i dont mind the muta wars in zvz i dont really see why its such a priority

the only thing buffing spore damage did was make attacking his mutas with your mutas when he has a spore a bad idea but its still muta wars

if they really want people to stop making mutas in zvz they will need to either buff infestors (remove the projectile or increase fungal dmg vs bio) or increase spore range so its easier to turtle against mutalisks and more punishing to poke in with them

its good they're taking it slow though

Emzeeshady

Canada4203 Posts

April 23 2013 02:16 GMT

#102

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Surili

United Kingdom1141 Posts

April 23 2013 02:18 GMT

#103

On April 23 2013 10:14 spirates wrote:
Oracle speedincrease? Its already moving faster then freaking stim, or atleast very close to it meaning if you arent right under it, you cant catch up to it even if you stim.

You heard it here first guys, not being able to beat EVERYTHING with just purely stimmed marines is just "freaking" stupid.

Jotoco

Brazil1342 Posts

April 23 2013 02:20 GMT

#104

Instead of nerfing Terran, buffing protoss and zerg could be a better way out. Just saying...

Usernameffs

Sweden107 Posts

April 23 2013 02:20 GMT

#105

I know how they can stop muta wars buff corruptors so they have the ability to bring down air units so ground units like roaches can attack them.

Arceus

Vietnam8333 Posts

April 23 2013 02:20 GMT

#106

It bugs me every time I see "skill" & "oracle" in the same line

Looks like Blizzard gives zero fuck about late game. Zerg's AA is a disaster, Toss' air abusing seems absurd, Mech is still very unsustainable, glass-cannon like

sitromit

7051 Posts

April 23 2013 02:20 GMT

#107

2 WCS qualifiers, 16 spots, 1 Zerg, the problem matchup was clearly ZvZ.

Hier

2391 Posts

April 23 2013 02:21 GMT

#108

The changes make no sense at all. Still intending to encourage very heavily invested "all or nothing" harass options, and more gimmicky early game choices to promote randomness is not my idea of the right direction to take the game. Vicious cycle of buffs starting with stronger mutas, which then leads to specific potential anti-muta buffs to shift the unit composition trends to their liking. That would be OK, but they don't seem to realize that they will never reach a utopia of balanced unit compositions without something that currently the game completely lacks: micro-able units. Players' abilities should dictate the unit compositions, not how much +bio damage a spore has.

Awful.

Gool

Argentina204 Posts

April 23 2013 02:21 GMT

#109

PvZ is balanced, it is terran which needs a huge nerf.

Thrillz

4313 Posts

April 23 2013 02:22 GMT

#110

On April 23 2013 11:09 SeaSmoke wrote:

Show nested quote +

Zealots, marines, marauders, hellbats...actually, I like this idea (zerg player).

Yeah wtf, +Bio on hydras would affect every matchup by a lot.

Emzeeshady

Canada4203 Posts

April 23 2013 02:22 GMT

#111

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Wojciech Zywny

Poland271 Posts

April 23 2013 02:23 GMT

#112

are they really considering making oracles even faster????? what the actual fuck?????

sage_francis

France1823 Posts

April 23 2013 02:23 GMT

#113

On April 23 2013 11:20 Usernameffs wrote:
I know how they can stop muta wars buff corruptors so they have the ability to bring down air units so ground units like roaches can attack them.

my gosh...

TheRabidDeer

United States3806 Posts

April 23 2013 02:27 GMT

#114

Disagree with faster oracles. Maybe 10 more shields or something.
Disagree with spore change. I havent played much ZvZ, but spores are already REALLY strong against them. I still think zergs need to get an extra queen out in the earlier game to spread creep so that they can go into an earlier 3rd base with hydras + spores.

WIllBIll

590 Posts

April 23 2013 02:27 GMT

#115

I'd rather have them do something about corruptors to fix mass muta because that unit is boring as shit.

Thrillz

4313 Posts

April 23 2013 02:29 GMT

#116

On April 23 2013 11:27 WIllBIll wrote:
I'd rather have them do something about corruptors to fix mass muta because that unit is boring as shit.

Mass mutas in any mu is boring, I don't think the muta changes made the game better.

GTPGlitch

5061 Posts

April 23 2013 02:29 GMT

#117

On April 23 2013 11:18 Surili wrote:

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You heard it here first guys, not being able to beat EVERYTHING with just purely stimmed marines is just "freaking" stupid.

oh right lets just get a 6 minute viking out, because that's viable!

sevia

United States954 Posts

April 23 2013 02:31 GMT

#118

Too early for a patch, I think. Wings patches were much faster, of course, but the game was brand new then - and had some actual game-breaking issues. These changes seem less geared towards fixing problems and more towards steering gameplay in a direction Blizzard likes.