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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
April 24 2013 23:40 GMT
#461
i haven't watched the episode yet, but i love the intention of focussing more on strategy/metagame, etc. I missed it a bit in other, similar shows.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
April 24 2013 23:41 GMT
#462
I might be a minority, but I would prefer a show that speaks solely about strategy and the metagame instead of trying to do that while covering tournament results. There are some many shows and writeups that you can listen to and read if you want to see reviews and previews of important games, it would be nice to just have a show that is only deep analysis of the game and what's changing.
Ireniicas
Profile Joined April 2013
66 Posts
April 24 2013 23:55 GMT
#463
The show was fine however I felt uncomfortable with how it all transpired. What looks from an outside perspective as backstabbing a friend. Nasty business
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 00:15:04
April 25 2013 00:14 GMT
#464
On April 25 2013 08:41 Salv wrote:
I might be a minority, but I would prefer a show that speaks solely about strategy and the metagame instead of trying to do that while covering tournament results. There are some many shows and writeups that you can listen to and read if you want to see reviews and previews of important games, it would be nice to just have a show that is only deep analysis of the game and what's changing.


You can't legitimately cover real metagame without tournament results tbh. Tournament results DIRECTLY influence and are influenced by the meta lol
SooYoung-Noona!
Shadow Sylph
Profile Joined December 2010
United States98 Posts
April 25 2013 00:45 GMT
#465
The show was fantastic and well focused. Obviously there are kinks to work out with any new show, but I would say you're on the right track to doing a show that cuts the drama and talks about the game/games.

To those who keep pushing the STOG drama, they need to understand that STOG was more interested in the drama, the face value results and the news circulating throughout the community. That has it's place and so does this show.

Suggestions for production: I really liked your different views/highlights for people talking, but a better transition or a unique transition for different views would be nice. The same transition for everything doesn't flow well, it feels forced and the result is unpredictable as a viewer because you could be transitioning to anything.

All in all the first show was extremely impressive. I look forward to a nice and organized thread where I can view the VODS and show times etc in the near future. Great work.
makemescv
Profile Joined February 2012
3 Posts
April 25 2013 00:59 GMT
#466
On April 25 2013 09:45 Shadow Sylph wrote:
The show was fantastic and well focused. Obviously there are kinks to work out with any new show, but I would say you're on the right track to doing a show that cuts the drama and talks about the game/games.

To those who keep pushing the STOG drama, they need to understand that STOG was more interested in the drama, the face value results and the news circulating throughout the community. That has it's place and so does this show.

Suggestions for production: I really liked your different views/highlights for people talking, but a better transition or a unique transition for different views would be nice. The same transition for everything doesn't flow well, it feels forced and the result is unpredictable as a viewer because you could be transitioning to anything.

All in all the first show was extremely impressive. I look forward to a nice and organized thread where I can view the VODS and show times etc in the near future. Great work.


This is exactly how I feel. The drama is a non factor, I'm about the content, and the content was great. The production was really well done, I liken it to having a dedicated obs for a stream, looked great! I think once Artosis gets a bit more comfortable hosting this will be the premier show to watch.

Thank you Artosis!!!!
thebig1
Profile Joined March 2011
248 Posts
April 25 2013 02:04 GMT
#467
On April 25 2013 08:41 Salv wrote:
I might be a minority, but I would prefer a show that speaks solely about strategy and the metagame instead of trying to do that while covering tournament results. There are some many shows and writeups that you can listen to and read if you want to see reviews and previews of important games, it would be nice to just have a show that is only deep analysis of the game and what's changing.


It's quite possible that you aren't actually in the minority. People who are into drama are way more likely to express and fanatically defend their opinion on something. You don't need to look further than this thread for evidence than that. There are a small amount of people making a whole lot of very similar posts looking for drama in the situation. Many of which don't seem to have actually watched the episode because they ask questions that are answered in the episode.

Luckily for the people who do like the idea of that kind of show, Artosis is the type of person who isn't going to stop because some random person on the internet doesn't like it. If there is ANYTHING you could take away about him over the years is that he LOVES talking about Starcraft. I'm sure the idea of getting together every week to talk with like minded people about the intricacies of the game tickles him pink. Even if no one is watching it.
Bjornara
Profile Joined April 2013
Norway3 Posts
April 25 2013 06:31 GMT
#468
I love artosis as a caster, and when I first read about the show I was hoping for it to be on strategy and the actual metagame, I would find that very interesting.

But imo he is a terrible host for a show like sotg, he looked very uncomfortable, he constantly interrupted other people talking with his own opinions, and he got way to strong opinions to host a show like this. It's like watching a debate where the host constantly choose side and promotes his own opinions over all of the others. This show is not really adding anything new, not only is it a direct copy of sotg, it's a bad copy, much less entertaining.

