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On May 12 2013 12:02 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:57 Defacer wrote:On May 12 2013 11:43 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:39 Defacer wrote:On May 12 2013 11:31 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:
People should be held accountable more for how the play rather than what they say. The more I see these comments, the more this community disappoints. I'm starting to realize that the "few" may be the majority. Fine. While you guys pansy over what a player said or who his friends are, I'm going to be analyzing his gameplay. True sports and e-sports fans wouldn't care about drama. They'd just care about good games. If people stopped caring about drama, then stupid shit like this wouldn't have to happen. This community has truly gone to shit. Well, that was part of IdrA's problem with his own image, right? At some point over the past year, his gameplay declined. There was a point early in SC2 that an IdrA fan could say, "Sure IdrA rages or is BM sometimes, but he's one of the top 3 foreigners in the world." The last year has been pretty tough for him, because he was becoming more popular for having a bad attitude (like Destiny) than actually being great at the game. Anyway, I'm glad he's going to move on from playing competitively and more to content-creation, which he genuinely sounds excited about. Its a good call for him and he does sound more excited about it. He does like his fans a lot and I think he is looking forward to focusing on them, rather than beating NA players on the ladder. Personally, I think he would make a ton of money with a subscription, playing games with fans and reviewing replays. Yes. He could be the version of Day9 that swears more and doesn't mug at the camera constantly. The more I think about it, the more I realize there really is a hole in the market for some solid, non-nonsense, comprehensive analysis. Like Mr. Bitter's original series where he was being coached by pro's. God I miss those days. How to defend a 2 rax as zerg. Close positions Metalopolis.
Yeah. God, Zerg versus anything used to be a nightmare. Thank god Mr. Bitter was there to get us through that shit.
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On May 12 2013 11:59 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:53 ETisME wrote:
Says a lot about the person who do action to make others to label him as a hater, right? Not at all. It only gives you information about the other persons. Thats the point of such words that are invented to label people for having a different opinion.
Talk all you want about different opinions, we know why you are here. You want to voice your negative opinion about Idra because you dislike him. You will use win/lose records, attitude and other reasons to justify that opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that you are only here to be negative for the sake of doing so. You don't want to discuss anything, you just want to say negative things and passive aggressively argue with people who disagree with you.
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On May 12 2013 11:59 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:53 ETisME wrote:
Says a lot about the person who do action to make others to label him as a hater, right? Not at all. It only gives you information about the other persons. Thats the point of such words that are invented to label people for having a different opinion.
I think you are failing at understanding my point...
My point is not about the word hater, but the action/mindset of yours make other people label you as a "hater" should tells you something. It says a lot about YOU, not us.
We merely make label on what we read from your comments.
An example. If you are a girl and shouting "you hate meat eater", we label you as "a vegetarian female"
You stated something based upon your own opinion, "gaming not esport", "unimportant", something about fans annoying than him etc.
I would label you as hater.
If you said something that is more fact based like his tournament results were getting worse etc, then you aren't being as biased and close minded as you did
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On May 12 2013 11:52 Savant wrote:
Have him cast proleague. I'd definitely tune in for that.
"Here's Effort. He's doing a horrible job microing against this drop. I used to play with him. He's overrated."
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On May 12 2013 12:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:59 skeldark wrote:On May 12 2013 11:53 ETisME wrote:
Says a lot about the person who do action to make others to label him as a hater, right? Not at all. It only gives you information about the other persons. Thats the point of such words that are invented to label people for having a different opinion. Talk all you want about different opinions, we know why you are here. You want to voice your negative opinion about Idra because you dislike him. You will use win/lose records, attitude and other reasons to justify that opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that you are only here to be negative for the sake of doing so. You don't want to discuss anything, you just want to say negative things and passive aggressively argue with people who disagree with you.
No. Like i said in my first post, i dont want to express my negative opinion about idra.
I want to express my negative opinion about people who call them self his fans. people like you.
And yes. I posted that for the positive sake of doing so.
A negative comment is not negativ if you are against something that is negative.
You see it depends on the position.
