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This just feels really odd to me, but I guess speculating without knowing the details is pretty pointless. It seems to be an alright show either way, so why not.
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On April 25 2013 06:03 Artosis wrote:
VOD/MP3 links on the front page!
Wtf, they now added a "+" to the 301 viewers? I really enjoeyed watching people being confused... -.-
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Kinda sucks that they went their seperate ways.
I think the most interesting thing will be how long this show stays on the "air". Artosis has made many different types of shows in the past which normally don't go past 10 episodes.
I think if he does the same here, it will make him look quite silly.
I do hope his show does well though. I don't really follow these types of shows anymore as there is so many and I find them to be quite boring nowadays.
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On April 25 2013 05:39 BathTubNZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 01:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
I get everyone things this is a carbon copy of SOTG, but why would Catz, TheOgnis and Moonglade follow Artosis? His name has weight, but more than the sever ties with JP?
I think there's more to this than we think, if anything it's just politics and showbusiness. Catz discussed it on reddit, they all agreed independantly to appear and didn't know who else was on until 10 minutes before the show started. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1czyqs/thought_process_behind_the_meta_show/c9lnvb9Show nested quote +I love JP, Dan approached me to join him on Meta and I was happy to agree to it, I love Dan. Details on why they split is entirely not my place to comment on and either way, I know jackshit about it and I think its hardly relevant. After Dan approached me to be on the show with him this week, JP approached me to be on SotG, I was happy to agree and let him know I was gonna be in Artosis show in case there was any issue with that. There wasn't, mOOnglaDe and Theognis were contacted by Dan, I didn't know what the lineup was until the call started 10 minutes prior to the show, funnily enough we all had sepparetly agreed to be on both shows this week, without knowing who the other guests on either show would be, it was a pleasant surprise to find theo and andy in the call, but it also made me feel a bit 'guilty' because I realized the lineup was the same as SotG, msg'd JP and made sure we're cool which we are and we agreed we'd love to work together again in the future, as for SotG, I am not sure what will happen, truth is speculating isn't cool, I am sure that both Dan and JP have their side of the story for whatever reason they decided to sepparate, i'll be happy to be a guest on either show whenever invited, perhaps not both on the same week to not be redundant and boring to the audience. Anyways bottom line is, Artosis and JP are both awesome and I consider them both friends, mOOnglade, theognis and myself don't really "own" either show, we're happy to participate because its a nice platform to voice our opinions, talk about shit we all love, have a good time and get some good exposure while at it, you guys should stop reading too much into it, speculation on who did what and why is gonna get you nowhere, watch a show, watch both, watch none, that's all up to you. Unless either Dan or JP decide to release a statement i'd say just stir away from speculation, it does nothing but to create unnecessary tension and a shitty atmosphere.
nice to see some clarification. class act by catz to let JP know first.
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Not a bad first show. Hopefully subsequent episodes focus even more on strategy talk. I do understand it's unavoidable to talk about strats and meta without at least SOME tournament talk.
On April 25 2013 06:25 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 05:39 BathTubNZ wrote:On April 25 2013 01:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
I get everyone things this is a carbon copy of SOTG, but why would Catz, TheOgnis and Moonglade follow Artosis? His name has weight, but more than the sever ties with JP?
I think there's more to this than we think, if anything it's just politics and showbusiness. Catz discussed it on reddit, they all agreed independantly to appear and didn't know who else was on until 10 minutes before the show started. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1czyqs/thought_process_behind_the_meta_show/c9lnvb9I love JP, Dan approached me to join him on Meta and I was happy to agree to it, I love Dan. Details on why they split is entirely not my place to comment on and either way, I know jackshit about it and I think its hardly relevant. After Dan approached me to be on the show with him this week, JP approached me to be on SotG, I was happy to agree and let him know I was gonna be in Artosis show in case there was any issue with that. There wasn't, mOOnglaDe and Theognis were contacted by Dan, I didn't know what the lineup was until the call started 10 minutes prior to the show, funnily enough we all had sepparetly agreed to be on both shows this week, without knowing who the other guests on either show would be, it was a pleasant surprise to find theo and andy in the call, but it also made me feel a bit 'guilty' because I realized the lineup was the same as SotG, msg'd JP and made sure we're cool which we are and we agreed we'd love to work together again in the future, as for SotG, I am not sure what will happen, truth is speculating isn't cool, I am sure that both Dan and JP have their side of the story for whatever reason they decided to sepparate, i'll be happy to be a guest on either show whenever invited, perhaps not both on the same week to not be redundant and boring to the audience. Anyways bottom line is, Artosis and JP are both awesome and I consider them both friends, mOOnglade, theognis and myself don't really "own" either show, we're happy to participate because its a nice platform to voice our opinions, talk about shit we all love, have a good time and get some good exposure while at it, you guys should stop reading too much into it, speculation on who did what and why is gonna get you nowhere, watch a show, watch both, watch none, that's all up to you. Unless either Dan or JP decide to release a statement i'd say just stir away from speculation, it does nothing but to create unnecessary tension and a shitty atmosphere. nice to see some clarification. class act by catz to let JP know first.
