now and also this would reward players that are good at preparing alot more.
Bottom line is, quality needs to go up! Im barely watching GSL any more except from when some personal favorite player is playing because I know I get more well prepared games and higher quality by just watching Proleague!
Go OGN! Im confident they will improve alot on GOMs product this upcomming season! <3 If i take the WCS Finals as a reference, OGN will not do a better job than GOM, at least for the English streams. The group format is actually great, because it takes a completly different set of skill to win: you have to adapt quickly. This has already been discussed to death during every MLG as to what requieres the more skill ? Adapting to a a lot of oponent quickly or having a week to study him ? For me the answer is both. To truly be a good player you HAVE to know how to do both. GOM's "crappy format" is actually awesome, because it gives the best of both world.
1. OGNs WCS Finals SMOKED anything that GOM has ever produced.
2. If youre actually in to the game and want to have quality games then the group format is terrible, sorry!
People just dont play as well when they cant practice specifically what they are going to play wich is why GOM and OGN always give adequate time for players to prepare for games in RO8 and later.
My guess is that the group stage was created to avoid people geting unlucky draws and have top players eliminate eachother early in the tournament, wich is great.
What I do not understand is why it would take more "skill" to play multiple opponents/series on a single day and I think you got that backwards.
When players havent practiced specifics there is alot more randomness added to the games and alot of the super amazing things that players come up with while practicing and preparing specifics over and over again is taken out of the games
Instead you see players "guess" with timings etc and look bad when they are making misstakes that they wouldnt had they had time to practice and prepare.
Simply put, I dont care about a players ability to adjust and come up with things on the fly after beeing forced to play series after series, and I doubt anyone cares enough about that to be willing to accept lower quality play just to get to see who would play better without preparations?
I care about players revealing the amazing things they can do when they are given time and preparation. These amazing solutions they figure out to solve problems that you and me are experiencing in our own games.
Also there is alot more tention to the games when you know both players come well armed with plans and builds that they are going to execute to perfection.
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OGN used to separate one bo3 into two sessions of bo1/bo2. That shows how much they value preparation over anything. Stop complaining about format please
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On June 11 2013 02:01 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 00:58 Noizhende wrote:On June 11 2013 00:41 Dinotramp wrote:
Fuck off will it be Bo1. Really? REALLY? How on earth does that make sense.... Crikey. Also, Round Robin in Ro16. I'll laugh if they need a coin. They have no shame when it comes to tiebreakers, refer to gogo vs effort vs shine for one of the longest nights of starcraft ever.
Hehe, just looked it up, that's actually nice 
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On June 10 2013 15:11 Noam wrote:
It won't be easy choosing between the OGN stream with DoA and crowd shots and great player-face zoom-ins, or the GOMTV stream with Tastosis and nothing else.
This choice was much easier for the WCS S1 finals with Apollo & Day9 and the lounge etc.
One of the main reasons I don't watch a lot of Proleague are the player-face zooms. Not only they interrupt me in watching the game during intense moments, they are also very, very visually disturbing ...
Generally, the thing that I dislike the most about these tournaments is the "production" - the endelss delays, the awkward interviews, etc... I would like to just watch the games for gods sake! But this is just something that I have to live with, because the coutry with the most insanely childish style of production happens to be the one where good games are being played.
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On June 11 2013 19:21 Tanngrisnir wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 17:58 Growiel wrote:On June 11 2013 13:59 Tanngrisnir wrote:
What im wondering is if they are forced into using GOMs crappy tournament structure?
I really dislike the group stages GOM are running, where you see great players comming in on a day and have to play up to 3 different matchups without knowing who they are going to play on wich maps etc.
In fact watching Proleague is so much better because you see the best players in the World comming in prepared for ONE oponent on ONE map every single time wich makes the quality so much higher.
From what I know players never had to play these crappy group structures in the OSL.
If (wich I strongly suspect.) in fact they are forced to use a certain tournament format, I really hope they can circumvent these things by just scheduling alot better then GOM is.
Lets say in round of 16 you have 4 Groups of 4 right? Why not play ONE match out of every group per day and get 4 matches per day instead of playing an entire group at once.
This way we can get far higher quality of games then what GOM is offering right now and also this would reward players that are good at preparing alot more.
