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On May 12 2013 11:41 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:38 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:34 skeldark wrote:On May 12 2013 11:32 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:29 skeldark wrote:So he stops gaming but try to defend his role as comunity guy / troll / joke. Because his gaming was unimportant in the past, basically nothing changed  Perhaps some of this fanbase leave the sc2 scene because of it, that would be a something. You see, you are one of the people he didn't apologize to. Because, why bother? Yes and? i really dont care what he thinks about me. Why do you care what he is thinking about me? have your own opinion for once. If you dont like what i write, just say it. You clearly care about something. Because if you didn't, you wouldn't be here. And what you said isn't true, but I don't feel the need to waste my time arguing with you about it. You know why? The same reason Idra did apologize to his haters. Why bother? I will never understand why people need idols to follow. You are an own person , you can come up with the decision yourself! Stop using other people to guide you what to bother about...
Same reason why we have mothers and fathers to follow. You don't become your own person out of nowhere. You have people who you look up to which makes you the person you are. I support IdrA because he was a good player and his personality was like mine. He didn't give a fuck about the drama. He only cared about his gameplay. I respect that deeply and its a valuable life thinking people should consider. Why care about drama? All you should care about is how you perform in life and in your job.
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On May 12 2013 11:42 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:29 skeldark wrote:So he stops gaming but try to defend his role as comunity guy / troll / joke. Did i get this right (vod was to boring to watch it fully) ? Because his gaming was unimportant in the past, basically nothing changed Perhaps some of this fanbase leave the sc2 gaming scene because of it, and move on to other e-sport scense. That would be not bad... I feel that the people who are supporting him are way more annoying then he is himself. his gaming was unimportant? how many big tournaments did he win? how many viewers did he draw in? How far did he get in GSL? how many drama, rivals he caused? he was one of the biggest foreigner hope. only an idiot can call his gaming history was unimportant. You are making me feel like haters are way more stupid than I even imagined. 
Ah...
you mix esport with gaming.
draw viewers or drama or rivals have nothing to do with gameing at all.
At he was unimportant for gaming for the last year allready.
BTW The modern use of the word "hater" was invented to label people that dont like what the speaker likes.
So it says more about the closed mindset of the guy who use it, than it says about the person he labels with it.
PS: banging your head against a wall because you dont understand something, will make it harder for you in future to understand things
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On May 12 2013 11:41 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:38 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:34 skeldark wrote:On May 12 2013 11:32 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:29 skeldark wrote:So he stops gaming but try to defend his role as comunity guy / troll / joke. Because his gaming was unimportant in the past, basically nothing changed Perhaps some of this fanbase leave the sc2 scene because of it, that would be a something. You see, you are one of the people he didn't apologize to. Because, why bother? Yes and? i really dont care what he thinks about me. Why do you care what he is thinking about me? have your own opinion for once. If you dont like what i write, just say it. You clearly care about something. Because if you didn't, you wouldn't be here. And what you said isn't true, but I don't feel the need to waste my time arguing with you about it. You know why? The same reason Idra did apologize to his haters. Why bother? I will never understand why people need idols to follow. You are an own person , you can come up with the decision yourself! Stop using other people to guide you what to bother about...
You confuse idols with entertainment. I don't need Idra to tell me you aren't worth getting into a debate with. I came to that all on my own. You're not here to discuss things, your here to troll. I'm not going to change your mind, so your not worth the effort to even try.
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hmm Maybe he could get onto a Korean team? or maybe not...
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On May 12 2013 11:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:41 skeldark wrote:On May 12 2013 11:38 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:34 skeldark wrote:On May 12 2013 11:32 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:29 skeldark wrote:So he stops gaming but try to defend his role as comunity guy / troll / joke. Because his gaming was unimportant in the past, basically nothing changed Perhaps some of this fanbase leave the sc2 scene because of it, that would be a something. You see, you are one of the people he didn't apologize to. Because, why bother? Yes and? i really dont care what he thinks about me. Why do you care what he is thinking about me? have your own opinion for once. If you dont like what i write, just say it. You clearly care about something. Because if you didn't, you wouldn't be here. And what you said isn't true, but I don't feel the need to waste my time arguing with you about it. You know why? The same reason Idra did apologize to his haters. Why bother? I will never understand why people need idols to follow. You are an own person , you can come up with the decision yourself! Stop using other people to guide you what to bother about... You confuse idols with entertainment. I don't need Idra to tell me you aren't worth getting into a debate with. I came to that all on my own. Your not here to discuss things, your here to troll. I'm not going to change your mind, so your not worth the effort to even try.
A post where you use " I " and not other persons to express your opinion.
Thats all i wanted.
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On May 12 2013 11:48 Scrubwave wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:46 achan1058 wrote:On May 12 2013 11:43 PassionFruit wrote:
He'll be a great caster. He's a hell of a lot better than most of the casters out there atm. Never heard his cast. Does it bring in his typical bias into it? No.