I just wanted to make a positive statement for gaming,
aware of that most people here have a negative view on it and more like /drama/e-sports site of it.
You and me are part of this community but look on it from a total different site.
Im here for sc2 and gaming, NOT for e-sport / viewers / rivals / story-line / drama.
Idra is a person who symbol the 2. part.
Thats one reason many people dont like him.
Its not all about him personal its about what he symbols.
Its two different directions in the same scene.
I must admit tho, that your direction is more powerful right now on TL.
On May 12 2013 12:09 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:59 skeldark wrote:On May 12 2013 11:53 ETisME wrote:
Says a lot about the person who do action to make others to label him as a hater, right? Not at all. It only gives you information about the other persons. Thats the point of such words that are invented to label people for having a different opinion. I think you are failing at understanding my point... My point is not about the word hater, but the action/mindset of yours make other people label you as a "hater" should tells you something. It says a lot about YOU, not us. We merely make label on what we read from your comments. An example. If you are a girl and shouting "you hate meat eater", we label you as "a vegetarian female" You stated something based upon your own opinion, "gaming not esport", "unimportant", something about fans annoying than him etc. I would label you as hater. If you said something that is more fact based like his tournament results were getting worse etc, then you aren't being as biased and close minded as you did
I understand that.
The word basicly say that i am not a part of their movement/ idea / mindset.
It also shows that this group hates (thats why the use the word because for them , different opinion = hate) everyone with a different opinion.
So all information you get about the person thats labeld a "hater" is : he have an diffrent opionen.
The information you get about the one who say "hater" is: He blindly connect hate with different opinion, assuming this is a normal comparison.
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On May 12 2013 12:18 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 12:08 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:59 skeldark wrote:On May 12 2013 11:53 ETisME wrote:
Says a lot about the person who do action to make others to label him as a hater, right? Not at all. It only gives you information about the other persons. Thats the point of such words that are invented to label people for having a different opinion. Talk all you want about different opinions, we know why you are here. You want to voice your negative opinion about Idra because you dislike him. You will use win/lose records, attitude and other reasons to justify that opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that you are only here to be negative for the sake of doing so. You don't want to discuss anything, you just want to say negative things and passive aggressively argue with people who disagree with you. No. Like i said in my first post, i dont want to express my negative opinion about idra. I want to express my negative opinion about people who call them self his fans. people like you. And yes. I posted that for the positive sake of doing so. A negative comment is not negativ if you are against something that is negative. You see it depends on the position. I just wanted to make a positive statement for gaming, aware of that most people here have a negative view on it and more like /drama/e-sports site of it. You and me are part of this community but look on it from a total different site. Im here for sc2 and gaming, NOT for e-sport / viewers / rivals / story-line / drama. Idra is a person who symbol the 2. part. Thats one reason many people dont like him. Its not all about him personal its about what he symbols. Its two different directions in the same scene. I must admit tho, that your direction is more powerful right now on TL.
without esport made possible by pro, viewers and sponsors, where are you going to get all the cool builds and micro from?
sc2 and gaming are inter related with esports etc, how can you just separate the two?
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On May 12 2013 12:12 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 11:52 Savant wrote:
Have him cast proleague. I'd definitely tune in for that. "Here's Effort. He's doing a horrible job microing against this drop. I used to play with him. He's overrated."
When IdrA casted for GSL a few times way back when he was actually very good and professional. I'd love to have him casting Proleague.
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I know it will never happen, but I want to know which sponsors 'went against IdrA'. I'm a big fan of EG and IdrA, so I would like to support 'the right sponsors' - AKA the ones that didn't want him to get fired/didn't care about his statement.