Pretty sure everyone is inventing drama where there isn't any to be had, anyway. It just seems to me that Artosis wanted SotG to be more about the game itself and less on the community drama, so he just decided to make his own show in order to do that. There's plenty of room in the scene for both shows, imo.
edit: I accidentally some spelling
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Just watched the VOD. Some good quality stuff right there. Really nice with all races being represented and all regions (kinda with EU) too.
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oh btw, I would love to have Apollo and Artosis in the same show dropping strategy knowledge...
Everyone watching would instantly have GM level game knowledge 
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On April 25 2013 05:59 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 05:49 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 05:39 BathTubNZ wrote:On April 25 2013 01:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
I get everyone things this is a carbon copy of SOTG, but why would Catz, TheOgnis and Moonglade follow Artosis? His name has weight, but more than the sever ties with JP?
I think there's more to this than we think, if anything it's just politics and showbusiness. Catz discussed it on reddit, they all agreed independantly to appear and didn't know who else was on until 10 minutes before the show started. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1czyqs/thought_process_behind_the_meta_show/c9lnvb9I love JP, Dan approached me to join him on Meta and I was happy to agree to it, I love Dan. Details on why they split is entirely not my place to comment on and either way, I know jackshit about it and I think its hardly relevant. After Dan approached me to be on the show with him this week, JP approached me to be on SotG, I was happy to agree and let him know I was gonna be in Artosis show in case there was any issue with that. There wasn't, mOOnglaDe and Theognis were contacted by Dan, I didn't know what the lineup was until the call started 10 minutes prior to the show, funnily enough we all had sepparetly agreed to be on both shows this week, without knowing who the other guests on either show would be, it was a pleasant surprise to find theo and andy in the call, but it also made me feel a bit 'guilty' because I realized the lineup was the same as SotG, msg'd JP and made sure we're cool which we are and we agreed we'd love to work together again in the future, as for SotG, I am not sure what will happen, truth is speculating isn't cool, I am sure that both Dan and JP have their side of the story for whatever reason they decided to sepparate, i'll be happy to be a guest on either show whenever invited, perhaps not both on the same week to not be redundant and boring to the audience. Anyways bottom line is, Artosis and JP are both awesome and I consider them both friends, mOOnglade, theognis and myself don't really "own" either show, we're happy to participate because its a nice platform to voice our opinions, talk about shit we all love, have a good time and get some good exposure while at it, you guys should stop reading too much into it, speculation on who did what and why is gonna get you nowhere, watch a show, watch both, watch none, that's all up to you. Unless either Dan or JP decide to release a statement i'd say just stir away from speculation, it does nothing but to create unnecessary tension and a shitty atmosphere. I am not entirely thrilled by that at all. I like Artosis, but there I don't think the "forgot" to tell to CatZ that mOOnglade, theognis were going to be on the show. My girlfriend is a little BS as well, saying this like poaching in the music scene and really frowned upon. I kinda want to hear if there is going to be SotG going forward. It seems to me that this is comparable to taking out the unnessacary middle man who hasn't worked hard enough to make his own services valuable (for anything besides nostalagic justification). Show nested quote +To be honest, Demuslim doesn't really have any problem talking when he's asked questions.
He needs to be more eager to talk by himself and fight for the spotlight, though. What has he said during ITG that was interesting? That oracles were strong? Please give me just one interesting comment from him.
Hinder, you and I are going to disagree on that one. JP has put together some of the best shows that the SC2 community has had and does with little help from anyone. To be frank, Artosis wouldn't have the co-hosts that he has right now if JP did bring back SotG in the first place.
