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Congratz to both parties!
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On May 05 2013 08:08 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 08:06 snam wrote:On May 05 2013 07:56 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 07:52 Fluffboll wrote:On May 05 2013 07:47 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 07:43 Uncultured wrote:On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote:
On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome. This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for. That makes sense. On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote:On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote:
On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome. Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill. Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly. Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad. I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition. Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so. No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense.
Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
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On May 05 2013 08:12 snam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 08:08 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 08:06 snam wrote:On May 05 2013 07:56 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 07:52 Fluffboll wrote:On May 05 2013 07:47 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 07:43 Uncultured wrote:On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote:
On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome. This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for. That makes sense. On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote:On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote:
On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome. Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill. Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly. Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad. I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition. Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so. No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense. Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end?
It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
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Yay! been regularly watching her stream, congrats!
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Well, she's got on Academy team; so it's not like she is on a pro team, yet.
Now, my bit to the topic - it's again the issue of (let's not kid ourselves, right) pretty women being picked up like that. Don't want to be upset or hate on the girl in question, as I do not know her; it's more like the whole notion of such pickup, and it tells me wrong message: "Be a cute girl with a huge stream following & you get an awesome opportunity like that", so let's be honest here - if a random Masters guy or a girl like me, or hell, you, and you there, asked to be part of this Academy project, would they take him/her? I kind of doubt it. Even though there are people, who'd love nothing more than to practice in a well-established academy team; with solid guidance like Quantic no doubt can provide. It's literally a dream of many StarCraft II passionate people.
I personally feel this is one of the hardest struggles of this community & it shows each time some woman is openly announced on a renown team, even if it's "just" Academy. I wish it was more about this passion, rather than, you know, always about being a girl or whatever else, which is equally insignificant as someone's gender or appearance.
But, my hopes are still high and I want to try staying positive, because there's enough negativity as it is, in this community. I have nothing but than respect for Maddelisk, Flo & Scarlett; they've been working hard & showed their passion for the game & they have been accepted by the community, even though it took them quite a while to not be looked down upon. I wish Kaitlyn the same; to work hard and spread the love of the game. Because in the end, that's what matters the most.
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CANADA! CANADA! CANADA!
Okay fanboying aside this'll be kinda cool. Will she be joining Quantic in their team house?
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On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote:
On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome. Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent This applies even more to the post above mine.
So what about the other 100's of mid masters, where is there academy invite? Might as well just pick up tumescentpie
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Hard working player, would not be surprised to see her hit GM before most other people who get on team academies. Grats
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As per usual the 'hur she's purty' fucking bollocks here. It's only an academy pickup and it's not as if she's getting muchos money.
Good luck to her, hopefully Quantic can market her competently unlike some of their previous female pickups.
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On May 05 2013 08:14 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 08:12 snam wrote:On May 05 2013 08:08 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 08:06 snam wrote:On May 05 2013 07:56 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 07:52 Fluffboll wrote:On May 05 2013 07:47 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 07:43 Uncultured wrote:On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote:
On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome. This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for. That makes sense. On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote:On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote:
On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome. Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill. Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly. Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad. I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition. Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so. No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense. Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end? It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no.
Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic.
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wow! Electrical Engineering! that takes some gonads to do, alot of my mates do that at uni and it is an incredible amount of work!
on topic though, I watched her stream from time to time back in WoL and in HOTS, she seems like she knows what she is doing so should be cool to see how she can further improve in a team environment.
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On May 05 2013 08:25 IntoTheheart wrote:
CANADA! CANADA! CANADA!
Okay fanboying aside this'll be kinda cool. Will she be joining Quantic in their team house?
We have a team house? :O
TIL
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Northern Ireland27368 Posts
On May 05 2013 08:46 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 08:14 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 08:12 snam wrote:On May 05 2013 08:08 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 08:06 snam wrote:On May 05 2013 07:56 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 07:52 Fluffboll wrote:On May 05 2013 07:47 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 07:43 Uncultured wrote:On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote:
On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome. This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for. That makes sense. On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote:On May 05 2013 07:41 SlixSC wrote:
On a philosophical level, I really don't like this. Gender equality should be about equality of opportunity not equality of outcome. Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill. Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly. Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad. I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition. Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so. No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense. Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end? It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no. Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic.
Rofl. What a joke.
Men are recruited due to their prominent role in other capacities, yes. Is Kaitlyn in that bracket? Had people for the most part even heard of her before this pickup?