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On May 12 2013 12:24 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 12:18 skeldark wrote:On May 12 2013 12:08 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:59 skeldark wrote:On May 12 2013 11:53 ETisME wrote:
Says a lot about the person who do action to make others to label him as a hater, right? Not at all. It only gives you information about the other persons. Thats the point of such words that are invented to label people for having a different opinion. Talk all you want about different opinions, we know why you are here. You want to voice your negative opinion about Idra because you dislike him. You will use win/lose records, attitude and other reasons to justify that opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that you are only here to be negative for the sake of doing so. You don't want to discuss anything, you just want to say negative things and passive aggressively argue with people who disagree with you. No. Like i said in my first post, i dont want to express my negative opinion about idra. I want to express my negative opinion about people who call them self his fans. people like you. And yes. I posted that for the positive sake of doing so. A negative comment is not negativ if you are against something that is negative. You see it depends on the position. I just wanted to make a positive statement for gaming, aware of that most people here have a negative view on it and more like /drama/e-sports site of it. You and me are part of this community but look on it from a total different site. Im here for sc2 and gaming, NOT for e-sport / viewers / rivals / story-line / drama. Idra is a person who symbol the 2. part. Thats one reason many people dont like him. Its not all about him personal its about what he symbols. Its two different directions in the same scene. I must admit tho, that your direction is more powerful right now on TL. without esport made possible by pro, viewers and sponsors, where are you going to get all the cool builds and micro from? sc2 and gaming are inter related with esports etc, how can you just separate the two?
Builds and micro was out there long time before e-sport...
I think what you want to say is:
With the money and people concentrate on it full time, you see better mirco and better builds.
So gaming improves by e-sport.
Thats correct to a certain degree.
The question is : Is the "known best" not good enough.
When our micro and builds would be a bit worse but are the best we know. Would it be less fun to watch?
Besite that, you mention one of the 2 ONLY positive aspects of e-sport to gaming.
The 2. one is the amount of different streams you can watch where people gameing.
Perhaps its not about e-sport in general its about the view on it.
What is the top topic in the sc2 scene? a new build or a way to micro or the drama about an player get fired?
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On May 12 2013 12:26 IcedBacon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 12:12 Defacer wrote:On May 12 2013 11:52 Savant wrote:
Have him cast proleague. I'd definitely tune in for that. "Here's Effort. He's doing a horrible job microing against this drop. I used to play with him. He's overrated." When IdrA casted for GSL a few times way back when he was actually very good and professional. I'd love to have him casting Proleague.
I know, I know, I'm just being silly.
IdrA would be by far the best player that ever commentated though. It would be hilarious to hear him talk about players that he hits on ladder on a regular basis.
"Here's Minigun. He's going to do a 2-base all-in, like he always does. His style is .... interesting."
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On May 12 2013 12:18 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 12:08 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:59 skeldark wrote:On May 12 2013 11:53 ETisME wrote:
Says a lot about the person who do action to make others to label him as a hater, right? Not at all. It only gives you information about the other persons. Thats the point of such words that are invented to label people for having a different opinion. Talk all you want about different opinions, we know why you are here. You want to voice your negative opinion about Idra because you dislike him. You will use win/lose records, attitude and other reasons to justify that opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that you are only here to be negative for the sake of doing so. You don't want to discuss anything, you just want to say negative things and passive aggressively argue with people who disagree with you. No. Like i said in my first post, i dont want to express my negative opinion about idra. I want to express my negative opinion about people who call them self his fans. people like you. And yes. I posted that for the positive sake of doing so. A negative comment is not negativ if you are against something that is negative. You see it depends on the position. I just wanted to make a positive statement for gaming, aware of that most people here have a negative view on it and more like /drama/e-sports site of it. You and me are part of this community but look on it from a total different site. Im here for sc2 and gaming, NOT for e-sport / viewers / rivals / story-line / drama. Idra is a person who symbol the 2. part. Thats one reason many people dont like him. Its not all about him personal its about what he symbols. Its two different directions in the same scene. I must admit tho, that your direction is more powerful right now on TL.
So you here for the sole purpose of being negative and to pick a fight with people who like Idra, like I said. It doesn't matter what "elitist" reasoning you use to justify it. You can here to be a dick and pick fights. We all understand and if you could just move along, it would be pretty cool.
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On May 12 2013 12:26 Foxwolf wrote:
I know it will never happen, but I want to know which sponsors 'went against IdrA'. I'm a big fan of EG and IdrA, so I would like to support 'the right sponsors' - AKA the ones that didn't want him to get fired/didn't care about his statement.