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On April 25 2013 06:28 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Not a bad first show. Hopefully subsequent episodes focus even more on strategy talk. I do understand it's unavoidable to talk about strats and meta without at least SOME tournament talk. Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 06:25 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 25 2013 05:39 BathTubNZ wrote:On April 25 2013 01:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
I get everyone things this is a carbon copy of SOTG, but why would Catz, TheOgnis and Moonglade follow Artosis? His name has weight, but more than the sever ties with JP?
I think there's more to this than we think, if anything it's just politics and showbusiness. Catz discussed it on reddit, they all agreed independantly to appear and didn't know who else was on until 10 minutes before the show started. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1czyqs/thought_process_behind_the_meta_show/c9lnvb9I love JP, Dan approached me to join him on Meta and I was happy to agree to it, I love Dan. Details on why they split is entirely not my place to comment on and either way, I know jackshit about it and I think its hardly relevant. After Dan approached me to be on the show with him this week, JP approached me to be on SotG, I was happy to agree and let him know I was gonna be in Artosis show in case there was any issue with that. There wasn't, mOOnglaDe and Theognis were contacted by Dan, I didn't know what the lineup was until the call started 10 minutes prior to the show, funnily enough we all had sepparetly agreed to be on both shows this week, without knowing who the other guests on either show would be, it was a pleasant surprise to find theo and andy in the call, but it also made me feel a bit 'guilty' because I realized the lineup was the same as SotG, msg'd JP and made sure we're cool which we are and we agreed we'd love to work together again in the future, as for SotG, I am not sure what will happen, truth is speculating isn't cool, I am sure that both Dan and JP have their side of the story for whatever reason they decided to sepparate, i'll be happy to be a guest on either show whenever invited, perhaps not both on the same week to not be redundant and boring to the audience. Anyways bottom line is, Artosis and JP are both awesome and I consider them both friends, mOOnglade, theognis and myself don't really "own" either show, we're happy to participate because its a nice platform to voice our opinions, talk about shit we all love, have a good time and get some good exposure while at it, you guys should stop reading too much into it, speculation on who did what and why is gonna get you nowhere, watch a show, watch both, watch none, that's all up to you. Unless either Dan or JP decide to release a statement i'd say just stir away from speculation, it does nothing but to create unnecessary tension and a shitty atmosphere. nice to see some clarification. class act by catz to let JP know first. Pretty sure everyone is inventing drama where there isn't any to be had, anyway. It just seems to me that Artosis wanted SotG to be more about the game itself and less on the community drama, so he just decided to make his own show in order to do that. There's plenty of room in the scene for both shows, imo. edit: I accidentally some spelling
there still seems to be some drama between artosis and jp, but since they arent airing their dirty laundry, i will stay out of it. i just wanted to comment on catz' post because i said earlier in this thread that absent any further details it "appeared" the guests may have been dickish as well, and now that further details emerged that does not appear to be the case at all. my initial impression was wrong.
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On April 25 2013 05:59 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 05:49 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 05:39 BathTubNZ wrote:On April 25 2013 01:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
I get everyone things this is a carbon copy of SOTG, but why would Catz, TheOgnis and Moonglade follow Artosis? His name has weight, but more than the sever ties with JP?
I think there's more to this than we think, if anything it's just politics and showbusiness. Catz discussed it on reddit, they all agreed independantly to appear and didn't know who else was on until 10 minutes before the show started. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1czyqs/thought_process_behind_the_meta_show/c9lnvb9I love JP, Dan approached me to join him on Meta and I was happy to agree to it, I love Dan. Details on why they split is entirely not my place to comment on and either way, I know jackshit about it and I think its hardly relevant. After Dan approached me to be on the show with him this week, JP approached me to be on SotG, I was happy to agree and let him know I was gonna be in Artosis show in case there was any issue with that. There wasn't, mOOnglaDe and Theognis were contacted by Dan, I didn't know what the lineup was until the call started 10 minutes prior to the show, funnily enough we all had sepparetly agreed to be on both shows this week, without knowing who the other guests on either show would be, it was a pleasant surprise to find theo and andy in the call, but it also made me feel a bit 'guilty' because I realized the lineup was the same as SotG, msg'd JP and made sure we're cool which we are and we agreed we'd love to work together again in the future, as for SotG, I am not sure what will happen, truth is speculating isn't cool, I am sure that both Dan and JP have their side of the story for whatever reason they decided to sepparate, i'll be happy to be a guest on either show whenever invited, perhaps not both on the same week to not be redundant and boring to the audience. Anyways bottom line is, Artosis and JP are both awesome and I consider them both friends, mOOnglade, theognis and myself don't really "own" either show, we're happy to participate because its a nice platform to voice our opinions, talk about shit we all love, have a good time and get some good exposure while at it, you guys should stop reading too much into it, speculation on who did what and why is gonna get you nowhere, watch a show, watch both, watch none, that's all up to you. Unless either Dan or JP decide to release a statement i'd say just stir away from speculation, it does nothing but to create unnecessary tension and a shitty atmosphere. I am not entirely thrilled by that at all. I like Artosis, but there I don't think the "forgot" to tell to CatZ that mOOnglade, theognis were going to be on the show. My girlfriend is a little BS as well, saying this like poaching in the music scene and really frowned upon. I kinda want to hear if there is going to be SotG going forward. It seems to me that this is comparable to taking out the unnessacary middle man who hasn't worked hard enough to make his own services valuable (for anything besides nostalagic justification). Show nested quote +To be honest, Demuslim doesn't really have any problem talking when he's asked questions.
