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Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
April 21 2013 00:43 GMT
#81
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won.
Littlemuff
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom301 Posts
April 21 2013 00:44 GMT
#82
Well he just lost to Miya so I'm unsure what the situation is with him. Maybe Catz gets his place in lower bracket? MLG said they're looking into replays and such. Got this from twitter.
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
April 21 2013 00:46 GMT
#83
On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won.


yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 21 2013 00:47 GMT
#84
Is Dejmien registered in WCS EU? If so we have proof that he's playing multiple accounts in WCS.
ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
April 21 2013 00:49 GMT
#85
On April 21 2013 09:44 Littlemuff wrote:
Well he just lost to Miya so I'm unsure what the situation is with him. Maybe Catz gets his place in lower bracket? MLG said they're looking into replays and such. Got this from twitter.


Perhaps he turned off the hacks to make it seem like he wasn't hacking at all? Cause the games between Catz and the hacker wasn't spectated or casted, meanwhile the game between the hacker and Miya was spectated.
TricksAre4Figs
Profile Joined May 2010
United States125 Posts
April 21 2013 00:50 GMT
#86
On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won.


yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament

This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there.
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Shin_Gouki
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States313 Posts
April 21 2013 00:51 GMT
#87
On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won.


yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament

This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there.


Yea, it was depressing when they shut down the thread, despite the amount of evidence was there. If anything, it should have stayed up because multiple people were coming out, and information was being spread all over the place. This literally could have been prevented.
Death comes in many forms
Littlemuff
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom301 Posts
April 21 2013 00:54 GMT
#88
On April 21 2013 09:51 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won.


yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament

This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there.


Yea, it was depressing when they shut down the thread, despite the amount of evidence was there. If anything, it should have stayed up because multiple people were coming out, and information was being spread all over the place. This literally could have been prevented.

Maybe admins have been told to crack down on the investigations after the Boston Investigation thread went wrong? Bare in mind I dont know how Reddit properly works.
Zath.erin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada429 Posts
April 21 2013 00:55 GMT
#89
On April 21 2013 09:51 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won.


yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament

This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there.


Yea, it was depressing when they shut down the thread, despite the amount of evidence was there. If anything, it should have stayed up because multiple people were coming out, and information was being spread all over the place. This literally could have been prevented.


What was originally in it? When I saw it the evidence was pretty weak. There was some sort of evidence pointing towards someone else playing the account, but not really much in the way of map hacking, even now there isn't any glaring evidence of map hack. Maybe if your thread had focus'd on the theory of someone else playing the account rather then map hacking it could have turned out better. I also think you should have got a bit more evidence / proof before coming, starting on something like this prematurely with a lack of evidence never really turns out well.
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starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
April 21 2013 01:03 GMT
#90
On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won.


yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament

This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there.


If you have concrete proof that the player was hacking you should contact Marine with the information. I looked around and couldn't find any proof myself.
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 01:08:54
April 21 2013 01:07 GMT
#91
On April 21 2013 09:55 Zath.erin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 09:51 Shin_Gouki wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won.


yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament

This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there.


Yea, it was depressing when they shut down the thread, despite the amount of evidence was there. If anything, it should have stayed up because multiple people were coming out, and information was being spread all over the place. This literally could have been prevented.


What was originally in it? When I saw it the evidence was pretty weak. There was some sort of evidence pointing towards someone else playing the account, but not really much in the way of map hacking, even now there isn't any glaring evidence of map hack. Maybe if your thread had focus'd on the theory of someone else playing the account rather then map hacking it could have turned out better. I also think you should have got a bit more evidence / proof before coming, starting on something like this prematurely with a lack of evidence never really turns out well.


In the game vs. Protoss you can see him never scan or scout, all he can see is Collo 2x Forge, without scouting he prepares with lots of Turrets and also at one point as the Shrine is almost complete and he took his 3rd he was banking tons of energy on the CC's - so without scouting the Shrine and considering its timing why is a Terran saving so much energy when they just landed their 3rd instead of dropping a ton of mules?

At one point when the Zealot gets warped in he is monitoring that area intensively, even tho he is pressing the 3rd of the P, then reacts practically immediately on the warp in. His movements seem to also "luckily" favor him before any engagement (even though he lost one massively). Also at one point when the P army is pressing upwards to his 3rd, which he has absolutely no vision of but decides to move his army back even though he was trying to deal with the DT.

