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On May 09 2013 09:06 Holy_AT wrote:
Does every loss trigger this, only ladder games or when you get BMed ?
How do you feel when playing ?
And what exactly is triggering it ?
Just loosing cant be the reason because you will always loose a game when you play a bunch, and I doubt that you explode everyday.
Imagine a situation in real live where you actually felt beeing cheated or humiliated, how did you react there ? Did it also enrage you ?
Not every loss. In fact, I can lose 3-4 in a row and not rage. It's when I go on a losing streak, or lose in a way that I know I shouldn't have.
In real life if I feel I've been cheated, wronged, or humiliated, I redouble my efforts to prove to the other person that they made a mistake, or atone for the mistake that I've made.
Maybe part of the problem is that I have no chance to atone for a loss on the ladder against an opponent. It's something to think about.
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On May 09 2013 09:13 Lauriel wrote:
To everyone saying "quit and get professional help," thank you for your input, but I'm not going to respond, simply because it's a last resort, and I'm looking for solutions that will prevent me from going to that end. I also don't have the money for professional help, and have no interest in talking to a psychiatrist about gaming rage that they probably don't understand to begin with.
Again, thank you for the input though. It is noted. You dont need professional help, you just need a readjustment cognitively, how you view the situation. That can be done entirely on your own. Find practice partners [people you actually like] and play against them. Yes, you will probably still scream and get mad at them, or sign off after a loss, etc. But eventually it will stop being a competition between you and your friend(s), and instead be a relatively stress free example of practice. It honestly does help even when playing strangers.
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You should talk to a mental health professional because you're probably deeply insecure / performance anxiety prone.
/EDIT/ Just the fact that you presume they wouldn't understand is remarkable. I'm sure you could discuss to help contextualize your anger in a way they would understand, even if they don't get all the gaming terms. Many docs have worked with military personnel, athletes, etc. They understand the concept of competition. I don't know what the goal of this thread is. I'm never surprised at the amount of discourse on the internet that basically boils down to: "Help me with this issue!" "potential solution" "No I won't do that solution !"
Personally I just chill.
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On May 09 2013 09:13 Lauriel wrote:
To everyone saying "quit and get professional help," thank you for your input, but I'm not going to respond, simply because it's a last resort, and I'm looking for solutions that will prevent me from going to that end. I also don't have the money for professional help, and have no interest in talking to a psychiatrist about gaming rage that they probably don't understand to begin with.
Again, thank you for the input though. It is noted.
it's something that has an obvious negative effect on you. you already know what the easiest solution is, which is to quit. it doesn't sound like you enjoy winning, if the only thing you feel is relief. there's no reason you can't be a casual observer but just not play.
also i think it's a misconception that a therapist won't understand gaming rage. it sounds like you're afraid that they'll belittle your hobby and dismiss gaming altogether. that's not really what a psychotherapist does. they're not there to give you answers, but to try to get you to understand yourself, and to understand why you rage, and from there you can take your own steps to decrease your rage. if you're a student there are university services for this.
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You should get some professional help and take an anger management class. Starcraft isn't the real issue here and you probably have some underlying things that need to be resolved.
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On May 09 2013 09:16 Chessz wrote:
You should talk to a mental health professional because you're probably deeply insecure / performance anxiety prone.
Personally I just chill.
My job is in the performance business. It's not that. 
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On May 09 2013 08:56 qxc wrote:
I've generally found my rage to be highly correlated with what I do before I begin practice. A few basic questions
Also to the above poster - I don't think finding another hobby would help this. It's a competitive rage - so unless you want to stop competing for the rest of your life it's something to be overcome and solved.
Are you sleeping enough?
Are you destressing before you begin playing?
Are you eating enough / properly?
Are you exercising regularly?
There's more but these are the most obvious. If you take care of yourself before and after you play - you'll not only play better but rage less if you do lose.
best of luck
Well, from my perspective, another hobby might just well be the solution. For me, I have played Starcraft 2 on a somewhat competitive level(high masters) ever since it came out and until about 5 months ago when I took a break. I never had any rage moments that compelled me to shout out loud or curse or such a thing. Always when I lost I could identify the mistake and simply move on. I may have had the game run through my head all night because of a simple mistake I made, and that would perhaps upset me a little, but no visible rage whatsoever, and no real discomfort. But then playing a game like Dota or HoN, the story is altogether different, in my case at least. Then I can curse & shout out loud quite a bit because of my frustration with _others_ and their mistakes (presumed by me). As such, I conclude that in my case it is way more beneficial to my mindset, and thus perhaps health, to play a 1vs1 competitive game than a 5vs5 one (especially if in the 5v5 you are generally playing as a solo player with 4 random people. It's not really bad when you're just playing with your mates).
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On May 09 2013 09:18 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 09:13 Lauriel wrote:
To everyone saying "quit and get professional help," thank you for your input, but I'm not going to respond, simply because it's a last resort, and I'm looking for solutions that will prevent me from going to that end. I also don't have the money for professional help, and have no interest in talking to a psychiatrist about gaming rage that they probably don't understand to begin with.
Again, thank you for the input though. It is noted. it's something that has an obvious negative effect on you. you already know what the easiest solution is, which is to quit. it doesn't sound like you enjoy winning, if the only thing you feel is relief. there's no reason you can't be a casual observer but just not play. also i think it's a misconception that a therapist won't understand gaming rage. it sounds like you're afraid that they'll belittle your hobby and dismiss gaming altogether. that's not really what a psychotherapist does. they're not there to give you answers, but to try to get you to understand yourself, and to understand why you rage, and from there you can take your own steps to decrease your rage. if you're a student there are university services for this.