He said that was the same sponsors from onemoregame.
![[image loading]](http://www.onemoregame.tv/images/stories/lo3slider2_re.png)
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On May 12 2013 12:28 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 12:26 IcedBacon wrote:On May 12 2013 12:12 Defacer wrote:On May 12 2013 11:52 Savant wrote:
Have him cast proleague. I'd definitely tune in for that. "Here's Effort. He's doing a horrible job microing against this drop. I used to play with him. He's overrated." When IdrA casted for GSL a few times way back when he was actually very good and professional. I'd love to have him casting Proleague. I know, I know, I'm just being silly. IdrA would be by far the best player that ever commentated though. It would be hilarious to hear him talk about players that he hits on ladder on a regular basis. "Here's Minigun. He's going to do a 2-base all-in, like he always does. His style is .... interesting."
The funny part is that I have heard all of these in some form or another. Personally, I love Idra's super dry humor while casting. The best was a match in the EG-Masters Cup:
DJWheat: So what do you think morrow's plan is right now, how is he going to respond to these double upgrades.
Idra: Oh, he is just going to go and kill him in two minutes, that is a super risky, greed build for terran.
Two minutes later, GG.
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On May 12 2013 12:34 Spectreman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 12:26 Foxwolf wrote:
I know it will never happen, but I want to know which sponsors 'went against IdrA'. I'm a big fan of EG and IdrA, so I would like to support 'the right sponsors' - AKA the ones that didn't want him to get fired/didn't care about his statement. He said that was the same sponsors from onemoregame.
He also never said they told EG to fire him.
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On May 12 2013 12:26 Foxwolf wrote:
I know it will never happen, but I want to know which sponsors 'went against IdrA'. I'm a big fan of EG and IdrA, so I would like to support 'the right sponsors' - AKA the ones that didn't want him to get fired/didn't care about his statement.
I wouldn't take that point of view at all and I would keep supporting those sponsors. Remember that Idra is friends with almost every member of EG and DJWheat, all who are supported by those sponsors. He wouldn't want to see people stop supporting his friends just because he got let go from the team.
They also did him a favor. He seems way more excited about what he is going to be doing than staying on EG.
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On May 12 2013 12:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 12:18 skeldark wrote:On May 12 2013 12:08 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:59 skeldark wrote:On May 12 2013 11:53 ETisME wrote:
Says a lot about the person who do action to make others to label him as a hater, right? Not at all. It only gives you information about the other persons. Thats the point of such words that are invented to label people for having a different opinion. Talk all you want about different opinions, we know why you are here. You want to voice your negative opinion about Idra because you dislike him. You will use win/lose records, attitude and other reasons to justify that opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that you are only here to be negative for the sake of doing so. You don't want to discuss anything, you just want to say negative things and passive aggressively argue with people who disagree with you. No. Like i said in my first post, i dont want to express my negative opinion about idra. I want to express my negative opinion about people who call them self his fans. people like you. And yes. I posted that for the positive sake of doing so. A negative comment is not negativ if you are against something that is negative. You see it depends on the position. I just wanted to make a positive statement for gaming, aware of that most people here have a negative view on it and more like /drama/e-sports site of it. You and me are part of this community but look on it from a total different site. Im here for sc2 and gaming, NOT for e-sport / viewers / rivals / story-line / drama. Idra is a person who symbol the 2. part. Thats one reason many people dont like him. Its not all about him personal its about what he symbols. Its two different directions in the same scene. I must admit tho, that your direction is more powerful right now on TL. So you here for the sole purpose of being negative and to pick a fight with people who like Idra, like I said. It doesn't matter what "elitist" reasoning you use to justify it. You can here to be a dick and pick fights. We all understand and if you could just move along, it would be pretty cool.
If you never pick fights, and stay only in areas where all people have the same opionen you have,
you will never change your opionen and never become an more intelligent person.
When i pick fights, im hoping that perhaps someone of you would come up with an good argument that would give me a different new view on it.
Sadly i dont see any good arguments coming right now.