Point is you can be really clever in hiding map hacking, i.e. looking only at minimap and reacting at last moment, but this case the several occasions where he could have taken a lot of damage he manages to be in the right positions to stop them even though he has not scanned or scouted.

Looking at his mechanics and play I find it very fishy. I cannot say 100% that he is map hacking, but I cannot overlook how lucky he is despite his abysmal scouting.
Zath.erin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada429 Posts
April 21 2013 01:11 GMT
#92
On April 21 2013 10:07 BeyondCtrL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 09:55 Zath.erin wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:51 Shin_Gouki wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won.


yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament

This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there.


Yea, it was depressing when they shut down the thread, despite the amount of evidence was there. If anything, it should have stayed up because multiple people were coming out, and information was being spread all over the place. This literally could have been prevented.


What was originally in it? When I saw it the evidence was pretty weak. There was some sort of evidence pointing towards someone else playing the account, but not really much in the way of map hacking, even now there isn't any glaring evidence of map hack. Maybe if your thread had focus'd on the theory of someone else playing the account rather then map hacking it could have turned out better. I also think you should have got a bit more evidence / proof before coming, starting on something like this prematurely with a lack of evidence never really turns out well.


In the game vs. Protoss you can see him never scan or scout, all he can see is Collo 2x Forge, without scouting he prepares with lots of Turrets and also at one point as the Shrine is almost complete and he took his 3rd he was banking tons of energy on the CC's - so without scouting the Shrine and considering its timing why is a Terran saving so much energy when they just landed their 3rd instead of dropping a ton of mules?

At one point when the Zealot gets warped in he is monitoring that area intensively, even tho he is pressing the 3rd of the P, then reacts practically immediately on the warp in. His movements seem to also "luckily" favor him before any engagement (even though he lost one massively). Also at one point when the P army is pressing upwards to his 3rd, which he has absolutely no vision of but decides to move his army back even though he was trying to deal with the DT.

Point is you can be really clever in hiding map hacking, i.e. looking only at minimap and reacting at last moment, but this case the several occasions where he could have taken a lot of damage he manages to be in the right positions to stop them even though he has not scanned or scouted.

Looking at his mechanics and play I find it very fishy. I cannot say 100% that he is map hacking, but I cannot overlook how lucky he is despite his abysmal scouting.

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's at least production tab, I've watched him in several clan wars pretty closely after someone told me they thought he was a maphcker. What I found was he wouldn't see drops coming in advance but always seemed to counter the opponents build so who knows.
I put my pants on just like the rest of you - one leg at a time. Except once my pants are on, i make gold records!
Shin_Gouki
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 01:20:33
April 21 2013 01:15 GMT
#93
On April 21 2013 09:55 Zath.erin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 09:51 Shin_Gouki wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won.


yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament

This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there.


Yea, it was depressing when they shut down the thread, despite the amount of evidence was there. If anything, it should have stayed up because multiple people were coming out, and information was being spread all over the place. This literally could have been prevented.


What was originally in it? When I saw it the evidence was pretty weak. There was some sort of evidence pointing towards someone else playing the account, but not really much in the way of map hacking, even now there isn't any glaring evidence of map hack. Maybe if your thread had focus'd on the theory of someone else playing the account rather then map hacking it could have turned out better. I also think you should have got a bit more evidence / proof before coming, starting on something like this prematurely with a lack of evidence never really turns out well.


The thread was pointing out that, A. Someone else was playing under his account, B. he was a hacker, or both. There was no "concrete proof" (there never is when it comes to production hacks and map hacking), but the amount of blind counters physics had, different hotkeys, and the fact that he'd only stream 2v2s, 3v3s, and 4v4s were odd. We also mentioned his 22-0 GM win streak*, which even top tier players don't get 22 straight wins in a row.
Death comes in many forms
orangeorange
Profile Joined October 2012
134 Posts
April 21 2013 01:24 GMT
#94
On April 21 2013 10:11 Zath.erin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 10:07 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:55 Zath.erin wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:51 Shin_Gouki wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won.


yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament

This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there.


Yea, it was depressing when they shut down the thread, despite the amount of evidence was there. If anything, it should have stayed up because multiple people were coming out, and information was being spread all over the place. This literally could have been prevented.


What was originally in it? When I saw it the evidence was pretty weak. There was some sort of evidence pointing towards someone else playing the account, but not really much in the way of map hacking, even now there isn't any glaring evidence of map hack. Maybe if your thread had focus'd on the theory of someone else playing the account rather then map hacking it could have turned out better. I also think you should have got a bit more evidence / proof before coming, starting on something like this prematurely with a lack of evidence never really turns out well.