Actually now to think of it, I did heard his cast once, but that was way back in GSL Open Season 1. Well, as long as he does not think that cheese isn't a valid way to play in his cast, that's ok by my book.
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On May 12 2013 11:46 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:43 PassionFruit wrote:
He'll be a great caster. He's a hell of a lot better than most of the casters out there atm. Never heard his cast. Does it bring in his typical bias into it?
No. He's actually a really good caster. He's not biased in his casting. I know, crazy right? What makes him unique is that he's not afraid to acknowledge when a person makes dumb mistakes unlike most casters who (some have admitted) that they literally pretend mistakes or un-winnable situations are OK or still winnable for the sake of entertainment. Analytically, he's one of the best, if not the best.
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Hope does he reaches a level of casting to be one day be casting on GSL.
Wish him all the best in this endeavour.
It would truly a glorious end for Greg.
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Have him cast proleague. I'd definitely tune in for that.
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On May 12 2013 11:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
He spent three years trying to improve. What are you talking about? So much potential? You're acting like he just entered the scene and this loss was like his first. *Facepalm* Dumb people shouldn't post; it clogs up the forum.
OBVIOUSLY he plays a large number of raw games. The point is he doesn't go over his replays or put any determined effort into trying to evaluate his mistakes and improve on them. He hasn't spent a single week playing the game with the right attitude.
User was warned for this post
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On May 12 2013 11:46 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:42 ETisME wrote:On May 12 2013 11:29 skeldark wrote:So he stops gaming but try to defend his role as comunity guy / troll / joke. Did i get this right (vod was to boring to watch it fully) ? Because his gaming was unimportant in the past, basically nothing changed Perhaps some of this fanbase leave the sc2 gaming scene because of it, and move on to other e-sport scense. That would be not bad... I feel that the people who are supporting him are way more annoying then he is himself. his gaming was unimportant? how many big tournaments did he win? how many viewers did he draw in? How far did he get in GSL? how many drama, rivals he caused? he was one of the biggest foreigner hope. only an idiot can call his gaming history was unimportant. You are making me feel like haters are way more stupid than I even imagined. Ah... you mix esport with gaming. draw viewers or drama or rivals have nothing to do with gameing at all. At he was unimportant for gaming for the last year allready. BTW The modern use of the word "hater" was invented to label people that dont like what the speaker likes. So it says more about the closed mindset of the guy who use it, than it says about the person he labels with it.
he is an esport person. how can his gaming be separated from esport? his stream is even featured at TL being one of the most popular streamer. His normal gaming session is related to esport.
Yes, I am labelling you as a hater. Because you are the closed mind one. you, as a random person on TL, decided idra's "gaming" is unimportant based upon your own opinion. Unimportant to you doesn't make it unimportant to most or all. Not to mention you solely decided a professional gamer can seperate his gaming to esport.
Says a lot about the person who do action to make others to label him as a hater, right?
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On May 12 2013 11:53 Morlock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:41 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
He spent three years trying to improve. What are you talking about? So much potential? You're acting like he just entered the scene and this loss was like his first. *Facepalm* Dumb people shouldn't post; it clogs up the forum. OBVIOUSLY he plays a large number of raw games. The point is he doesn't go over his replays or put any determined effort into trying to evaluate his mistakes and improve on them. He hasn't spent a single week playing the game with the right attitude.
You're acting like you know he doesn't do that. People shouldn't be speculating on what he does or does not do. For all we know, he could be analyzing gameplay 24/7. Unfortunately, he hasn't gotten better in those three years.
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On May 12 2013 11:43 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:39 Defacer wrote:On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit. Well, that was part of IdrA's problem with his own image, right? At some point over the past year, his gameplay declined. There was a point early in SC2 that an IdrA fan could say, "Sure IdrA rages or is BM sometimes, but he's one of the top 3 foreigners in the world." The last year has been pretty tough for him, because he was becoming more popular for having a bad attitude (like Destiny) than actually being great at the game. Anyway, I'm glad he's going to move on from playing competitively and more to content-creation, which he genuinely sounds excited about. Its a good call for him and he does sound more excited about it. He does like his fans a lot and I think he is looking forward to focusing on them, rather than beating NA players on the ladder. Personally, I think he would make a ton of money with a subscription, playing games with fans and reviewing replays.
Yes. He could be the version of Day9 that swears more and doesn't mug at the camera constantly.
The more I think about it, the more I realize there really is a hole in the market for some solid, non-nonsense, comprehensive analysis. Like Mr. Bitter's original series where he was being coached by pro's.
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On May 12 2013 11:53 ETisME wrote:
Says a lot about the person who do action to make others to label him as a hater, right?
Not at all.
It only gives you information about the other persons.
Thats the point of such words that are invented to label people for having a different opinion.