He needs to be more eager to talk by himself and fight for the spotlight, though. What has he said during ITG that was interesting? That oracles were strong? Please give me just one interesting comment from him.
That middle man made the show. It is his show.
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On April 25 2013 06:39 dAPhREAk wrote:
there still seems to be some drama between artosis and jp, but since they arent airing their dirty laundry, i will stay out of it.
Who says they aren't? If Artosis left SotG because it featured too much focus on drama I have to say Advantage JP!
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What if Artosis and Jp planned this to cause even more drama! :p
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On April 25 2013 06:40 Deckkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 05:59 Hider wrote:On April 25 2013 05:49 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 05:39 BathTubNZ wrote:On April 25 2013 01:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
I get everyone things this is a carbon copy of SOTG, but why would Catz, TheOgnis and Moonglade follow Artosis? His name has weight, but more than the sever ties with JP?
I think there's more to this than we think, if anything it's just politics and showbusiness. Catz discussed it on reddit, they all agreed independantly to appear and didn't know who else was on until 10 minutes before the show started. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1czyqs/thought_process_behind_the_meta_show/c9lnvb9I love JP, Dan approached me to join him on Meta and I was happy to agree to it, I love Dan. Details on why they split is entirely not my place to comment on and either way, I know jackshit about it and I think its hardly relevant. After Dan approached me to be on the show with him this week, JP approached me to be on SotG, I was happy to agree and let him know I was gonna be in Artosis show in case there was any issue with that. There wasn't, mOOnglaDe and Theognis were contacted by Dan, I didn't know what the lineup was until the call started 10 minutes prior to the show, funnily enough we all had sepparetly agreed to be on both shows this week, without knowing who the other guests on either show would be, it was a pleasant surprise to find theo and andy in the call, but it also made me feel a bit 'guilty' because I realized the lineup was the same as SotG, msg'd JP and made sure we're cool which we are and we agreed we'd love to work together again in the future, as for SotG, I am not sure what will happen, truth is speculating isn't cool, I am sure that both Dan and JP have their side of the story for whatever reason they decided to sepparate, i'll be happy to be a guest on either show whenever invited, perhaps not both on the same week to not be redundant and boring to the audience. Anyways bottom line is, Artosis and JP are both awesome and I consider them both friends, mOOnglade, theognis and myself don't really "own" either show, we're happy to participate because its a nice platform to voice our opinions, talk about shit we all love, have a good time and get some good exposure while at it, you guys should stop reading too much into it, speculation on who did what and why is gonna get you nowhere, watch a show, watch both, watch none, that's all up to you. Unless either Dan or JP decide to release a statement i'd say just stir away from speculation, it does nothing but to create unnecessary tension and a shitty atmosphere. I am not entirely thrilled by that at all. I like Artosis, but there I don't think the "forgot" to tell to CatZ that mOOnglade, theognis were going to be on the show. My girlfriend is a little BS as well, saying this like poaching in the music scene and really frowned upon. I kinda want to hear if there is going to be SotG going forward. It seems to me that this is comparable to taking out the unnessacary middle man who hasn't worked hard enough to make his own services valuable (for anything besides nostalagic justification). To be honest, Demuslim doesn't really have any problem talking when he's asked questions.
He needs to be more eager to talk by himself and fight for the spotlight, though. What has he said during ITG that was interesting? That oracles were strong? Please give me just one interesting comment from him. That middle man made the show. It is his show.
Yeah, if you're going to call the person that schedules and coordinates the show, hosts the files, sets up the overlay and music etca middle man then Artosis has found another middle man rather than cutting him out as there are production credits in the intro.