In the game vs. Protoss you can see him never scan or scout, all he can see is Collo 2x Forge, without scouting he prepares with lots of Turrets and also at one point as the Shrine is almost complete and he took his 3rd he was banking tons of energy on the CC's - so without scouting the Shrine and considering its timing why is a Terran saving so much energy when they just landed their 3rd instead of dropping a ton of mules?

At one point when the Zealot gets warped in he is monitoring that area intensively, even tho he is pressing the 3rd of the P, then reacts practically immediately on the warp in. His movements seem to also "luckily" favor him before any engagement (even though he lost one massively). Also at one point when the P army is pressing upwards to his 3rd, which he has absolutely no vision of but decides to move his army back even though he was trying to deal with the DT.

Point is you can be really clever in hiding map hacking, i.e. looking only at minimap and reacting at last moment, but this case the several occasions where he could have taken a lot of damage he manages to be in the right positions to stop them even though he has not scanned or scouted.

Looking at his mechanics and play I find it very fishy. I cannot say 100% that he is map hacking, but I cannot overlook how lucky he is despite his abysmal scouting.

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's at least production tab, I've watched him in several clan wars pretty closely after someone told me they thought he was a maphcker. What I found was he wouldn't see drops coming in advance but always seemed to counter the opponents build so who knows.


I'm glad this is finally coming out (and that people are backing up what I said with concrete proof - Kalinov knows 100% what he's talking about). As I said, I know the guy and I know he production tab hacks. It's easy to look at one replay and say he "got lucky" but if you collect a large enough sample of his GM ladder/tourney replays, you'll see he always makes the correct tech choices (e.g. throwing down double starport if robo bay goes up...), always scans bases at the right time if his opponent is doing some weird tech choice, varies his opening if his opponent does a weird opening, etc. Here's a post that he made on an online hacking forum in connection with his leveling service:

"Production tab is always good in some tourneys, noone of cheeses in BO1 can kill you.
As a bonus I can tell you, that few pros (no need to tell their names) also uses it in online tourneys."
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
April 21 2013 01:29 GMT
#95
On April 21 2013 10:24 orangeorange wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 10:11 Zath.erin wrote:
On April 21 2013 10:07 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:55 Zath.erin wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:51 Shin_Gouki wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won.


yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament

This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there.


Yea, it was depressing when they shut down the thread, despite the amount of evidence was there. If anything, it should have stayed up because multiple people were coming out, and information was being spread all over the place. This literally could have been prevented.


What was originally in it? When I saw it the evidence was pretty weak. There was some sort of evidence pointing towards someone else playing the account, but not really much in the way of map hacking, even now there isn't any glaring evidence of map hack. Maybe if your thread had focus'd on the theory of someone else playing the account rather then map hacking it could have turned out better. I also think you should have got a bit more evidence / proof before coming, starting on something like this prematurely with a lack of evidence never really turns out well.


In the game vs. Protoss you can see him never scan or scout, all he can see is Collo 2x Forge, without scouting he prepares with lots of Turrets and also at one point as the Shrine is almost complete and he took his 3rd he was banking tons of energy on the CC's - so without scouting the Shrine and considering its timing why is a Terran saving so much energy when they just landed their 3rd instead of dropping a ton of mules?

At one point when the Zealot gets warped in he is monitoring that area intensively, even tho he is pressing the 3rd of the P, then reacts practically immediately on the warp in. His movements seem to also "luckily" favor him before any engagement (even though he lost one massively). Also at one point when the P army is pressing upwards to his 3rd, which he has absolutely no vision of but decides to move his army back even though he was trying to deal with the DT.

Point is you can be really clever in hiding map hacking, i.e. looking only at minimap and reacting at last moment, but this case the several occasions where he could have taken a lot of damage he manages to be in the right positions to stop them even though he has not scanned or scouted.

Looking at his mechanics and play I find it very fishy. I cannot say 100% that he is map hacking, but I cannot overlook how lucky he is despite his abysmal scouting.

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's at least production tab, I've watched him in several clan wars pretty closely after someone told me they thought he was a maphcker. What I found was he wouldn't see drops coming in advance but always seemed to counter the opponents build so who knows.