She can grow into such roles for sure, as things stand I doubt very much that she was picked up for being a prominent community figure
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Holy shit, Quantic picked up someone for their Academy team who is not only a decent player but has a personality and good people skills! It must entirely be about her gender. (/sarcasm)
Congrats to Kaitlyn, she's been working hard to improve and she's had to do it while politely ignoring all of the asshats and trolls in her stream audience. Yeah, she's a girl. So what? She can still zerg-stomp 99% of the people that will bitch about her gender and she does it with typical Canadian aplomb. Hopefully she can concentrate on getting even better with the help of Quantic Academy and move up to the main team.
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On May 05 2013 08:52 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 08:46 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 05 2013 08:14 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 08:12 snam wrote:On May 05 2013 08:08 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 08:06 snam wrote:On May 05 2013 07:56 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 07:52 Fluffboll wrote:On May 05 2013 07:47 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 07:43 Uncultured wrote:
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This isn't about gender equality it's about publicity. They didn't hire her to get more females on the team, they did it to get attention. Which I'm all for. That makes sense. On May 05 2013 07:44 Fluffboll wrote:
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Or maybe she's actually good and a proper prospect for the Academy team to fully develop her talent Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill. Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly. Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad. I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition. Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so. No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense. Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end? It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no. Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic. Rofl. What a joke. Men are recruited due to their prominent role in other capacities, yes. Is Kaitlyn in that bracket? Had people for the most part even heard of her before this pickup? She can grow into such roles for sure, as things stand I doubt very much that she was picked up for being a prominent community figure
why are you rolling on the floor laughing? Just because YOU never heard of her doesn`t mean she wasn`t there. They have the same amount of followers on their twitch streams... just over 6k. And she has been streaming for less time. They also have the same amount of followers on twitter.
You`re just another sexist spewing false information.
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Why don't pick Flo as well?
Congrats to Kait, she looks hot
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Hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I hope she is a real women, not like some other canadians. :D
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On May 05 2013 08:57 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 08:52 Wombat_NI wrote:On May 05 2013 08:46 TRaFFiC wrote:On May 05 2013 08:14 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 08:12 snam wrote:On May 05 2013 08:08 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 08:06 snam wrote:On May 05 2013 07:56 SlixSC wrote:On May 05 2013 07:52 Fluffboll wrote:On May 05 2013 07:47 SlixSC wrote:
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That makes sense.
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Oh, please. This isn't about skill, there are several thousand players who are better than her. Don't delude yourself into thinking that the recruitment was the result of skill.
Well aren't you aggressive. I merely put forward an idea that isn't that far out of the realm of possibility. Besides talent isn't directly equal to current skill. A good scout will detect a talent before he/she has become something so they can foster that talent correctly. Now I don't know anything about this player but people are so quick to jump on to the rage-train and it is quite sad. I don't really see how I am raging here, but ok. All I'm saying is that there are several thousand players out there who are working just as hard as her (and some even harder) and are better than her who have not been given the same chance she has been given. You are basically ignoring several thousand players who are better than her just so you can hang on to some outlying possibility that she might have been the best candidate based on skill. I'm sorry but that is delusional by definition. Do you think she should turn this opportunity down because you claim there are thousands of people more suited to the job than her? Does her being picked up by an academy hinder all of these other thousand people from working hard and eventually get noticed? I don't think so. No and that's not what I said. Of course she should take the opportunity, but people shouldn't pretend that this is anything more than a publicity stunt. I initially assumed that this was about gender equality, a publicity stunt however makes by far the most sense. Isn't all team pick-ups for publicity in the end? It's a combination of skill and publicity when it comes down to male gamers, it's publicity when it comes down to female gamers. So yes and no. Holy shit, you need to be banned. While you`re banned, read up on sexism because you are clearly a sexist. You`re speaking out of your ass. You have no idea what her role will be on the team. I feel the need to point out the obvious to you. Men are also recruited due to their prominent role in the community through streaming etc. Look no further than Quantic Nathanias. Stop trying to disguise your hate mongering as logic. Rofl. What a joke. Men are recruited due to their prominent role in other capacities, yes. Is Kaitlyn in that bracket? Had people for the most part even heard of her before this pickup? She can grow into such roles for sure, as things stand I doubt very much that she was picked up for being a prominent community figure why are you rolling on the floor laughing? Just because YOU never heard of her doesn`t mean she wasn`t there. They have the same amount of followers on their twitch streams... just over 6k. And she has been streaming for less time. They also have the same amount of followers on twitter. You`re just another sexist spewing false information.
You dont have the same opinion, clearly he is a sexist and needs to be banned.
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On May 05 2013 08:38 oOOoOphidian wrote:
Hard working player, would not be surprised to see her hit GM before most other people who get on team academies. Grats
Have you played against her? I've never heard of her before, but that isn't too uncommon since she is probably more of a "oh I played against her that one time," kind of recognition, and I'm not at that level of play. I guess she did hit masters on her own, which does show that she is actively playing and working on bettering her game.
EDIT: apparently she streams a lot, that would explain that. Sorry for my ignorance D:.
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