Without going terribly into detail, I've had enough dealings with therapists to know that it's not an option I wish to pursue (and these dealings weren't as a patient, fyi).
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Ok I'm gonna make my edit a new post:
Just the fact that you presume they wouldn't understand is remarkable. I'm sure you could discuss to help contextualize your anger in a way they would understand, even if they don't get all the gaming terms. Many docs have worked with military personnel, athletes, etc. They understand the concept of competition. I don't know what the goal of this thread is. I'm never surprised at the amount of discourse on the internet that basically boils down to: "Help me with this issue!" "potential solution" "No I won't do that solution !"
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Dude, you're 27 ? You seriously need guidance if this is how you are acting. Quit starcraft and see a psychologist.
To everyone saying "quit and get professional help," thank you for your input, but I'm not going to respond, simply because it's a last resort, and I'm looking for solutions that will prevent me from going to that end.
....Wait, so you make a long post seeking advice, people give you advice, and you turn around and say "im not going to respond". Figure it out by yourself then.
Without going terribly into detail, I've had enough dealings with therapists to know that it's not an option I wish to pursue (and these dealings weren't as a patient, fyi).
You already have dismissed it as an option without even trying it? Go as a patient.
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Fenrax
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How often do these rage fits come in average? daily? weekly? monthly? every 1/4 year?
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Sometimes I get a bit upset when I lose, but what helps is to remember this.
Nobody in NA is good in this game. Just be humbled and play.
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On May 09 2013 09:23 Fenrax wrote:
How often do these rage fits come in average? daily? weekly? monthly? every 1/4 year?
Losing a lot makes me mad, but fits of rage probably only happen a few times a month.
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If you're not mad when you lose, then the game wasn't worth playing. Take your rage out in other ways though.
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On off days when i play poorly i can have similar problems. I have broken more than a few keyboards, mice, monitors etc. Not only being worried about my pocketbook but also the damage i can do to my hands i tried to find a way to help this.
One of my roommates suggested that i focus all this energy into something as simple as doing push ups. Having all the pent up energy is the reason things always go south for me, so just exhausting it all into the ground (mind you best pushups i ever do) helps release the energy from the body; in essence grounding yourself.
Hardest part is always catching myself on the initial desire to slam my keyboard.
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On May 09 2013 09:23 cactusjack914 wrote:Dude, you're 27 ? You seriously need guidance if this is how you are acting. Quit starcraft and see a psychologist. Show nested quote +To everyone saying "quit and get professional help," thank you for your input, but I'm not going to respond, simply because it's a last resort, and I'm looking for solutions that will prevent me from going to that end. ....Wait, so you make a long post seeking advice, people give you advice, and you turn around and say "im not going to respond". Figure it out by yourself then.
Seriously. If a large number of people offered the suggestion of getting pro help, in response to the details given in the OP, wouldn't you take it seriously? Most people can't offer other "alternative solutions" because they don't experience such abnormal behavior/displays. For those people a proper solution might be to take breaks, play unranked, stream to your friends/get feedback etc.
For OP THO, it's obvious you should get some help. So that's why we're telling you. You can go ahead and "not respond" (is anyone sensing an immaturity underneath OP's writing?) but.. why even make the topic to begin with then?
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Those who have recommended exercise as a way of relieving the stress sounds promising to me, as I'm in relatively good shape and actually used to do pushups and crunches regularly. It sounds like a good opportunity to get back to it.
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Usually I take control before I lose control. When I sense I'm about to lose my shit, I pause and consciously try to control my emotions. I also mentally list the risks and rewards of indulging my anger (which is obviously incredibly skewed towards not hulking out). Taking a break also works.
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On May 09 2013 09:28 Chessz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 09:23 cactusjack914 wrote:Dude, you're 27 ? You seriously need guidance if this is how you are acting. Quit starcraft and see a psychologist. To everyone saying "quit and get professional help," thank you for your input, but I'm not going to respond, simply because it's a last resort, and I'm looking for solutions that will prevent me from going to that end. ....Wait, so you make a long post seeking advice, people give you advice, and you turn around and say "im not going to respond". Figure it out by yourself then. Seriously. If a large number of people offered the suggestion of getting pro help, in response to the details given in the OP, wouldn't you take it seriously? Most people can't offer other "alternative solutions" because they don't experience such abnormal behavior/displays. For those people a proper solution might be to take breaks, play unranked, stream to your friends/get feedback etc. For OP THO, it's obvious you should get some help. So that's why we're telling you. You can go ahead and "not respond" (is anyone sensing an immaturity underneath OP's writing?) but.. why even make the topic to begin with then?
Don't misunderstand. My not responding has nothing to do with not seeing the validity of the opinion. I'd just like to avoid it if I can, and there's not much to say in response to it. I understand that it's a very real option, but I'm looking for alternative solutions first.
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I've never acted out physically or verbally as a result of losing streaks, but I do feel pretty bad. However, I never have this type of feeling playing against my friends, even if I lose 20 games in a row (literally).
I think you should try to avoid ladder for a while. For the next fortnight or two, only play against friends. See if that helps! I find that after I've played and practiced very specifically with friends, ladder has pretty much no emotional hold over me. It's even better now that you can load up a replay with your friend and go over the game together on Skype!
EDIT: I'm going to add another vote for regular exercise. When I'm exercising regularly (cycling 150-200 miles/week), every aspect of my life seems to go more smoothly. I'm more productive and energetic at work, happier with my friends and roommates, etc etc. Exercise does wonders for your brain chemistry.
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