I'm glad this is finally coming out (and that people are backing up what I said with concrete proof - Kalinov knows 100% what he's talking about). As I said, I know the guy and I know he production tab hacks. It's easy to look at one replay and say he "got lucky" but if you collect a large enough sample of his GM ladder/tourney replays, you'll see he always makes the correct tech choices (e.g. throwing down double starport if robo bay goes up...), always scans bases at the right time if his opponent is doing some weird tech choice, varies his opening if his opponent does a weird opening, etc. Here's a post that he made on an online hacking forum in connection with his leveling service:

"Production tab is always good in some tourneys, noone of cheeses in BO1 can kill you.
As a bonus I can tell you, that few pros (no need to tell their names) also uses it in online tourneys."


What do you mean no need to tell their names? Cheating is cheating, and cheaters need to be revealed and weeded out. When it comes to cheesing or weird builds the production tab will tell you as much as a map hack, no problem. Blizzard needs to seriously change the way the client works, otherwise these hacks are completely undetectable by Warden.
Zath.erin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada429 Posts
April 21 2013 01:30 GMT
#96
On April 21 2013 10:24 orangeorange wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 10:11 Zath.erin wrote:
On April 21 2013 10:07 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:55 Zath.erin wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:51 Shin_Gouki wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won.


yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament

This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there.


Yea, it was depressing when they shut down the thread, despite the amount of evidence was there. If anything, it should have stayed up because multiple people were coming out, and information was being spread all over the place. This literally could have been prevented.


What was originally in it? When I saw it the evidence was pretty weak. There was some sort of evidence pointing towards someone else playing the account, but not really much in the way of map hacking, even now there isn't any glaring evidence of map hack. Maybe if your thread had focus'd on the theory of someone else playing the account rather then map hacking it could have turned out better. I also think you should have got a bit more evidence / proof before coming, starting on something like this prematurely with a lack of evidence never really turns out well.


In the game vs. Protoss you can see him never scan or scout, all he can see is Collo 2x Forge, without scouting he prepares with lots of Turrets and also at one point as the Shrine is almost complete and he took his 3rd he was banking tons of energy on the CC's - so without scouting the Shrine and considering its timing why is a Terran saving so much energy when they just landed their 3rd instead of dropping a ton of mules?

At one point when the Zealot gets warped in he is monitoring that area intensively, even tho he is pressing the 3rd of the P, then reacts practically immediately on the warp in. His movements seem to also "luckily" favor him before any engagement (even though he lost one massively). Also at one point when the P army is pressing upwards to his 3rd, which he has absolutely no vision of but decides to move his army back even though he was trying to deal with the DT.

Point is you can be really clever in hiding map hacking, i.e. looking only at minimap and reacting at last moment, but this case the several occasions where he could have taken a lot of damage he manages to be in the right positions to stop them even though he has not scanned or scouted.

Looking at his mechanics and play I find it very fishy. I cannot say 100% that he is map hacking, but I cannot overlook how lucky he is despite his abysmal scouting.

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's at least production tab, I've watched him in several clan wars pretty closely after someone told me they thought he was a maphcker. What I found was he wouldn't see drops coming in advance but always seemed to counter the opponents build so who knows.


I'm glad this is finally coming out (and that people are backing up what I said with concrete proof - Kalinov knows 100% what he's talking about). As I said, I know the guy and I know he production tab hacks. It's easy to look at one replay and say he "got lucky" but if you collect a large enough sample of his GM ladder/tourney replays, you'll see he always makes the correct tech choices (e.g. throwing down double starport if robo bay goes up...), always scans bases at the right time if his opponent is doing some weird tech choice, varies his opening if his opponent does a weird opening, etc. Here's a post that he made on an online hacking forum in connection with his leveling service:

"Production tab is always good in some tourneys, noone of cheeses in BO1 can kill you.
As a bonus I can tell you, that few pros (no need to tell their names) also uses it in online tourneys."


And whom is this quote from?
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KalinovSC2
Profile Joined January 2013
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 01:37:11
April 21 2013 01:32 GMT
#97
On April 21 2013 10:24 orangeorange wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 10:11 Zath.erin wrote:
On April 21 2013 10:07 BeyondCtrL wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:55 Zath.erin wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:51 Shin_Gouki wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:50 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:46 .kv wrote:
On April 21 2013 09:43 Megiddosc wrote:
According to MLGAdam, he lost to Miya. Thank god. Would have hated if he had won.


yeah but what about catz and the others that faced physicslee...this just unfortunate this investigation happens to happen in the middle of the entire tournament

This was originally exposed on Reddit with plenty of evidence. For the record, Reddit admins felt the need to close the thread for a "lack of evidence" when actually there was plenty. This could have potentially come out in full days ago, however I feel Reddit admins did a disservice to the community by closing the original thread there.