So you are right. I will move on...
Perhaps however i changed your opinion a tiny, tiny bit and you guys think about, that label every one that have a different opinion as "hater" and/or ask him to leave, will not help in the long run.
It only makes sure you are trapped in one corner you once choose.
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On May 12 2013 12:35 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 12:28 Defacer wrote:On May 12 2013 12:26 IcedBacon wrote:On May 12 2013 12:12 Defacer wrote:On May 12 2013 11:52 Savant wrote:
Have him cast proleague. I'd definitely tune in for that. "Here's Effort. He's doing a horrible job microing against this drop. I used to play with him. He's overrated." When IdrA casted for GSL a few times way back when he was actually very good and professional. I'd love to have him casting Proleague. I know, I know, I'm just being silly. IdrA would be by far the best player that ever commentated though. It would be hilarious to hear him talk about players that he hits on ladder on a regular basis. "Here's Minigun. He's going to do a 2-base all-in, like he always does. His style is .... interesting." The funny part is that I have heard all of these in some form or another. Personally, I love Idra's super dry humor while casting. The best was a match in the EG-Masters Cup: DJWheat: So what do you think morrow's plan is right now, how is he going to respond to these double upgrades. Idra: Oh, he is just going to go and kill him in two minutes, that is a super risky, greed build for terran. Two minutes later, GG.
It's why IdrA gets so much love as a caster. Unlike other commentators *cough HD/Painuser cough* he usually makes great reads.
People make fun of IdrA for gg'ing too early (and as a player getting paid to compete, it's deserved), but it's actually astonishing how accurate he is at predicting the outcome of situations 2 to 3 minutes in advance.
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On May 12 2013 12:39 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 12:32 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 12:18 skeldark wrote:On May 12 2013 12:08 Plansix wrote:On May 12 2013 11:59 skeldark wrote:On May 12 2013 11:53 ETisME wrote:
Says a lot about the person who do action to make others to label him as a hater, right? Not at all. It only gives you information about the other persons. Thats the point of such words that are invented to label people for having a different opinion. Talk all you want about different opinions, we know why you are here. You want to voice your negative opinion about Idra because you dislike him. You will use win/lose records, attitude and other reasons to justify that opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that you are only here to be negative for the sake of doing so. You don't want to discuss anything, you just want to say negative things and passive aggressively argue with people who disagree with you. No. Like i said in my first post, i dont want to express my negative opinion about idra. I want to express my negative opinion about people who call them self his fans. people like you. And yes. I posted that for the positive sake of doing so. A negative comment is not negativ if you are against something that is negative. You see it depends on the position. I just wanted to make a positive statement for gaming, aware of that most people here have a negative view on it and more like /drama/e-sports site of it. You and me are part of this community but look on it from a total different site. Im here for sc2 and gaming, NOT for e-sport / viewers / rivals / story-line / drama. Idra is a person who symbol the 2. part. Thats one reason many people dont like him. Its not all about him personal its about what he symbols. Its two different directions in the same scene. I must admit tho, that your direction is more powerful right now on TL. So you here for the sole purpose of being negative and to pick a fight with people who like Idra, like I said. It doesn't matter what "elitist" reasoning you use to justify it. You can here to be a dick and pick fights. We all understand and if you could just move along, it would be pretty cool. If you never pick fights, and stay only in areas where all people have the same opionen you have, you will never change your opionen and never become an more intelligent person. If i pick fights im hoping that perhaps someone of you would come up with an good argument that would give me a different new view on it. Sadly i dont see any good arguments coming right now. So you are right. I will move on... Perhaps however i changed your opinion a tiny, tiny bit and you guys think about, that label every one that have a different opinion as "hater" and/or ask him to leave, will not help in the long run. It only makes sure you are trapped in one corner you once chosed.
Nope, you didn't move me at all. I didn't find any of your points about compelling or interesting. And there is a reason why you aren't seeing any good arguments. It's because you aren't worth the effort.
And if you are looking for new points of views on a given subject, you should try listening or reading, rather than picking a fight with people. Generally it works out better.
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