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The show felt rigid to me. It didn't have same feel to it as SOTG did, as in it didn't have a natural conversation flow like in SOTG did. Artosis controlled the convo a little too much and didn't much banter either. SOTG felt like it was just friends hanging out talking about some good 'ol starcraft and having a good time but this felt some-what forced.
The transition animation could be toned down a little but apart from those points good show
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On April 25 2013 06:37 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 05:59 Hider wrote:On April 25 2013 05:49 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 05:39 BathTubNZ wrote:On April 25 2013 01:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
I get everyone things this is a carbon copy of SOTG, but why would Catz, TheOgnis and Moonglade follow Artosis? His name has weight, but more than the sever ties with JP?
I think there's more to this than we think, if anything it's just politics and showbusiness. Catz discussed it on reddit, they all agreed independantly to appear and didn't know who else was on until 10 minutes before the show started. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1czyqs/thought_process_behind_the_meta_show/c9lnvb9I love JP, Dan approached me to join him on Meta and I was happy to agree to it, I love Dan. Details on why they split is entirely not my place to comment on and either way, I know jackshit about it and I think its hardly relevant. After Dan approached me to be on the show with him this week, JP approached me to be on SotG, I was happy to agree and let him know I was gonna be in Artosis show in case there was any issue with that. There wasn't, mOOnglaDe and Theognis were contacted by Dan, I didn't know what the lineup was until the call started 10 minutes prior to the show, funnily enough we all had sepparetly agreed to be on both shows this week, without knowing who the other guests on either show would be, it was a pleasant surprise to find theo and andy in the call, but it also made me feel a bit 'guilty' because I realized the lineup was the same as SotG, msg'd JP and made sure we're cool which we are and we agreed we'd love to work together again in the future, as for SotG, I am not sure what will happen, truth is speculating isn't cool, I am sure that both Dan and JP have their side of the story for whatever reason they decided to sepparate, i'll be happy to be a guest on either show whenever invited, perhaps not both on the same week to not be redundant and boring to the audience. Anyways bottom line is, Artosis and JP are both awesome and I consider them both friends, mOOnglade, theognis and myself don't really "own" either show, we're happy to participate because its a nice platform to voice our opinions, talk about shit we all love, have a good time and get some good exposure while at it, you guys should stop reading too much into it, speculation on who did what and why is gonna get you nowhere, watch a show, watch both, watch none, that's all up to you. Unless either Dan or JP decide to release a statement i'd say just stir away from speculation, it does nothing but to create unnecessary tension and a shitty atmosphere. I am not entirely thrilled by that at all. I like Artosis, but there I don't think the "forgot" to tell to CatZ that mOOnglade, theognis were going to be on the show. My girlfriend is a little BS as well, saying this like poaching in the music scene and really frowned upon. I kinda want to hear if there is going to be SotG going forward. It seems to me that this is comparable to taking out the unnessacary middle man who hasn't worked hard enough to make his own services valuable (for anything besides nostalagic justification). To be honest, Demuslim doesn't really have any problem talking when he's asked questions.
He needs to be more eager to talk by himself and fight for the spotlight, though. What has he said during ITG that was interesting? That oracles were strong? Please give me just one interesting comment from him. Hinder, you and I are going to disagree on that one. JP has put together some of the best shows that the SC2 community has had and does with little help from anyone. To be frank, Artosis wouldn't have the co-hosts that he has right now if JP did bring back SotG in the first place.
Your not actually disagreeing with me. The "middle man" was once neccesary. He no longer is - That is the nature of the "free market", and it is IMO desireable as it motivates everyone to continue working hard and staying hard. JP hasn't done that (unfortunately for him).
That middle man made the show. It is his show.
Yes and it is still the middle mans business. JP's business/product consisted of 3 elements;
- Bringing various players together/setting up the show (artosis can easily do that as wlel).
- Strong brand of SOTG (this will diffiuclt to replicate, but not impossible)
- JP asking questions during the show (easy to replicate as JP really didn't spend a lot of time preparing for this as other people have pointed out).
So lets face the facts; JP him self is at fault for not spending enough time on Sc2, which meant that his services became easily replicateable by other people. The same thing will happen to any kind of business, and I don't feel sorry for JP, because that is the nature of the game. He and viewers/consumers benfited from SOTG during a long time, but that is exactly the same thing as the middleman who once had a relevant business and contributed to the wealth of his costumers, but unfortunately for him he is no longer relevant.
