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On June 01 2013 02:08 Schelim wrote:
well maybe the worst major tournament organization in sc2 will finally start fading away
see this is the kind of bitching that needs to stop. MLG is a part of WCS, thats where a large amount of their money is, thats why this is an open bracket with no reserved spots etc etc. This is purely an additional tournament MLG is doing and it's incredibly silly to condemn a tournament before the players/casters/venue etc has been mentioned. Personally I cant wait for it, gonna be some good games 
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MLG and NASL gave out around $570k last year. Now with WCS, NASL can't work and MLG is only focusing on WCS so actual MLG events will give out a total of $150k this year if the next MLGs keep this $25k prize pool. Good job Blizzard.
see this is the kind of bitching that needs to stop. MLG is a part of WCS, thats where a large amount of their money is, thats why this is an open bracket with no reserved spots etc etc. This is purely an additional tournament MLG is doing and it's incredibly silly to condemn a tournament before the players/casters/venue etc has been mentioned. Personally I cant wait for it, gonna be some good games
lol what? MLG's money is going towards WCS? I don't think so. That's Blizzard's money.
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So an open bracket in exchange for WCS points from Blizzard. Alright. Let's hope it wasn't announced too late.
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On June 01 2013 02:05 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 02:00 TeslasPigeon wrote:
The event seems decent enough, I wonder who they will invite to the tournament? I think it should be the top 4 from each region using WCS standings. They won't invite anyone. You'll see Joe Schmoes duking it out against mid-tier Koreans on foreign teams.
Someone isn't happy unless they invite all of the top Kespa players and seed the into the groups stage. Then we can watch them beat mid-teir Koreans and Joe Schmoes won't even bother showing up because its a waste of their time.
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On June 01 2013 02:05 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 01:58 sitromit wrote:On June 01 2013 01:55 Xoronius wrote:On June 01 2013 01:51 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 01:45 StarStruck wrote:On June 01 2013 00:09 PixelNite wrote:
Prizepool and number of broadcasted matches seems really low. Cool to see the event having WCS points on the line That was a given though for all majors. On June 01 2013 01:44 sitromit wrote:On June 01 2013 01:41 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 01:38 sitromit wrote:
So since they say they're "reaching out" to teams to see if they want reserved open bracket tickets and there are no invites, this means MLG isn't flying anyone in, no Kespa players, no Life, no Innovation, all we get is a few Koreans from EG and Liquid? Yeah. It's almost like its fair and doesn't give anyone special treatment. We'll see when the stream numbers roll in, what people really want to watch. Wanna bet if it'll reach the last final's numbers? I see nothing wrong with pampering legit pro gamers. If anything it should make them want to attend your events more. Players deserve to be treated well. I don't know if any of the top Korean players would be interested in slogging through the MLG open bracket. I don't know what MLG would need to go to get Innovation, Life and Flash to attend without offering to drop them directly into the group stage. WCS points. With Asus back, MLG back, IEM season starting in August, HSC and so on, european players, EGTL players and a few others will start gaining a lot of WCS points until the year ends. Life for example dropped out early in GSL in the first season, if he wants to reach the top 16 at the end of the year, he should attend a few international events. Only foreign teams send their players to foreign events on their own dime, Korean teams can't afford it. Another way for players on foreign teams to pad their WCS points with easier competitions, I guess. LGIM sent (correct past?) quite a few players to IEM´s last year, FXO had players at the last DH and AFAIK kespa teams should be richer than ESF ones. Also a player like Innovation or Life will most likely make more prize than his flight costs.
IEM is held at trade shows. IM was sending their players to do promotions there for their sponsors, I imagine the sponsors wanted and paid for it. That's why Mvp gave up his lower-bracket match in Korea WCS last year, because he had to go to IEM for sponsor obligations.
FXO is a foreign team.
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On June 01 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 02:05 sitromit wrote:On June 01 2013 02:00 TeslasPigeon wrote:
The event seems decent enough, I wonder who they will invite to the tournament? I think it should be the top 4 from each region using WCS standings. They won't invite anyone. You'll see Joe Schmoes duking it out against mid-tier Koreans on foreign teams. Someone isn't happy unless they invite all of the top Kespa players and seed the into the groups stage. Then we can watch them beat mid-teir Koreans and Joe Schmoes won't even bother showing up because its a waste of their time.
Or we can watch an exciting tournament with amazing games, like we had with ro16 onward of last MLG.
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On June 01 2013 01:22 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
It seems plausible that MLG does not see the same value in their events with WCS having such a big impact on the scene. They used to invest a lot into make their events happen. In case they feel they can't get the same out of them anymore then they aren't able to continue to invest money the same way either. It's not like you can actually blame MLG for that it may just be a completely justified response to the new landscape. Hopefully they manage to figure out a way to go back to their old production and player support.
Its more than WCS that changed the scene, the two other major operators in North America that used to host large scale SC2 events are no longer doing so. Not saying IPL/NASL stopping with SC2 is why MLG is dramatically reducing spending on their championship events, but its definitely more than just WCS that has made the 2013 NA SC2 scene different than the 2012 one.