Yea, it was depressing when they shut down the thread, despite the amount of evidence was there. If anything, it should have stayed up because multiple people were coming out, and information was being spread all over the place. This literally could have been prevented.


What was originally in it? When I saw it the evidence was pretty weak. There was some sort of evidence pointing towards someone else playing the account, but not really much in the way of map hacking, even now there isn't any glaring evidence of map hack. Maybe if your thread had focus'd on the theory of someone else playing the account rather then map hacking it could have turned out better. I also think you should have got a bit more evidence / proof before coming, starting on something like this prematurely with a lack of evidence never really turns out well.


In the game vs. Protoss you can see him never scan or scout, all he can see is Collo 2x Forge, without scouting he prepares with lots of Turrets and also at one point as the Shrine is almost complete and he took his 3rd he was banking tons of energy on the CC's - so without scouting the Shrine and considering its timing why is a Terran saving so much energy when they just landed their 3rd instead of dropping a ton of mules?

At one point when the Zealot gets warped in he is monitoring that area intensively, even tho he is pressing the 3rd of the P, then reacts practically immediately on the warp in. His movements seem to also "luckily" favor him before any engagement (even though he lost one massively). Also at one point when the P army is pressing upwards to his 3rd, which he has absolutely no vision of but decides to move his army back even though he was trying to deal with the DT.

Point is you can be really clever in hiding map hacking, i.e. looking only at minimap and reacting at last moment, but this case the several occasions where he could have taken a lot of damage he manages to be in the right positions to stop them even though he has not scanned or scouted.

Looking at his mechanics and play I find it very fishy. I cannot say 100% that he is map hacking, but I cannot overlook how lucky he is despite his abysmal scouting.

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's at least production tab, I've watched him in several clan wars pretty closely after someone told me they thought he was a maphcker. What I found was he wouldn't see drops coming in advance but always seemed to counter the opponents build so who knows.


I'm glad this is finally coming out (and that people are backing up what I said with concrete proof - Kalinov knows 100% what he's talking about). As I said, I know the guy and I know he production tab hacks. It's easy to look at one replay and say he "got lucky" but if you collect a large enough sample of his GM ladder/tourney replays, you'll see he always makes the correct tech choices (e.g. throwing down double starport if robo bay goes up...), always scans bases at the right time if his opponent is doing some weird tech choice, varies his opening if his opponent does a weird opening, etc. Here's a post that he made on an online hacking forum in connection with his leveling service:

"Production tab is always good in some tourneys, noone of cheeses in BO1 can kill you.
As a bonus I can tell you, that few pros (no need to tell their names) also uses it in online tourneys."



Thanks OrangeOrange for initially presenting the needed information to find out it was Dejmien. I can't believe he wouldn't be DQ'd (out now so I guess banned from future tournaments for some time period?) at least for account sharing.
orangeorange
Profile Joined October 2012
134 Posts
April 21 2013 01:37 GMT
#98
Good work to you too Kalinov

BeyondCtrL - that's not my quote, it's what the "leveler" posted himself on an online forum regarding production tab hacking.
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 01:40:11
April 21 2013 01:39 GMT
#99
On April 21 2013 10:37 orangeorange wrote:
Good work to you too Kalinov

BeyondCtrL - that's not my quote, it's what the "leveler" posted himself on an online forum regarding production tab hacking.


Ah, sorry then, I mistakenly thought there was a lack of quotation marks which made me believe that is was your own statement. My bad.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 21 2013 01:46 GMT
#100
Ok I did some research into some of the games of this physicsLee guy, all I can say is that it is very fishy but not conclusive, he makes some strange decisions without scouting.

vs Viptastic

http://drop.sc/325955
5:30 lots of lings and Bane nest, not scouted
instantly closes depot and brings marines inside


http://drop.sc/325956
2 bunkers go down at 5:48 as the bane nest comes
no scouting,

Vs Duster

http://drop.sc/325945
15:30 turret timing and placement is nicely aligned
16:20 turret placement again
and crazy reactions for basically nothing



http://drop.sc/325946
5:50 moves to intercept MC, inconclusive
9:00 double starport vs quick collosus, no scouting

Hopefully get some more investigation on this, nothing conclusive here so not accusing anyone
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