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mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
April 30 2013 21:42 GMT
#381
On May 01 2013 06:39 Plansix wrote:
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On May 01 2013 06:35 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:32 Deadlift wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:25 ROOTKane wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 03:03 ROOTKane wrote:
Hey just to let you know, believe is tanking his account for some reason; just gave me 3 free wins for some reason... not like i asked for them or anything


Yeah we're checking his match history to see if anyone has disproportionately benefited from this.

No idea why he's doing that, if he wanted out of GM he can just leave.


henry and a couple others have said that it's so that he can have a really good winrate at the beginning of next season (his MMR will be so low that he'll go on a large winning streak vs bronzies)


Yes I just confirmed with him via chat, apparently it makes him look better as a coach....

I'd prefer if he didn't do that by fucking with the ladder.


That is so ridiculous.


It isnt ridiculous, its just very, very sad.

And confusing. A players win rate might be like the 15th thing I look at when choosing a coach. The first thing I would look at is if they were an idiot or an ass. But I guess he has a plan.


you might not want believe as a coach then; he is both an idiot and an ass.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 30 2013 21:46 GMT
#382
Those who gained wins from Believe will not be penalized since it was outside of their control
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
dr.fahrenheit
Profile Joined January 2013
Austria101 Posts
April 30 2013 22:12 GMT
#383
Shoutcraft America made watching streams (and I guess laddering in general) considerably more interesting and exiting the past few days...
The nice thing is, that even the streams of 'medium' GMs get more fun to watch because sometimes they manage to take away a win from a favorite which might cost them a spot in the tournament.

Thank you Intricacy & TB. Way to save the ladder. (you actually managed to entertain people with SCA before it even began... that has to be a first)
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
April 30 2013 22:21 GMT
#384
On April 30 2013 17:23 Ghanburighan wrote:
Apparently there has been match-fixing on the NA ladder.

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As the qualification period for the SHOUTcraft America tournament enters its final stage, ladder position now matters more than ever. While this has brought competition to the ladder it has also brought less above-board methods to ensure that player ladder rank remains intact. We have uncovered evidence that some players have been engaging in forced-draws in order to maintain their ladder rank. Several players within the top 16 have multiple ties on their match history in which the build order clearly indicates that both players consenting to a mutual draw in order to maintain their ladder rankings.

This is probably our fault, we did not specifically prohibit this behavior, however we think it is clear to see that it is against the spirit of the competition. Since we did not outline regulations against this behavior, we will be offering a one time amnesty for it. Win-trading and forced draws are against the qualification rules for SHOUTcraft America. Ladder points must be accrued in a legitimate fashion, by beating the opponent fair and square. We should also remind players that the account they are playing on must belong to them and any boosting to the account being done by players other than the primary user of said account, is against the qualification rules. Blizzard is working with us to individually verify each account and needless to say they have logged all IP addresses used to access these accounts. If it is found that multiple players have played on the account in order to rank it up during the qualification period then that account will be subject to disqualification.

The win-trading and the forced draws stop right now. There will be zero tolerance for this behavior going forward. Those ladder points are not worth your qualification spot, do not risk being disqualified.


I'm not certain how I feel about the amnesty. It's clearly against Blizzard policy and, imo, it warrants disqualification. There should be a strong deterrent policy against cheating. And as the points reflected on the ladder today, 1 day before the deadline, have been accrued by cheating, they should not count.


Man, isn’t anyone else incredibly disappointed in this? I realise that whenever money gets involved it can motivate people to do things they normally wouldn’t, and for other, maybe less established players, this could be their one big shot at breaking into the pro-scene and will do anything to get there. But come on guys, win trading? Force drawing? Have a little fucking dignity. The whole “wasn’t in the rules” argument really doesn’t cut it (although as said there won’t be any repercussions for this one time), what were these un-named individuals thinking? That cheating so brazenly would be acceptable means to qualify for a tournament? And it is brazen because the match history logs so much damn information.

I guess some people will think I’m overreacting, I probably am, but cheating is just one of those things that really makes my blood boil. The only thing worse than a cheater is one gets caught so easily.

Regardless, there’s obviously going to be problems in the beginning (in this case, not accounting for the need of certain rules, ect) however I actually think that in the long run a tournament like this may make Grandmaster league so much more meaningful. Up until now GM has been little more than a glorfied ego boost, and cynics would say it’s basically a private league for hackers and stream-snipers. Now there’s actual incentive for it, it’s no longer a case of, “k, you made GM, end-of-the-line. Try Kr server”. Also it may (and I kind of am reaching here) prompt Blizzard to actually be more proactive in regulating the GM league. If it is been used as a means to help people qualify for a tournament, (a tournament that is possibly paying a commission to Blizzard), surely it’ll be in Blizzards interest to take a stance against all the proven hackers who are there with no other purpose than purely to sabotage the legitimate players? But hey, one step at a time.
bongling
Profile Joined March 2013
41 Posts
April 30 2013 22:29 GMT
#385
whens this ladder season end? still planning on doing a sort of countdown show?
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
April 30 2013 22:35 GMT
#386
should get demuslim for that, since he can't qualify anyway yet he has the very high MMR
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 30 2013 22:36 GMT
#387
On May 01 2013 07:35 Grumbels wrote:
should get demuslim for that, since he can't qualify anyway yet he has the very high MMR


3k posts and hasn't learned how to read the rules yet o_o
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
April 30 2013 22:38 GMT
#388
On May 01 2013 07:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 07:35 Grumbels wrote:
should get demuslim for that, since he can't qualify anyway yet he has the very high MMR


3k posts and hasn't learned how to read the rules yet o_o

the rules say demus can't do a countdown show? link plz.
nothing
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
April 30 2013 22:54 GMT
#389
On May 01 2013 07:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 07:35 Grumbels wrote:
should get demuslim for that, since he can't qualify anyway yet he has the very high MMR


3k posts and hasn't learned how to read the rules yet o_o

what did I do wrong?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 22:55:48
April 30 2013 22:55 GMT
#390
On May 01 2013 07:54 Grumbels wrote:
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On May 01 2013 07:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 07:35 Grumbels wrote:
should get demuslim for that, since he can't qualify anyway yet he has the very high MMR


3k posts and hasn't learned how to read the rules yet o_o

what did I do wrong?


