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On April 23 2013 10:05 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
Honestly Marine pipe down with your high road bullshit. We told you what was going on and you made up excuses and called us "haters" and refused to take a fair look at the situation.
Why do you say we as if you were at all relevant to the process that revealed what was going on with physics. All you've done is spout nonsense like marine was in on it for the money, as if there is money in amateur SC2 teams. Cool it with the personal attacks you're really coming off as foolish and immature.
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Time out for a second; you guys really need to fix your quote bbcode. Shit is hard to read.
Okay, moving on.
On April 23 2013 10:05 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
Honestly Marine pipe down with your high road bullshit. We told you what was going on and you made up excuses and called us "haters" and refused to take a fair look at the situation.
Were you one of the Twitch chat randoms, chatting about how PhysicsLee was a hacker?
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Yes, I watched with an open mind and it was OBVIOUS that Physics was not a GM player. And for the record I didn't attack iMp at that time or anyone else in iMp, just Physics himself. I was calling out PHYSICSLEE only at that time. However some of your members reacted very aggressively to us for merely trying to alert you to this highly suspicious player.
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I never mentioned ANYTHING ABOUT DRINKING. I was pissed, I hated the fact that another clown was accused. I told you "I left the team because I can't rep a tag that potentially has a hacker." After that, you pretty much just real-ID removed me, and I breezed my own way. And by breezin, I mean, I went for as much evidence as possible.
And who the fuck is "ShinGoku" I've been on the team for a year, get the name right.
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On April 23 2013 10:20 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
Yes, I watched with an open mind and it was OBVIOUS that Physics was not a GM player. And for the record I didn't attack iMp at that time or anyone else in iMp, just Physics himself. I was calling out PHYSICSLEE only at that time. However some of your members reacted very aggressively to us for merely trying to alert you to this highly suspicious player.
Yeah, it's not like Twitch chats ever shit on the player they're watching. I mean, it's not like Shin_Gouki just called the entirety of Impulse "Gold league players" just now. I guess he was being serious too, and all of Impulse are actually Gold Leaguers cheating their way to higher leagues.
You insulted a player in an environment filled to the brim with flamers, trolls and assholes, and you're remotely surprised that no one takes you seriously?
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On April 23 2013 10:20 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
Yes, I watched with an open mind and it was OBVIOUS that Physics was not a GM player. And for the record I didn't attack iMp at that time or anyone else in iMp, just Physics himself. I was calling out PHYSICSLEE only at that time. However some of your members reacted very aggressively to us for merely trying to alert you to this highly suspicious player.
I just want to take a moment to give you praise for possibly being the only honest person ever when making serious accusations in a Twitch chat.
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If you type in "physicslee maphack" in google you find my replay and another one. I guess that wasnt too hard to investigate.
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Yea, it takes a special kind of bias to not recognize that a player with 22 consecutive WINS in GRANDMASTER LEAGUE vs PROGAMERS cannot win 1 single game on stream and then, after 0-8, terrible defeats, turns off stream? And never to be seen again on stream[EDIT: playing 1v1's] in fact. Did you guys think these facts were no big deal?
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On April 23 2013 10:27 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 10:20 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
Yes, I watched with an open mind and it was OBVIOUS that Physics was not a GM player. And for the record I didn't attack iMp at that time or anyone else in iMp, just Physics himself. I was calling out PHYSICSLEE only at that time. However some of your members reacted very aggressively to us for merely trying to alert you to this highly suspicious player. Yeah, it's not like Twitch chats ever shit on the player they're watching. I mean, it's not like Shin_Gouki just called the entirety of Impulse "Gold league players" just now. I guess he was being serious too, and all of Impulse are actually Gold Leaguers cheating their way to higher leagues. You insulted a player in an environment filled to the brim with flamers, trolls and assholes, and you're remotely surprised that no one takes you seriously?
Physics had no viewers but 5 or 6 at that time, but it is true in that regard. Everyone on twitch is usually BMing the player. Physics knew we knew though, laughing it off originally till he went 0-8.
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On April 23 2013 10:00 iMpMarine wrote:
Finally, today I talked to physics, and because he was unwilling to co-operate an longer in helping us with this issue I decided to let him go. I still am not sure if he is guilty or Innocent, but all I can say is that because he was unwilling to cooperate with us in this matter an longer we obviously felt it was time to let him go.
-Marine-
are you seriously not sure if he is guilty or innocent? you think players play with different hotkeys one for streaming and one for off streaming? you still think his macro is applicable for a GM player? you still think him having the build order advantage 100% of the time off stream is all luck? sorry but this blatant
Yes he was investigated by MLG to look further into it to see if he is a hacker and was later on removed in the tournament. They didn't remove him on the spot when 100s of people requested them to do so. Of course we don't know exactly what they found so we will just forget about this.