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On April 25 2013 08:17 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 06:37 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 05:59 Hider wrote:On April 25 2013 05:49 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 05:39 BathTubNZ wrote:On April 25 2013 01:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
I get everyone things this is a carbon copy of SOTG, but why would Catz, TheOgnis and Moonglade follow Artosis? His name has weight, but more than the sever ties with JP?
I think there's more to this than we think, if anything it's just politics and showbusiness. Catz discussed it on reddit, they all agreed independantly to appear and didn't know who else was on until 10 minutes before the show started. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1czyqs/thought_process_behind_the_meta_show/c9lnvb9I love JP, Dan approached me to join him on Meta and I was happy to agree to it, I love Dan. Details on why they split is entirely not my place to comment on and either way, I know jackshit about it and I think its hardly relevant. After Dan approached me to be on the show with him this week, JP approached me to be on SotG, I was happy to agree and let him know I was gonna be in Artosis show in case there was any issue with that. There wasn't, mOOnglaDe and Theognis were contacted by Dan, I didn't know what the lineup was until the call started 10 minutes prior to the show, funnily enough we all had sepparetly agreed to be on both shows this week, without knowing who the other guests on either show would be, it was a pleasant surprise to find theo and andy in the call, but it also made me feel a bit 'guilty' because I realized the lineup was the same as SotG, msg'd JP and made sure we're cool which we are and we agreed we'd love to work together again in the future, as for SotG, I am not sure what will happen, truth is speculating isn't cool, I am sure that both Dan and JP have their side of the story for whatever reason they decided to sepparate, i'll be happy to be a guest on either show whenever invited, perhaps not both on the same week to not be redundant and boring to the audience. Anyways bottom line is, Artosis and JP are both awesome and I consider them both friends, mOOnglade, theognis and myself don't really "own" either show, we're happy to participate because its a nice platform to voice our opinions, talk about shit we all love, have a good time and get some good exposure while at it, you guys should stop reading too much into it, speculation on who did what and why is gonna get you nowhere, watch a show, watch both, watch none, that's all up to you. Unless either Dan or JP decide to release a statement i'd say just stir away from speculation, it does nothing but to create unnecessary tension and a shitty atmosphere. I am not entirely thrilled by that at all. I like Artosis, but there I don't think the "forgot" to tell to CatZ that mOOnglade, theognis were going to be on the show. My girlfriend is a little BS as well, saying this like poaching in the music scene and really frowned upon. I kinda want to hear if there is going to be SotG going forward. It seems to me that this is comparable to taking out the unnessacary middle man who hasn't worked hard enough to make his own services valuable (for anything besides nostalagic justification). To be honest, Demuslim doesn't really have any problem talking when he's asked questions.
He needs to be more eager to talk by himself and fight for the spotlight, though. What has he said during ITG that was interesting? That oracles were strong? Please give me just one interesting comment from him. Hinder, you and I are going to disagree on that one. JP has put together some of the best shows that the SC2 community has had and does with little help from anyone. To be frank, Artosis wouldn't have the co-hosts that he has right now if JP did bring back SotG in the first place. Your not actually disagreeing with me. The "middle man" was once neccesary. He no longer is - That is the nature of the "free market", and it is IMO desireable as it motivates everyone to continue working hard and staying hard. JP hasn't done that (unfortunately for him). Yes and it is still the middle mans business. JP's business/product consisted of 3 elements; - Bringing various players together/setting up the show (artosis can easily do that as wlel). - Strong brand of SOTG (this will diffiuclt to replicate, but not impossible) - JP asking questions during the show (easy to replicate as JP really didn't spend a lot of time preparing for this as other people have pointed out). So lets face the facts; JP him self is at fault for not spending enough time on Sc2, which meant that his services became easily replicateable by other people. The same thing will happen to any kind of business, and I don't feel sorry for JP, because that is the nature of the game. He and viewers/consumers benfited from SOTG during a long time, but that is exactly the same thing as the middleman who once had a relevant business and contributed to the wealth of his costumers, but unfortunately for him he is no longer relevant.
I am disagreeing with you. I do think JP is necessary, because I don't think Artosis has the attention span to keep this show going, judging by his past projects. And I don't think the guy that he hired to run production is going to fix that. We will see. But when it comes to ongoing, consistent, well liked shows, JP has one of the best track records around.
Also, the whole "he became unnecessary" thing just makes you sound like a CEO who is planning on firing all of his elderly employees because he doesn't want to my their higher salaries. We all know that is part of business, but it makes you seem like a heartless jerk.
