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betaman
United Kingdom355 Posts
On April 21 2013 06:14 BronzeKnee wrote: There was a registration fee for the NA qualifier, wasn't there? I thought it was $18.75? No, they scrapped it after pitchforks. | ||
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o)_Saurus
Germany260 Posts
On April 21 2013 06:12 Type|NarutO wrote: Don't know how WCS Europe was a joke. Compare it to WCS NA and you see whats worse, and really I don't think WCS EU qualifiers were run badly. Second this. If you just think about it the sum of errors ESL made were 1h delay on first cup due to technical issues, shortly announced updated times for the 2nd cup and the "1-man-casting-issue" which is no real fault for my part. There were more things they did right imo but as we all know, ppl just want to be bitching about things they have no clue of. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
They should have made it a rank requirement (IE xx amount of points in masters+ to be able to play). GSL does this and it works great ^^ | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On April 21 2013 06:17 ACrow wrote: They retracted that after the public outcry over this outrageous amount. I didn't understand the fuss about it, but that's what we got as a result, I guess. Having a registration fee just limits the amount of players for no reason. How EU did it well was having just really large brackets and you're able to fit everyone in. These kind of events to get players in diamond, low/mid masters to play and get excited for, that's a great thing. It's just really really awful when you limit it to such a few number of players, and as a result, people are left out. It seems like such a simple thing as well so it's hard to see how MLG could make this decision. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
Hahah, I didn't know that. They should have just made the bracket 1024 if more than 512 players signed up. And I don't think it should be limited by rank. One of things that makes SC2 so fun is that regular people get the chance to play against pros. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On April 21 2013 06:11 Clbull wrote: We should just boycott WCS and Blizzard events at this point. The WCS Europe qualifiers have been a complete fucking joke up to this point due to the way they've ran their qualifiers and now we have entry into WCS America governed literally by just one 512 man bracket qualifier tournament. Consider the fact that leagues and players have genuinely been fucked over by Blizzard's plans. Why is ESL, an organisation that has hosted tournaments of sometimes questionable quality around the world, picked over Dreamhack, an organisation that has hosted some of the best produced SC2 tournaments in the world? And what about WCS America? Imagine how much better it would have been if NASL as well as MLG were producing it? That's right, leave out the only other influential league in favour of an exclusivity deal. And what stake do IPL's former staff have to play in this too? Oh and what about players like Scarlett who genuinely planned to play in GSL but can't because she was invited to WCS America? The EU qualifier was done very well. Maybe you can make a better esport organization, running for almost 20 years now. Start today. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
On April 21 2013 06:20 BronzeKnee wrote: Hahah, I didn't know that. They should have just made the bracket 1024 if more than 512 players signed up. No, they needed league caps. There were at least 5 GMs sitting waiting for the bracket to be produced and dozens of masters who simply didn't get in because they registered A SINGLE DAY AFTER A (SUPPOSEDLY) WEEK LONG REGISTRATION WENT UP and were waiting for over an hour after checking in the channel. When there were like 40 people at least who were diamond and below entered into the bracket. Ridiculous. If you didn't sign up 2 hours after Registration went up, you were boned. Really great for helping out North American Esports when your only way into the pro scene for the entire year is a 2 hour sign up period with absurd rules and absolutely zero clarity in advance on how the tournament is set up. I will personally be boycotting MLG this year until they step this shit up. | ||
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gamerdude12345
Korea (South)378 Posts
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On April 21 2013 06:21 grs wrote: The EU qualifier was done very well. Maybe you can make a better esport organization, running for almost 20 years now. Start today. No point in that, though. Dreamhack was a better organization at making tournaments and it didn't get them anywhere. WCS Europe was okay, but I can understand that the frustration about how things are handled around WCS adds up. Much about it feels artificial, forced and/or unprofessional. | ||
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purakushi
United States3301 Posts
I hope the Chinese players can do well. They were absolutely wronged. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
I really wanted to see some Chinese players in the WCS, though. They are very skilled for how little recognition they get =/. Hopefully they aren't losing out too much for any of this. | ||