Bu what does it take to acknowledge that he is a hacker in HotS just like he was in WoL? Does it have to come out of his mouth? Does it take Blizzard to ban his account and bring him down to the Bronze league?
come on man....you are better than this
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On April 23 2013 10:34 TricksAre4Figs wrote:
Yea, it takes a special kind of bias to not recognize that a player with 22 consecutive WINS in GRANDMASTER LEAGUE vs PROGAMERS cannot win 1 single game on stream and then, after 0-8, terrible defeats, turns off stream? And never to be seen again on stream[EDIT: playing 1v1's] in fact. Did you guys think these facts were no big deal?
We were investigating him at that point. Why do you think PhysicsLee streamed that 0-8 loss? We told him to do it.
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I don't know why everyone is giving these people so much shit. At this point, yes, physicslee is clearly a suspicious character, but I don't think the OP and others from this team deserve this much shit. They took their time getting investigating whether one of their players was cheating or not - so what? Physicslee should be the one getting 100% of the blame here.
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On April 23 2013 10:39 .kv wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 10:00 iMpMarine wrote:
Finally, today I talked to physics, and because he was unwilling to co-operate an longer in helping us with this issue I decided to let him go. I still am not sure if he is guilty or Innocent, but all I can say is that because he was unwilling to cooperate with us in this matter an longer we obviously felt it was time to let him go.
-Marine- are you seriously not sure if he is guilty or innocent? you think players play with different hotkeys one for streaming and one for off streaming? you still think his macro is applicable for a GM player? you still think him having the build order advantage 100% of the time off stream is all luck? sorry but this blatant Yes he was investigated by MLG to look further into it to see if he is a hacker and was later on removed in the tournament. They didn't remove him on the spot when 100s of people requested them to do so. Of course we don't know exactly what they found so we will just forget about this. Bu what does it take to acknowledge that he is a hacker in HotS just like he was in WoL? Does it have to come out of his mouth? Does it take Blizzard to ban his account and bring him down to the Bronze league? come on man....you are better than this
Don't be a worthless prick. iMpMarine has done everything very professionally. This guy should actually be a model for team managers. He has not been disrespectful to any party, at all. I could care less whether or not he believes Physics hacks or not (I imagine he does, by now). He handled the situation perfectly from his position.
Him coming out and saying "Oh the player on my team was definitely cheating, just look at all of these replays!" doesn't do anything for anyone. Physics was released. Nothing more needs to be done. Grow up.
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On April 23 2013 11:06 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 10:39 .kv wrote:On April 23 2013 10:00 iMpMarine wrote:
Finally, today I talked to physics, and because he was unwilling to co-operate an longer in helping us with this issue I decided to let him go. I still am not sure if he is guilty or Innocent, but all I can say is that because he was unwilling to cooperate with us in this matter an longer we obviously felt it was time to let him go.
-Marine- are you seriously not sure if he is guilty or innocent? you think players play with different hotkeys one for streaming and one for off streaming? you still think his macro is applicable for a GM player? you still think him having the build order advantage 100% of the time off stream is all luck? sorry but this blatant Yes he was investigated by MLG to look further into it to see if he is a hacker and was later on removed in the tournament. They didn't remove him on the spot when 100s of people requested them to do so. Of course we don't know exactly what they found so we will just forget about this. Bu what does it take to acknowledge that he is a hacker in HotS just like he was in WoL? Does it have to come out of his mouth? Does it take Blizzard to ban his account and bring him down to the Bronze league? come on man....you are better than this Him coming out and saying "Oh the player on my team was definitely cheating, just look at all of these replays!" doesn't do anything for anyone. Physics was released. Nothing more needs to be done. Grow up.
Why not? Just why not?
I get that this isnt easy to handle but after all that evidence you should at least have the balls and say "yes this guy was a maphacker and therefore he was kicked out of the team" and not go by "well there wasnt any real evidence just suspicious blabla innocent until proven."
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On April 23 2013 11:06 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 10:39 .kv wrote:On April 23 2013 10:00 iMpMarine wrote:
Finally, today I talked to physics, and because he was unwilling to co-operate an longer in helping us with this issue I decided to let him go. I still am not sure if he is guilty or Innocent, but all I can say is that because he was unwilling to cooperate with us in this matter an longer we obviously felt it was time to let him go.