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On June 01 2013 02:12 aike wrote:MLG and NASL gave out around $570k last year. Now with WCS, NASL can't work and MLG is only focusing on WCS so actual MLG events will give out a total of $150k this year if the next MLGs keep this $25k prize pool. Good job Blizzard. Show nested quote +see this is the kind of bitching that needs to stop. MLG is a part of WCS, thats where a large amount of their money is, thats why this is an open bracket with no reserved spots etc etc. This is purely an additional tournament MLG is doing and it's incredibly silly to condemn a tournament before the players/casters/venue etc has been mentioned. Personally I cant wait for it, gonna be some good games lol what? MLG's money is going towards WCS? I don't think so. That's Blizzard's money.
Did you ever think that $570 might have been to much money for what they were taking in? There is a point when prize pools are irresponsible. $25K is almost the exact same amount Dream Hack gave for their last event, with the same open bracket and fewer players(96 players).
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On June 01 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 02:05 sitromit wrote:On June 01 2013 02:00 TeslasPigeon wrote:
The event seems decent enough, I wonder who they will invite to the tournament? I think it should be the top 4 from each region using WCS standings. They won't invite anyone. You'll see Joe Schmoes duking it out against mid-tier Koreans on foreign teams. Someone isn't happy unless they invite all of the top Kespa players and seed the into the groups stage. Then we can watch them beat mid-teir Koreans and Joe Schmoes won't even bother showing up because its a waste of their time.
Do you actually want to watch Joe Schmoes play against Joe Schmoes or something? Because aside from your random assertion that the only alternative to ZERO INVITES is to invite EVERY KESPA player, you seem to just be arguing in favour of what will undoubtedly bring lower quality games.
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God damnit now I need to find a way to get some $$ to get to Anaheim... I love going to watch open brackets but if it was invite only then I wouldn't have needed to go D:.
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On June 01 2013 02:12 Pazuzu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 02:08 Schelim wrote:
well maybe the worst major tournament organization in sc2 will finally start fading away see this is the kind of bitching that needs to stop. MLG is a part of WCS, thats where a large amount of their money is, thats why this is an open bracket with no reserved spots etc etc. This is purely an additional tournament MLG is doing and it's incredibly silly to condemn a tournament before the players/casters/venue etc has been mentioned. Personally I cant wait for it, gonna be some good games
i don't care about any of that, i'm just kinda happy people are unhappy with something MLG is doing cause it might discourage them from staying in the sc2 scene. they clearly have no idea what this community wants and just generally are really, really bad at organizing their tournaments and/or don't give a fuck. i was honestly surprised when Blizzard gave them the rights to run WCS AM over NASL or even the IPL staff Blizzard had acquired.
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well... looking like a weak MLG. hopefully Im wrong
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On June 01 2013 02:12 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 02:05 Xoronius wrote:On June 01 2013 01:58 sitromit wrote:On June 01 2013 01:55 Xoronius wrote:On June 01 2013 01:51 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 01:45 StarStruck wrote:On June 01 2013 00:09 PixelNite wrote:
Prizepool and number of broadcasted matches seems really low. Cool to see the event having WCS points on the line That was a given though for all majors. On June 01 2013 01:44 sitromit wrote:On June 01 2013 01:41 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 01:38 sitromit wrote:
So since they say they're "reaching out" to teams to see if they want reserved open bracket tickets and there are no invites, this means MLG isn't flying anyone in, no Kespa players, no Life, no Innovation, all we get is a few Koreans from EG and Liquid? Yeah. It's almost like its fair and doesn't give anyone special treatment. We'll see when the stream numbers roll in, what people really want to watch. Wanna bet if it'll reach the last final's numbers? I see nothing wrong with pampering legit pro gamers. If anything it should make them want to attend your events more. Players deserve to be treated well. I don't know if any of the top Korean players would be interested in slogging through the MLG open bracket. I don't know what MLG would need to go to get Innovation, Life and Flash to attend without offering to drop them directly into the group stage. WCS points. With Asus back, MLG back, IEM season starting in August, HSC and so on, european players, EGTL players and a few others will start gaining a lot of WCS points until the year ends. Life for example dropped out early in GSL in the first season, if he wants to reach the top 16 at the end of the year, he should attend a few international events. Only foreign teams send their players to foreign events on their own dime, Korean teams can't afford it. Another way for players on foreign teams to pad their WCS points with easier competitions, I guess. LGIM sent (correct past?) quite a few players to IEM´s last year, FXO had players at the last DH and AFAIK kespa teams should be richer than ESF ones. Also a player like Innovation or Life will most likely make more prize than his flight costs. IEM is held at trade shows. IM was sending their players to do promotions there for their sponsors, I imagine the sponsors wanted and paid for it. That's why Mvp gave up his lower-bracket match in Korea WCS last year, because he had to go to IEM for sponsor obligations. FXO is a foreign team.
FXO might be a foreign team, but it still has world korean players, if they get send to MLG, it would be the highest quality of play you can get. IEM Katowice was not held at a convention and had IM players (First&Yoda) as well as other koreans (Parting&Dream) as well.