Bottom line is, quality needs to go up! Im barely watching GSL any more except from when some personal favorite player is playing because I know I get more well prepared games and higher quality by just watching Proleague!
Go OGN! Im confident they will improve alot on GOMs product this upcomming season! <3 If i take the WCS Finals as a reference, OGN will not do a better job than GOM, at least for the English streams. The group format is actually great, because it takes a completly different set of skill to win: you have to adapt quickly. This has already been discussed to death during every MLG as to what requieres the more skill ? Adapting to a a lot of oponent quickly or having a week to study him ? For me the answer is both. To truly be a good player you HAVE to know how to do both. GOM's "crappy format" is actually awesome, because it gives the best of both world. 1. OGNs WCS Finals SMOKED anything that GOM has ever produced. 2. If youre actually in to the game and want to have quality games then the group format is terrible, sorry! People just dont play as well when they cant practice specifically what they are going to play wich is why GOM and OGN always give adequate time for players to prepare for games in RO8 and later. My guess is that the group stage was created to avoid people geting unlucky draws and have top players eliminate eachother early in the tournament, wich is great. What I do not understand is why it would take more "skill" to play multiple opponents/series on a single day and I think you got that backwards. When players havent practiced specifics there is alot more randomness added to the games and alot of the super amazing things that players come up with while practicing and preparing specifics over and over again is taken out of the games Instead you see players "guess" with timings etc and look bad when they are making misstakes that they wouldnt had they had time to practice and prepare. Simply put, I dont care about a players ability to adjust and come up with things on the fly after beeing forced to play series after series, and I doubt anyone cares enough about that to be willing to accept lower quality play just to get to see who would play better without preparations? I care about players revealing the amazing things they can do when they are given time and preparation. These amazing solutions they figure out to solve problems that you and me are experiencing in our own games. Also there is alot more tention to the games when you know both players come well armed with plans and builds that they are going to execute to perfection.
1: Your opinion, not shared by everyone. I admit that some thing were better, but the fact that the english casters had to watch the big screen behind them to get informations like the worker count is a joke. Not to mention no translations of interviews...
But hey, if I end up wrong and OGN production kills GomTVs, I'll be the first one happy, because that means a better experience. I just doubt it.
2: It does not take more skill to play multiple opponents on a single day, it takes a different skill, and due to how tourneys works nowadays, a player should have both.
The fact that YOU don't like it doesn't make it less true and it sure as hell doesn't make GOM's system crappy, otherwise it wouldn't have been copied for WCS and more or less every other tournament out there...
Anyways I said already, it's a pointless argument happening at each and every MLG. Just don't be too harsh because you only want to see one face of the game.
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On June 10 2013 11:54 triforks wrote:
this is freaking awesome.
with two organizations in the mix, the competition btwn each other should really raise the quality of production.
From the perspective of GOMTV, it is a little damage for them
But IMO, Blizzard seems wanted to OGN does quite of significant roles to increase Interesting of WCS in Korea
Since OGN is the TV station they has more advantages to widespread promote
However, it would be more variety to watch and it is more benefits from viewers position.
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It's just a shame that there are now so few tournaments in Korea each year. I would have preferred GOM and OGN having their own separate events to what we get now.
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How can this be awesome? It means that we get 50% less GSLs ffs.
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i still don't understand where to watch the OSL. it seems silly to pay a full rate to gom if OSL is doing code S this season.
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On June 11 2013 21:55 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 15:11 Noam wrote:
It won't be easy choosing between the OGN stream with DoA and crowd shots and great player-face zoom-ins, or the GOMTV stream with Tastosis and nothing else.
This choice was much easier for the WCS S1 finals with Apollo & Day9 and the lounge etc.
One of the main reasons I don't watch a lot of Proleague are the player-face zooms. Not only they interrupt me in watching the game during intense moments, they are also very, very visually disturbing ... Generally, the thing that I dislike the most about these tournaments is the "production" - the endelss delays, the awkward interviews, etc... I would like to just watch the games for gods sake! But this is just something that I have to live with, because the coutry with the most insanely childish style of production happens to be the one where good games are being played.
You are probably the only person on the planet who doesn't enjoy the face zooms.
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