-Marine- are you seriously not sure if he is guilty or innocent? you think players play with different hotkeys one for streaming and one for off streaming? you still think his macro is applicable for a GM player? you still think him having the build order advantage 100% of the time off stream is all luck? sorry but this blatant Yes he was investigated by MLG to look further into it to see if he is a hacker and was later on removed in the tournament. They didn't remove him on the spot when 100s of people requested them to do so. Of course we don't know exactly what they found so we will just forget about this. Bu what does it take to acknowledge that he is a hacker in HotS just like he was in WoL? Does it have to come out of his mouth? Does it take Blizzard to ban his account and bring him down to the Bronze league? come on man....you are better than this Don't be a worthless prick. iMpMarine has done everything very professionally. This guy should actually be a model for team managers. He has not been disrespectful to any party, at all. I could care less whether or not he believes Physics hacks or not (I imagine he does, by now). He handled the situation perfectly from his position. Him coming out and saying "Oh the player on my team was definitely cheating, just look at all of these replays!" doesn't do anything for anyone. Physics was released. Nothing more needs to be done. Grow up.
huh? I actually know iMpMarine for quite awhile and have nothing but the utmost respect for him and what he's doing. I'm just baffled that he still isn't quite sure if he's guilty or not.
the "you are better than this" part is referring to him actually being a smart guy and should be better than this and know by now that he is indeed a hacker.
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Well at this point its obvious the same few people that hate Impulse will continue to bring false allegations and accusation against me and my team.
Maybe I missed a few things that people are pointing out now. All I know is I did my best to talk to people and try to get to the bottom of this matter which has now been resolved in the correct way I feel. As long as a player on my team claims his innocence and is willing to cooperate to fight the accusations I will stand by his side. That is true. It is when that person decides not to cooperate as we saw today that we decided to let Physics go.
I am sure people can always find fault in others when they look hard enough.
I think since the matter has been resolved in relation to our team. That we have released physicsLee. I will leave this thread now. Its just turning into a he said she said argument.
For those of you who know me. Thank you for your understand and support in this matter. I know in my heart I tried my best, and feel we have resolved this manner well.
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On April 23 2013 11:30 iMpMarine wrote:
Well at this point its obvious the same few people that hate Impulse will continue to bring false allegations and accusation against me and my team.
Maybe I missed a few things that people are pointing out now. All I know is I did my best to talk to people and try to get to the bottom of this matter which has now been resolved in the correct way I feel. As long as a player on my team claims his innocence and is willing to cooperate to fight the accusations I will stand by his side. That is true. It is when that person decides not to cooperate as we saw today that we decided to let Physics go.
I am sure people can always find fault in others when they look hard enough.
I think since the matter has been resolved in relation to our team. That we have released physicsLee. I will leave this thread now. Its just turning into a he said she said argument.
For those of you who know me. Thank you for your understand and support in this matter. I know in my heart I tried my best, and feel we have resolved this manner well.
You handled this as best you could. Hell if you were perfect people would have hated... I respect you for how you handled the situation and I am truly sorry that if it was true I wasn't able to warn you. His last couple of weeks at xO he didn't want to practice with us anymore and that is when he went from low GM to high GM... I honestly believe this is when it all started but it could have been before that or hell he might be innocent. Regardless I respect how you handled this marine and I hope you the best of luck in the future!
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On April 23 2013 11:12 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 11:06 Blargh wrote:On April 23 2013 10:39 .kv wrote:On April 23 2013 10:00 iMpMarine wrote:
Finally, today I talked to physics, and because he was unwilling to co-operate an longer in helping us with this issue I decided to let him go. I still am not sure if he is guilty or Innocent, but all I can say is that because he was unwilling to cooperate with us in this matter an longer we obviously felt it was time to let him go.
-Marine- are you seriously not sure if he is guilty or innocent? you think players play with different hotkeys one for streaming and one for off streaming? you still think his macro is applicable for a GM player? you still think him having the build order advantage 100% of the time off stream is all luck? sorry but this blatant Yes he was investigated by MLG to look further into it to see if he is a hacker and was later on removed in the tournament. They didn't remove him on the spot when 100s of people requested them to do so. Of course we don't know exactly what they found so we will just forget about this. Bu what does it take to acknowledge that he is a hacker in HotS just like he was in WoL? Does it have to come out of his mouth? Does it take Blizzard to ban his account and bring him down to the Bronze league? come on man....you are better than this Him coming out and saying "Oh the player on my team was definitely cheating, just look at all of these replays!" doesn't do anything for anyone. Physics was released. Nothing more needs to be done. Grow up. Why not? Just why not? I get that this isnt easy to handle but after all that evidence you should at least have the balls and say "yes this guy was a maphacker and therefore he was kicked out of the team" and not go by "well there wasnt any real evidence just suspicious blabla innocent until proven."
So whats the overall community "verdict"? was he a maphacker or did someone boost his account? This thread is a bit confusing.
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On April 23 2013 12:07 JacobShock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 11:12 Sokrates wrote:On April 23 2013 11:06 Blargh wrote:On April 23 2013 10:39 .kv wrote:On April 23 2013 10:00 iMpMarine wrote:
Finally, today I talked to physics, and because he was unwilling to co-operate an longer in helping us with this issue I decided to let him go. I still am not sure if he is guilty or Innocent, but all I can say is that because he was unwilling to cooperate with us in this matter an longer we obviously felt it was time to let him go.