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
Then MLG giving out their qualifier schedule, registration, without much time to prepare. They should of generated the bracket days earlier with an early registration. That way if any important top pros were left out, it could be resolved. Since there is no registration fee, it has to be top masters & up. Then check-in two hours earlier so they can replace those who don't show up | ||
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HereBeDragons
1429 Posts
On April 21 2013 06:11 Clbull wrote: We should just boycott WCS and Blizzard events at this point. The WCS Europe qualifiers have been a complete fucking joke up to this point due to the way they've ran their qualifiers and now we have entry into WCS America governed literally by just one 512 man bracket qualifier tournament. Consider the fact that leagues and players have genuinely been fucked over by Blizzard's plans. Why is ESL, an organisation that has hosted tournaments of sometimes questionable quality around the world, picked over Dreamhack, an organisation that has hosted some of the best produced SC2 tournaments in the world? And what about WCS America? Imagine how much better it would have been if NASL as well as MLG were producing it? That's right, leave out the only other influential league in favour of an exclusivity deal. And what stake do IPL's former staff have to play in this too? Oh and what about players like Scarlett who genuinely planned to play in GSL but can't because she was invited to WCS America? I don't see how "boycotting" WCS would help solve anything, nor grow the scene. EU qualifiers had its problems and could be improved but overall I'd say ESL handled that pretty well. Here's the two things that people bitch about most after comparing the NA to the EU qualifiers: 1. One 512-players qualifier. I do believe an open bracket should be open to anyone. ESL accommodated that with unlimited brackets on day 1 and 4. Many people missed day3 because check-ins were full after 65 seconds. But at least there were 4 qualifiers you could participate in. MLG seems to have trouble with poor communications which resulted in players being left out. 2. One stream for NA browsing brackets for the first hour. For EU, there were more than a dozen community streams going on at the same time (at least 4 were English), if you don't like certain casters, have too much downtime, bad game qualities, you can always switch to another stream at an instant. Many people just have multiple streams up at once to catch all the games of players they want to follow. We had choices. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On April 21 2013 06:27 Blargh wrote: Not the biggest of deals since this is only a qualifier, but obviously this shouldn't have happened in the first place. I don't know why they don't just make it so you have to be masters+ on any region to register. You'd filter out so much spam that way. I wonder what % of the players who registered were top masters players... I really wanted to see some Chinese players in the WCS, though. They are very skilled for how little recognition they get =/. Hopefully they aren't losing out too much for any of this. It's THE qualifier... | ||
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On April 21 2013 06:27 Blargh wrote: Not the biggest of deals since this is only a qualifier, but obviously this shouldn't have happened in the first place. I don't know why they don't just make it so you have to be masters+ on any region to register. You'd filter out so much spam that way. I wonder what % of the players who registered were top masters players... I really wanted to see some Chinese players in the WCS, though. They are very skilled for how little recognition they get =/. Hopefully they aren't losing out too much for any of this. It's their only chance for getting into Premier for this season. 17th-32nd in Premier is an extra $1200 in prize money over top 8 in Challenger. I'm pretty sure it's a big deal to them. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
Eh, you're right. I suppose it should be taken seriously since it's the difference between Code S and Code A basically (or not at all?) Plus, I was thinking like WCS EU's (four) qualifiers. Didn't really think it over  It just feels so much like 'random crappy qualifier'. Also, if it is only Masters+, then they should have definitely just extended the bracket =/ | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
So I think its okay not to take in non reginal players, I mean we also dont let brazil play in europe soccer championship ? Or did I understand the WCS wrong ? | ||
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vzSo
Switzerland33 Posts
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JMDj
United States454 Posts
I tried talking to one of the admins about this issue but he told me that none of the admins know anything about seeding and that some of the more known players were let in because 'they may have been invited players'. Seems pretty silly for a supposedly open qualifier. | ||
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