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On April 25 2013 08:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 08:17 Hider wrote:On April 25 2013 06:37 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 05:59 Hider wrote:On April 25 2013 05:49 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 05:39 BathTubNZ wrote:On April 25 2013 01:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
I get everyone things this is a carbon copy of SOTG, but why would Catz, TheOgnis and Moonglade follow Artosis? His name has weight, but more than the sever ties with JP?
I think there's more to this than we think, if anything it's just politics and showbusiness. Catz discussed it on reddit, they all agreed independantly to appear and didn't know who else was on until 10 minutes before the show started. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1czyqs/thought_process_behind_the_meta_show/c9lnvb9I love JP, Dan approached me to join him on Meta and I was happy to agree to it, I love Dan. Details on why they split is entirely not my place to comment on and either way, I know jackshit about it and I think its hardly relevant. After Dan approached me to be on the show with him this week, JP approached me to be on SotG, I was happy to agree and let him know I was gonna be in Artosis show in case there was any issue with that. There wasn't, mOOnglaDe and Theognis were contacted by Dan, I didn't know what the lineup was until the call started 10 minutes prior to the show, funnily enough we all had sepparetly agreed to be on both shows this week, without knowing who the other guests on either show would be, it was a pleasant surprise to find theo and andy in the call, but it also made me feel a bit 'guilty' because I realized the lineup was the same as SotG, msg'd JP and made sure we're cool which we are and we agreed we'd love to work together again in the future, as for SotG, I am not sure what will happen, truth is speculating isn't cool, I am sure that both Dan and JP have their side of the story for whatever reason they decided to sepparate, i'll be happy to be a guest on either show whenever invited, perhaps not both on the same week to not be redundant and boring to the audience. Anyways bottom line is, Artosis and JP are both awesome and I consider them both friends, mOOnglade, theognis and myself don't really "own" either show, we're happy to participate because its a nice platform to voice our opinions, talk about shit we all love, have a good time and get some good exposure while at it, you guys should stop reading too much into it, speculation on who did what and why is gonna get you nowhere, watch a show, watch both, watch none, that's all up to you. Unless either Dan or JP decide to release a statement i'd say just stir away from speculation, it does nothing but to create unnecessary tension and a shitty atmosphere. I am not entirely thrilled by that at all. I like Artosis, but there I don't think the "forgot" to tell to CatZ that mOOnglade, theognis were going to be on the show. My girlfriend is a little BS as well, saying this like poaching in the music scene and really frowned upon. I kinda want to hear if there is going to be SotG going forward. It seems to me that this is comparable to taking out the unnessacary middle man who hasn't worked hard enough to make his own services valuable (for anything besides nostalagic justification). To be honest, Demuslim doesn't really have any problem talking when he's asked questions.
He needs to be more eager to talk by himself and fight for the spotlight, though. What has he said during ITG that was interesting? That oracles were strong? Please give me just one interesting comment from him. Hinder, you and I are going to disagree on that one. JP has put together some of the best shows that the SC2 community has had and does with little help from anyone. To be frank, Artosis wouldn't have the co-hosts that he has right now if JP did bring back SotG in the first place. Your not actually disagreeing with me. The "middle man" was once neccesary. He no longer is - That is the nature of the "free market", and it is IMO desireable as it motivates everyone to continue working hard and staying hard. JP hasn't done that (unfortunately for him). I am disagreeing with you. I do think JP is necessary, because I don't think Artosis has the attention span to keep this show going, judging by his past projects. And I don't think the guy that he hired to run production is going to fix that. We will see. But when it comes to ongoing, consistent, well liked shows, JP has one of the best track records around.
Please be specific, what can JP do that is unique? If you say he asks relevant questions, please refer to an actual example.
However, it is indeed possible that Artosis may run out of passion at some point of running the show, however that doesn't really change my point (that JP him self is at blame for not improving the value of his own human capital).
Also, the whole "he became unnecessary" thing just makes you sound like a CEO who is planning on firing all of his elderly employees because he doesn't want to my their higher salaries. We all know that is part of business, but it makes you seem like a heartless jerk.
The point is that he him self is responsible for what happened. This happens 100000000000000+ globally in the world, and I don't really feel sorry for him.
I would, however, feel sorry for him if I felt he worked his ass off and did everything right but just was unlucky (there are other members I feel are more deservering).