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damn i have never been a fan of idra and most of the time wanted him to lose but its still sad to see him stop being a pro player, maybe he will change his mind and is just in shock right now..
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On May 12 2013 10:57 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:Apology at 11m 37sJP looks pissed. :o It has been awhile since I've seen him this pissed. Also, idrA thinks anyone who isn't a fan is a f*ck and should get out of the community. So much for that apology.
Wow, what a cop-out of an apology. A real man would know that saying "I get paid to treat you like shit, it's awesome" is indefensible but not only could Idra not bring himself to say the words "I'm sorry" ("I apologize" is just weak), he couldn't even bring himself to retract his statement. He's not a monster obviously but he's really shined a light on his childishness. No respect.
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On May 12 2013 11:31 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:25 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 12 2013 11:21 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:15 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 12 2013 11:04 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 10:57 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:Apology at 11m 37sJP looks pissed. :o It has been awhile since I've seen him this pissed. Also, idrA thinks anyone who isn't a fan is a f*ck and should get out of the community. So much for that apology. I'm all set. Why apologize to the people who only want to watch you fail? Because crowds attract crowds. When casuals enter a stream of a famous person, love or hate, they don't care, they just want to have a good time, they have expectations. There will always be more casual fans than there are die hard fans, more people who'll drop in because you're funny/rude/cool/etc. When you tell the people who *may* buy a product of your sponsor that they are stupid fucks and that you are paid to tell them they are stupid fucks, you just cut down your own audience by 80%. Proven after 80 years of American advertising/marketing industry's experience in viewer statistics. Yeah, I don't think he was every going to make you happy. There a lot of people who hate Idra with the fire of a nova and love to watch him fail. He is never going to apologize to those people, ever. And no reasonable person is every going to get upset about Idra not issuing a blanket apology. Personally, I love idrA when he's not choking. He is entertaining. But there comes a time when the smack talk starts sounding like what a sore loser would say, and personally, that time for idrA has come. The energy that goes into the negativity towards Idra is staggering. Fan posts make sense, they like the player and like talking about the player. Posting 100 times about shit you don't like has to be the biggest waste of time. Voice your complaint about something you like and want to improve, but don't be a mouthbreathing hater. It's the equivalent of complaining about stink while sitting in your own shit.
In every sport that I can think of anit-fans are the most entertaining. People ask me to watch english football games in the world cup with them because its entertaining to cheer each time one of them gets fouled, has a goal scored on them or being british, cheats in some way and gets away it. Anti fans rock.
Passionate fans of one group or institutions are a lot more fanatical and boring.
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On May 12 2013 11:57 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:43 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:39 Defacer wrote:On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit. Well, that was part of IdrA's problem with his own image, right? At some point over the past year, his gameplay declined. There was a point early in SC2 that an IdrA fan could say, "Sure IdrA rages or is BM sometimes, but he's one of the top 3 foreigners in the world." The last year has been pretty tough for him, because he was becoming more popular for having a bad attitude (like Destiny) than actually being great at the game. Anyway, I'm glad he's going to move on from playing competitively and more to content-creation, which he genuinely sounds excited about. Its a good call for him and he does sound more excited about it. He does like his fans a lot and I think he is looking forward to focusing on them, rather than beating NA players on the ladder. Personally, I think he would make a ton of money with a subscription, playing games with fans and reviewing replays. Yes. He could be the version of Day9 that swears more and doesn't mug at the camera constantly. The more I think about it, the more I realize there really is a hole in the market for some solid, non-nonsense, comprehensive analysis. Like Mr. Bitter's original series where he was being coached by pro's.
God I miss those days. How to defend a 2 rax as zerg. Close positions Metalopolis.
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On May 12 2013 11:57 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:43 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:39 Defacer wrote:On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit. Well, that was part of IdrA's problem with his own image, right? At some point over the past year, his gameplay declined. There was a point early in SC2 that an IdrA fan could say, "Sure IdrA rages or is BM sometimes, but he's one of the top 3 foreigners in the world." The last year has been pretty tough for him, because he was becoming more popular for having a bad attitude (like Destiny) than actually being great at the game. Anyway, I'm glad he's going to move on from playing competitively and more to content-creation, which he genuinely sounds excited about. Its a good call for him and he does sound more excited about it. He does like his fans a lot and I think he is looking forward to focusing on them, rather than beating NA players on the ladder. Personally, I think he would make a ton of money with a subscription, playing games with fans and reviewing replays. Yes. He could be the version of Day9 that swears more and doesn't mug at the camera constantly. The more I think about it, the more I realize there really is a hole in the market for some solid, non-nonsense, comprehensive analysis. Like Mr. Bitter's original series where he was being coached by pro's.
It is so true, learning to play SC2 or learning a new build is such a chore today. Apollo does a good show, but it still runs a little long. I would love a show that just got down to brass tax and started right and was in and out in 15 minutes. Then you back into SC2, trying the build out and practicing.
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