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On May 09 2013 03:58 Pokebunny wrote:
I don't understand this phenomenon. Nobody is saying you have to play. You have no obligation. You should do what you find fun. If you're not tempted to press the find match button, clearly you're not having fun..
Its the problem with being given both responsibility and culpability. It's not Starcraft2 related but is a human reaction when you give someone something that feels too "big" for them to handle.
For example, when I walk on the edge of a sidewalk, I don't feel like I will fall into the street. but if I walked on the edge of a rooftop, I will feel like I will fall to the ground. The mechanics for both is the same, but the consequences for both are highly different.
If your quality of skill is judge based on your performance--then you fear having a bad performance because it directly relates to your quality as a player within the social network of the SC2 ladder.
SC2 being a competitive game for competitive people, most players don't like the idea of "settling for mediocre" and hence feel bad that they're only [below masters] and their failures feel amplified and their successes feel minuscule.
Because playing matches against friends *feels* different than playing matches against the ladder.
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If I need to motivate myself to play a game, then it's probably not a game I'm going to be playing.
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Sometimes what I do when I feel kinda like playing SC2 and kinda don't is try to find a playstyle that's different from my own (3 base ultras, phoenix PvT etc) and still looks like lots of fun, go learn the basic timings, then make my goal on ladder that day to find out how to best execute it.
This makes Starcraft more fun in the short term, and in the long-term I feel it's beneficial because I can learn different styles, increasing my repertoire and maybe even finding something I want to go back to repeatedly
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My motivation drops when I compare it to DotA/Hon. But when I get to a certain level in Hon/DotA I want to go back to sc2. Since sc2 is induvidual play. Hard to keep doing one game all the time.
But honestly: Sometimes it feels like it is impossible to reach GM without cheesing to an extent of really trying to win many games without practising at the same time.
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I've been facing this same problem for quite a while now. For me it's simply too difficult to play a game because the loss feels really discouraging. Maybe it's that I don't quite understand HotS yet or maybe it's just because I don't find it that enjoyable anymore. As a Protoss player, for some reason, I simply don't find SCII to be that fun anymore.
However, I love being a spectator and those sort of things. SCII will still be one of my most favorite games to watch and definitely my most favorite E-Sport. Heck, spectating gets me into the game, so I suppose my answer would be that if you are having a rough time finding the energy to play, take a while off just to watch some castings and what not.
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Love for game followed closely by Money. Honest truth. Or hope for future money.
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Don't let that rank stop you from playing. Guess what, none gives a shit about your rank. Just play to have fun and improve. You definately won't get better from just sitting there.
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i open my 3gig collection of boxer images and view them in a slide show as i open up a fresh bottle of vaseline. after fiddling for a bit i get so excited that i must own some noobs in sc2.
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On May 09 2013 04:26 Ballack wrote:
Don't let that rank stop you from playing. Guess what, none gives a shit about your rank. Just play to have fun and improve. You definately won't get better from just sitting there.
Poker is also easy until you have your life savings on the table. The mechanics don't change but the *pressure* to win does. In the end, this is all in the mind and some people have better strength than others.
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I find team games after some intense 1v1s is a great way to just play casually. And I'm not talking 2s, I'm talking 4s.
Then you can jump back into 1s after a break
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On May 09 2013 02:30 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 02:06 o29 wrote:On May 09 2013 01:52 Dfgj wrote:
If I'm not already motivated I don't play. It's not a job. The problem with these kind of replies is the failure to realize that just because someone does not want to play at first, does not mean that the person won't find themselves having fun after a game or two. But that satisfaction that you get from winning a game isn't going to be there when you first queue a game up. If the process of playing doesn't motivate a person to do it on its own merit, then a way to force motivation is just a band-aid over the fact they don't enjoy the game. People aren't goldfish, they can remember the satisfaction of winning and playing if it's there for them at all.
The lack of motivation is like a mild form of ladder anxiety, and it stems from not being guaranteed victory. Your individual games may not be inherently fun; after enough games, practically all of the enjoyment comes from the competitive aspect, or more specifically, winning. Saying that I therefore do not "enjoy" the game is semantics, as you seem to be implying that the competitive component of the game is not an integral part of it.
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On May 09 2013 03:58 Pokebunny wrote:
I don't understand this phenomenon. Nobody is saying you have to play. You have no obligation. You should do what you find fun. If you're not tempted to press the find match button, clearly you're not having fun..
Lol, this.
If you are lacking motivation to play computer games, then go do something valuable with your time?
Now if you are tired or angry and afraid you won't play well, that is what team games and unranked are for, but to be honest I have been wishing that I could lose my motivation to play for the past 15 years...
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On May 09 2013 00:26 oGsTrueSmug wrote:
Play 10 decent games or so, lose to a Protoss or Zerg who are mechanically a league below me but have the race to prop them up, get tired of game, repeat next day.
If you are losing to someone who has shit mechanics, than you actually don't know how to play.
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I wish I had your problem!
How do you motivate yourself to NOT to play starcraft!!!
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If you feel like you should be playing more than you are and have trouble wanting to play, you are either putting to much pressure on your results or you simply don't enjoy the game as much as you used to. Perhaps take a break--if you really love the game, you will want to come back. If not, you'll find something else to do with your time.
It's normal to feel guilty for playing too much. Unless gaming is your job, you shouldn't feel guilty for playing too little :D
I have switched from SC2 to Dota 2 almost entirely. Maybe when the honeymoon is over I'll play some SC2, but for now, if there is not something I need to be doing RIGHT THIS MINUTE, I'm playing Dota 2. No motivation needed.
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On May 09 2013 04:52 ThePianoDentist wrote:
I wish I had your problem!
How do you motivate yourself to NOT to play starcraft!!!
play 25nr against very easy AI! at some point you run out of ideas and get bored !
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I usually get motivated when i watch pros doing something awsome, then i want to play myself =)
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Where in the op did it say "feel free to discuss whether it's right or wrong to take Starcraft 2 seriously". Lots of posts like that which are very pointless. If you guys don't "get" the entire ladder anxiety and the will to get good, why do you post here? How serious players take a game is their own business and based on their opinion, not yours. What's so hard to get?
On topic: I don't know how to get rid of it, and it's tougher if i win a few games to motivate myself to play another. Sometimes i can spam games, sometimes i can't!
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I played so that one day I might be-able to get GM
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If you can't find a goal that lies behind that practice/ladder session you will reach nothing, because many times during that you will discover you are forcing yourself, pretending to train.
The other thing is, if you can't find a "fun" in practicing it will most likely fail.
Professional gamers most of the time reached the state they don't conciously have fun from playing a game as a whole, they garner the fun in details, or in achievements / feats of strenght. This is more like artisan honing his art, it can be tied to an ego and self-esteem as well.
Compare two mind-sets one is casual one is determined to do better. Both are having fun.
In case of Starcraft that would be:
Casual gamer "I made 4gate all-in, i crushed this silver-scrub" Feel of Contentment
Aspiring pro-gamer "My 4gate was done in x:xx time, and i hit him well, however he scouted my pylon, next time i will think for a better position blabla". Feel of wanting more and more.
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