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On April 25 2013 08:29 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 08:26 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 08:17 Hider wrote:On April 25 2013 06:37 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 05:59 Hider wrote:On April 25 2013 05:49 Plansix wrote:On April 25 2013 05:39 BathTubNZ wrote:On April 25 2013 01:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
I get everyone things this is a carbon copy of SOTG, but why would Catz, TheOgnis and Moonglade follow Artosis? His name has weight, but more than the sever ties with JP?
I think there's more to this than we think, if anything it's just politics and showbusiness. Catz discussed it on reddit, they all agreed independantly to appear and didn't know who else was on until 10 minutes before the show started. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1czyqs/thought_process_behind_the_meta_show/c9lnvb9I love JP, Dan approached me to join him on Meta and I was happy to agree to it, I love Dan. Details on why they split is entirely not my place to comment on and either way, I know jackshit about it and I think its hardly relevant. After Dan approached me to be on the show with him this week, JP approached me to be on SotG, I was happy to agree and let him know I was gonna be in Artosis show in case there was any issue with that. There wasn't, mOOnglaDe and Theognis were contacted by Dan, I didn't know what the lineup was until the call started 10 minutes prior to the show, funnily enough we all had sepparetly agreed to be on both shows this week, without knowing who the other guests on either show would be, it was a pleasant surprise to find theo and andy in the call, but it also made me feel a bit 'guilty' because I realized the lineup was the same as SotG, msg'd JP and made sure we're cool which we are and we agreed we'd love to work together again in the future, as for SotG, I am not sure what will happen, truth is speculating isn't cool, I am sure that both Dan and JP have their side of the story for whatever reason they decided to sepparate, i'll be happy to be a guest on either show whenever invited, perhaps not both on the same week to not be redundant and boring to the audience. Anyways bottom line is, Artosis and JP are both awesome and I consider them both friends, mOOnglade, theognis and myself don't really "own" either show, we're happy to participate because its a nice platform to voice our opinions, talk about shit we all love, have a good time and get some good exposure while at it, you guys should stop reading too much into it, speculation on who did what and why is gonna get you nowhere, watch a show, watch both, watch none, that's all up to you. Unless either Dan or JP decide to release a statement i'd say just stir away from speculation, it does nothing but to create unnecessary tension and a shitty atmosphere. I am not entirely thrilled by that at all. I like Artosis, but there I don't think the "forgot" to tell to CatZ that mOOnglade, theognis were going to be on the show. My girlfriend is a little BS as well, saying this like poaching in the music scene and really frowned upon. I kinda want to hear if there is going to be SotG going forward. It seems to me that this is comparable to taking out the unnessacary middle man who hasn't worked hard enough to make his own services valuable (for anything besides nostalagic justification). To be honest, Demuslim doesn't really have any problem talking when he's asked questions.
He needs to be more eager to talk by himself and fight for the spotlight, though. What has he said during ITG that was interesting? That oracles were strong? Please give me just one interesting comment from him. Hinder, you and I are going to disagree on that one. JP has put together some of the best shows that the SC2 community has had and does with little help from anyone. To be frank, Artosis wouldn't have the co-hosts that he has right now if JP did bring back SotG in the first place. Your not actually disagreeing with me. The "middle man" was once neccesary. He no longer is - That is the nature of the "free market", and it is IMO desireable as it motivates everyone to continue working hard and staying hard. JP hasn't done that (unfortunately for him). I am disagreeing with you. I do think JP is necessary, because I don't think Artosis has the attention span to keep this show going, judging by his past projects. And I don't think the guy that he hired to run production is going to fix that. We will see. But when it comes to ongoing, consistent, well liked shows, JP has one of the best track records around. Please be specific, what can JP do that is unique? If you say he asks relevant questions, please refer to an actual example.
I am not arguing with you. I have my opinion and you have yours. I think your wrong, you think I am wrong and its all ok. We will have to see how it pans out over the weeks and maybe we will get two great shows out of it.
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Catz is right in his reddit post. Leave it be and just enjoy it. Let the shows fight it out for viewers. Watch the show you like better.
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I am not arguing with you. I have my opinion and you have yours. I think your wrong, you think I am wrong and its all ok. We will have to see how it pans out over the weeks and maybe we will get two great shows out of it.
No I agree with you that Artosis may run out of passion for this show, but is your argument that JP value (something he can do better than anyone else) lies in consistency?
If thast the case, how do you explain that SOTG hasn't really been constant over the last year? (there has bene like 15 shows or something like that).
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