Disregard that, since you didn't quote anybody I was confused about what you said. My fault.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 23:09:25
April 30 2013 23:04 GMT
#391
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to be playing at this point (not sure when her break starts).... Otherwise I would guess one of the Root dudes

edit. Apparently she doesnt have an account in the top 25, I just assumed she did.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
April 30 2013 23:06 GMT
#392
On May 01 2013 08:04 Darpa wrote:
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to playing at this point (not sure when her break starts)....


Unless Scarlett is one of the three Barcode Zergs in top25 she doesn't have an account high enough on NA server.
You need to construct additional pylons.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 23:07:23
April 30 2013 23:06 GMT
#393
Lord henry zheng crushing faces, as usual and expected.
On May 01 2013 08:06 Fluffboll wrote:
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On May 01 2013 08:04 Darpa wrote:
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to playing at this point (not sure when her break starts)....


Unless Scarlett is one of the three Barcode Zergs in top25 she doesn't have an account high enough on NA server.



I bet you that's that crafty hendralisk too. His record was like 90-20, that barcode is similar, ya? That's my guess~
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Gabriel_reaper
Profile Joined December 2006
Czech Republic41 Posts
April 30 2013 23:08 GMT
#394
On May 01 2013 08:04 Darpa wrote:
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to be playing at this point (not sure when her break starts).... Otherwise I would guess one of the Root dudes


Scarlett AFAIK isn't even in NA ladder. So no chance for her.
Broken english FTW.
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
April 30 2013 23:08 GMT
#395
On May 01 2013 08:06 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 08:04 Darpa wrote:
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to playing at this point (not sure when her break starts)....


Unless Scarlett is one of the three Barcode Zergs in top25 she doesn't have an account high enough on NA server.


Oh wow, and the cutoff is May 1st, shame. She could level one in a couple of days, but it may be too late.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Gabriel_reaper
Profile Joined December 2006
Czech Republic41 Posts
April 30 2013 23:13 GMT
#396
On May 01 2013 08:08 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 08:06 Fluffboll wrote:
On May 01 2013 08:04 Darpa wrote:
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to playing at this point (not sure when her break starts)....


Unless Scarlett is one of the three Barcode Zergs in top25 she doesn't have an account high enough on NA server.


Oh wow, and the cutoff is May 1st, shame. She could level one in a couple of days, but it may be too late.



Ladder is locked for a week or so. So If anybody wasn't GM from beggining he was cut off.
It will be aparently mended with season two which will be announced with much more time to grind
Broken english FTW.
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
April 30 2013 23:27 GMT
#397
A good time to have at least 1 hand, be American and play Terran... Top 6 in NA, all Terran players. More Terran players in the top 6 than there are Toss players in the top 30. Dis game...
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
April 30 2013 23:45 GMT
#398
On May 01 2013 08:27 playa wrote:
A good time to have at least 1 hand, be American and play Terran... Top 6 in NA, all Terran players. More Terran players in the top 6 than there are Toss players in the top 30. Dis game...


Never before has such originality and analytic perception been displayed in a TL post. Brava!
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 23:49:09
April 30 2013 23:48 GMT
#399
On May 01 2013 06:42 ROOTKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 06:39 Plansix wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:35 KalWarkov wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:32 Deadlift wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:28 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:25 ROOTKane wrote:
On May 01 2013 06:23 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 01 2013 03:03 ROOTKane wrote:
Hey just to let you know, believe is tanking his account for some reason; just gave me 3 free wins for some reason... not like i asked for them or anything


Yeah we're checking his match history to see if anyone has disproportionately benefited from this.

No idea why he's doing that, if he wanted out of GM he can just leave.


henry and a couple others have said that it's so that he can have a really good winrate at the beginning of next season (his MMR will be so low that he'll go on a large winning streak vs bronzies)


Yes I just confirmed with him via chat, apparently it makes him look better as a coach....

I'd prefer if he didn't do that by fucking with the ladder.


That is so ridiculous.


It isnt ridiculous, its just very, very sad.

And confusing. A players win rate might be like the 15th thing I look at when choosing a coach. The first thing I would look at is if they were an idiot or an ass. But I guess he has a plan.


you might not want believe as a coach then; he is both an idiot and an ass.


yeah my god though he's so hilarious LOL. Everytime his gateway all in/immortal all in fails "zerg imbalanced!". Funniest thing rofl. God I hate that guy.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Maker
Profile Joined November 2010
Mexico85 Posts
May 01 2013 00:11 GMT
#400
On May 01 2013 08:06 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2013 08:04 Darpa wrote:
Easy money for Scarlett if she is still going to playing at this point (not sure when her break starts)....


Unless Scarlett is one of the three Barcode Zergs in top25 she doesn't have an account high enough on NA server.


as far as i know scarlett is one of those barcode players
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