-Marine- are you seriously not sure if he is guilty or innocent? you think players play with different hotkeys one for streaming and one for off streaming? you still think his macro is applicable for a GM player? you still think him having the build order advantage 100% of the time off stream is all luck? sorry but this blatant Yes he was investigated by MLG to look further into it to see if he is a hacker and was later on removed in the tournament. They didn't remove him on the spot when 100s of people requested them to do so. Of course we don't know exactly what they found so we will just forget about this. Bu what does it take to acknowledge that he is a hacker in HotS just like he was in WoL? Does it have to come out of his mouth? Does it take Blizzard to ban his account and bring him down to the Bronze league? come on man....you are better than this Him coming out and saying "Oh the player on my team was definitely cheating, just look at all of these replays!" doesn't do anything for anyone. Physics was released. Nothing more needs to be done. Grow up. Why not? Just why not? I get that this isnt easy to handle but after all that evidence you should at least have the balls and say "yes this guy was a maphacker and therefore he was kicked out of the team" and not go by "well there wasnt any real evidence just suspicious blabla innocent until proven." So whats the overall community "verdict"? was he a maphacker or did someone boost his account? This thread is a bit confusing.
I mean, we've seen people be concluded as hackers for less. We're obviously not going to get a confession.
If you were to ask me to bet $100 one way or the other, I'd feel pretty good about betting he hacks. The two set of hotkeys is pretty fishy. The allegations from people are fairly abundant. From what I heard, there are a fair amount of replays out there with him going with blind counters.
Poor CatZ..
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On April 23 2013 12:07 JacobShock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 11:12 Sokrates wrote:On April 23 2013 11:06 Blargh wrote:On April 23 2013 10:39 .kv wrote:On April 23 2013 10:00 iMpMarine wrote:
Finally, today I talked to physics, and because he was unwilling to co-operate an longer in helping us with this issue I decided to let him go. I still am not sure if he is guilty or Innocent, but all I can say is that because he was unwilling to cooperate with us in this matter an longer we obviously felt it was time to let him go.
-Marine- are you seriously not sure if he is guilty or innocent? you think players play with different hotkeys one for streaming and one for off streaming? you still think his macro is applicable for a GM player? you still think him having the build order advantage 100% of the time off stream is all luck? sorry but this blatant Yes he was investigated by MLG to look further into it to see if he is a hacker and was later on removed in the tournament. They didn't remove him on the spot when 100s of people requested them to do so. Of course we don't know exactly what they found so we will just forget about this. Bu what does it take to acknowledge that he is a hacker in HotS just like he was in WoL? Does it have to come out of his mouth? Does it take Blizzard to ban his account and bring him down to the Bronze league? come on man....you are better than this Him coming out and saying "Oh the player on my team was definitely cheating, just look at all of these replays!" doesn't do anything for anyone. Physics was released. Nothing more needs to be done. Grow up. Why not? Just why not? I get that this isnt easy to handle but after all that evidence you should at least have the balls and say "yes this guy was a maphacker and therefore he was kicked out of the team" and not go by "well there wasnt any real evidence just suspicious blabla innocent until proven." So whats the overall community "verdict"? was he a maphacker or did someone boost his account? This thread is a bit confusing.
Well I think the final verdict is one of the very first things posted in this thread, we just got enough evidence to prove it without a shadow of a doubt. See.
On April 19 2013 04:48 orangeorange wrote:
Physics is a boosted account - he has a booster play both GM ladder games and clanwars for him. The booster uses a production tab hack but does not maphack, so the replays generally look fine (it's just that he always seems lucky in countering builds). Source: I know the guy who boosts his account and I've been following this situation for some time wondering when it would come to light.
Very, very easy way to prove this for yourself:
Tell physics to send you the replays from the games he played on stream yesterday (where he went 0-8), or any other games where you KNOW 100% that it's him. This would exclude clanwar reps where he all-killed, GM ladder games that are on replay sites like drop.sc, etc.
Compare the two batches of replays in SC2gears. They will be nothing alike.
The booster has good mechanics, but his apm is much lower (200-250 or so). The guy who you know as physics has different hotkeys and much higher apm (300-400+, because he spams a lot) but has much worse mechanics and is a significantly worse player overall.
There, that's it. You can even tell looking at Physics' match history on battlenet. Whenever he's on one of his insane ladder winstreaks, or playing a clanwar game, his apm will be in the 200's. Whenever it's him playing as himself, it will be in the 400's. The pattern will match up 100%.
If you want to discuss further, PM me.
Based on the hotkey analysis and fishiness of play I would say this is 100% accurate. I don't know if we can prove Physicslee him self ever map hacked, but I believe the person he had play his account for ladder / clan wars / WCS was using a production hack, so the responsibility kind of falls on him.
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