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On June 01 2013 02:15 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 02:05 sitromit wrote:On June 01 2013 02:00 TeslasPigeon wrote:
The event seems decent enough, I wonder who they will invite to the tournament? I think it should be the top 4 from each region using WCS standings. They won't invite anyone. You'll see Joe Schmoes duking it out against mid-tier Koreans on foreign teams. Someone isn't happy unless they invite all of the top Kespa players and seed the into the groups stage. Then we can watch them beat mid-teir Koreans and Joe Schmoes won't even bother showing up because its a waste of their time. Do you actually want to watch Joe Schmoes play against Joe Schmoes or something? Because aside from your random assertion that the only alternative to ZERO INVITES is to invite EVERY KESPA player, you seem to just be arguing in favour of what will undoubtedly bring lower quality games.
Yeah, that's all he's been posting about since this WCS news first came out. He's clamoring for some amazing Neeb vs Gowser action.
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Cool! I hope I can watch this!
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On June 01 2013 02:14 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 02:12 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 02:05 sitromit wrote:On June 01 2013 02:00 TeslasPigeon wrote:
The event seems decent enough, I wonder who they will invite to the tournament? I think it should be the top 4 from each region using WCS standings. They won't invite anyone. You'll see Joe Schmoes duking it out against mid-tier Koreans on foreign teams. Someone isn't happy unless they invite all of the top Kespa players and seed the into the groups stage. Then we can watch them beat mid-teir Koreans and Joe Schmoes won't even bother showing up because its a waste of their time. Or we can watch an exciting tournament with amazing games, like we had with ro16 onward of last MLG.
Nah, I can watch Kespa players beat on each other every week and on the GSL. That's pretty great already, why would I need more. There are all this north america talent I may not know about yet.
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On June 01 2013 01:56 Mansef wrote:
Blunder of the century, thanks Blizzard.
Explain why this is the blunder of the century.
People need to chill out, support then criticize after the event.
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this obviously comes down to the player list... question is, do I want to go watch live. Not sure.
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Glad that MLG has brought back the open bracket! This is a great opportunity for up and coming NA players.
I just feel like this is a step backward... Only having 1 stream is going to make it even harder to get coverage or notice to those up and coming guys. I don't know why they can't have streams like dreamhack does for the early rounds.
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On June 01 2013 02:09 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 02:06 ACrow wrote:On June 01 2013 02:00 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 01:58 sitromit wrote:On June 01 2013 01:55 Xoronius wrote:On June 01 2013 01:51 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 01:45 StarStruck wrote:On June 01 2013 00:09 PixelNite wrote:
Prizepool and number of broadcasted matches seems really low. Cool to see the event having WCS points on the line That was a given though for all majors. On June 01 2013 01:44 sitromit wrote:On June 01 2013 01:41 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2013 01:38 sitromit wrote:
So since they say they're "reaching out" to teams to see if they want reserved open bracket tickets and there are no invites, this means MLG isn't flying anyone in, no Kespa players, no Life, no Innovation, all we get is a few Koreans from EG and Liquid? Yeah. It's almost like its fair and doesn't give anyone special treatment. We'll see when the stream numbers roll in, what people really want to watch. Wanna bet if it'll reach the last final's numbers? I see nothing wrong with pampering legit pro gamers. If anything it should make them want to attend your events more. Players deserve to be treated well. I don't know if any of the top Korean players would be interested in slogging through the MLG open bracket. I don't know what MLG would need to go to get Innovation, Life and Flash to attend without offering to drop them directly into the group stage. WCS points. With Asus back, MLG back, IEM season starting in August, HSC and so on, european players, EGTL players and a few others will start gaining a lot of WCS points until the year ends. Life for example dropped out early in GSL in the first season, if he wants to reach the top 16 at the end of the year, he should attend a few international events. Only foreign teams send their players to foreign events on their own dime, Korean teams can't afford it. Another way for players on foreign teams to pad their WCS points with easier competitions, I guess. Also, Proleague exists and a bunch of the high level Korean players may not be willing to give up so much practice time for proleague. Getting people to fly across the world to compete in an event is hard when those players have their own shit going on. Maybe ProLeague should give out some WCS points, too. How would you give out WCS points to a team tournament? If you base it on teams winning, random B-teamers will get underserved points, if you give it out on performance, players have to rely on good draws/coach desicions. Also Proleague is invite-only, that alone make it impossible to give WCS points out on that.
There are ways to make it work, i.e. you could assign a certain amount of points to the winning team/playoff teams and have the team(s) decide how to distribute the points within it (so the team could have their ace get all the points, distribute it within their A-team, w/e; I'm sure the teams would use this to optimize their players' chances and not waste it on B-teamers).
Of course PL is not an open tournament, but did Blizz really say that they'll only hand points to open tournaments? That would mean the smaller Dreamhacks (Valencia, Katovice etc) or other inivte based tournaments wouldn't get any either. I'm not saying this is definitely what should be done, but it could be used to help Kespa players who lack the time due to PL get into the finals. Just throwing the idea out there
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