I'm not really worried about this show taking over for sotg, cause I can't really see it succeed unless they change it to be a strategy show. I just hope it don't make JP quit sotg so we end up with no show like that, cause meta is not gonna be a replacement, just a terrible one if they continue to try.
Momentum isn't important for me. Only skill.
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
April 25 2013 06:39 GMT
#469
You may like or not like it, but speaking only about the game, and not about the community is rather 'dry' and will get old pretty quickly. Sotg did a bit of both and was a nice mixture. I cant see it being only about meta from week to week.
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
April 25 2013 06:43 GMT
#470
So much speculation around so few facts.
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
April 25 2013 06:46 GMT
#471
I LOVED this! Much more in-depth game discussion, not too much time spent on drama makes this a show for the Starcrafting purists. Pure meta-game stuff will be amazing to talk about, but more in-depth conversations about recent games (especially GSL games, which is mostly all I watch) will be fantastic as well.

SotG is a good show and I do like it, but it's gotten less about the game as it's gotten older and while I still watch it I no longer hang out for it each week.

I still have no confidence whatsoever in Artosis keeping up with the broadcasting, but while it lasts this might be my favourite show on the internet.
The first rule we don't talk about race conditions. of race conditions is
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 06:53:59
April 25 2013 06:52 GMT
#472
EDIT: Double post. Admins please delete. EDIT: Oh, you can't report your own posts .
The first rule we don't talk about race conditions. of race conditions is
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
April 25 2013 06:54 GMT
#473
I liked the content but I felt like the actually discussion about the game was lackluster.
I was expecting more of a "yeah this bo is really popular right now and this is why etc etc"
Instead it was yeah Hellbats... they are good.

All for what it could become, a show that isn't all about the drama is needed.

But having on the same cast as last SOTG could be questioned
It felt VERY weird.
The curse is real
urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
April 25 2013 07:06 GMT
#474
The flow of the topics was a little jarring. Artosis would choose a topic from his list and offer it, the guests would generally say a little timid tidbit and the next topic would be broached. I think I prefer JP in the role of host. On the other hand, this could become another humorous jabbing tool alongside Ascension and Imbalanced.

The production was top notch, though. I hope they got paid for that work.
Who dat ninja?
ThreeByThree
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom9 Posts
April 25 2013 08:54 GMT
#475
I think it might be a good idea for Artosis to make a short comment on what happened between him and JP. The community not knowing anything seems to just stoke the fires of speculation.

There are enough people saying that they are uncomfortable about the show and do not want to watch because of what it looks like from the outside (SotG with JP cut). If the split was done amicably then a quick explanation wouldn't hurt, otherwise we'll just have to wait for the speculation to stop.

Personally I thought Artosis could do no wrong but now I cannot help but feel a little disappointed with what I see.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 09:08:22
April 25 2013 09:08 GMT
#476
Wow, nice show. Great production value, Simon, Matt and Tobias are doing a great job!

Edit: And thanks for the mp3!

Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
SChlafmann
Profile Joined September 2011
France725 Posts
April 25 2013 09:08 GMT
#477
On April 25 2013 17:54 ThreeByThree wrote:
I think it might be a good idea for Artosis to make a short comment on what happened between him and JP. The community not knowing anything seems to just stoke the fires of speculation.


At the end of the first show he talks a bit about it.Not a lot, but there is still some information to get.
"More GG, more skill" - Nope! Chuck Testa - #BISU2013
Disarmed
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria721 Posts
April 25 2013 09:30 GMT
#478
On April 25 2013 18:08 SChlafmann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 17:54 ThreeByThree wrote:
I think it might be a good idea for Artosis to make a short comment on what happened between him and JP. The community not knowing anything seems to just stoke the fires of speculation.


At the end of the first show he talks a bit about it.Not a lot, but there is still some information to get.



and what did he say?
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
April 25 2013 09:32 GMT
#479
The flow of the topics was a little jarring. Artosis would choose a topic from his list and offer it, the guests would generally say a little timid tidbit and the next topic would be broached. I think I prefer JP in the role of hos


And what exactly would JP have done differently?
xrayEU
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden571 Posts
April 25 2013 09:39 GMT
#480
On April 25 2013 18:30 Disarmed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 18:08 SChlafmann wrote:
On April 25 2013 17:54 ThreeByThree wrote:
I think it might be a good idea for Artosis to make a short comment on what happened between him and JP. The community not knowing anything seems to just stoke the fires of speculation.


At the end of the first show he talks a bit about it.Not a lot, but there is still some information to get.



and what did he say?

Artosis want Meta to focus more on in-depth game discussions and less on drama around the game.
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