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Sorry it’s not the whole interview. I translated all the important things and made sure that they are not misleading even without context.
1. About SPL and the Losing Streak
“I’m learning. I have been a player for a long time. I thought I could be a good coach but everything was against my will. When I practiced as a player, I forgot time. Sometimes I had a hard time understand my players. I have told them the standard strategies and builds but they have their own ways. They don’t accept.”
“Our record in the first round was decent, but then players started to pick maps. Because players who pick maps are the better performed ones, I thought it would be ok. But it turned out as a big problem. The other teams started to capitalize on this and countered it. The games were difficult”
“When I returned to SKT, I hope I can do my best to deliver more convenience to the players. But similar things happened just like Slayers. I was not a person who likes to give bad face to players, but because of this, I started to blame players (translator: it seems contradictory but the text is like that). During the middle of the season, I even sent some players back home. Players don’t have a sense of crisis, so I want to build a system of competition. I want to make sure that players don’t have the thought like ‘I’m in a list of big names, I can perform well even I just be a practice partner (or playing coach).’ ”
2. About SlayerS
When he was in SlayerS, Boxer was asked by a player “Bro, have you ever done anything for me?” It was a big controversy. Boxer hopes this wont happen again.
“I love my players back then and now. I was hoping the players in SlayerS can get well, but it was not a good end. I was very hurt. I don’t want to bring up the old days. But if players want to prove that their words and actions were correct, then they should be professional—to prove it with your performance.”
3. About Bisu
“Bisu was actually very good in Wings. But during his signing of the contract extension, the salary negotiation got to a stalemate for a very long time. Here was when things went wrong. It probably affected his practice. When he was back to the team, he was behind other players a lot. And that was during the middle of round two. There was still 1.5 round left, so I looked for the long-term and convinced him to practice HOTS early.”
After hearing this, Bisu was not upset, and practiced as Boxer said. Actually, Bisu was the first one to practice HOTS among the whole team.
“I just think this kind of things don’t need to get public. During HOTS beta, Bisu was actually ranked first in grandmaster. I hope Bisu can perform well more than anyone.”
During the missing period of Bisu, team’s performance also went down. Boxer was under controversies. He almost felt that he was depressed when facing all the criticisms.
“I dyed my hair not for looking but for covering my grey hair.”
4. About iloveoov
“Of course I want him back to SKT. He is better in managing players. He can act more like a father and say mean things. Some players want him back as well. As a Terran, his back will have double effects with me.”
Iloveoov will finish his military service in later this year. It’s a long time but Boxer – iloveoov combination will be powerful.
“His back to SKT is not a thing that I can decide on my own.”
Source: http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=236&article_id=0000082059&date=20130405&page=1
Translated from:
http://www.playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=346278&extra=page=1
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Wow that's actually quite a revelation about Bisu
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From this interview and SlayerS history, seems that Boxer has the heart to coach but not the will to do it properly (he's concerned about being the bad cop, really?).
On a more important note... BISU TO DOMINATE!!! rank 1 GM geez...
Thanks for the translation!!!
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That's... interesting. It'll be interesting to see what'd happen if iloveoov came back to SKT.
If you don't mind me asking, what was the point of this interview, was it one of those "get to know the players better," or was there a news conference where they wanted to talk to BoxeR about something specific (like "from SlayerS -> SKT")?
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Hey thanks for translating!
I know Boxer is like a saint to a lot of people, and I have a great deal of respect for him and what he has done to grow/birth professional Starcraft.
Hearing this and having some of the SlayerS drama still in mind, maybe he is just not the right person to be in a position to lead other people or help other people become successful. Being a player yourself and being a leading personality require totally different skill sets after all.
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Bisu! I knew you were just doing it all for your team :D
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This kind of reinforces what I originally thought about Boxer, a great player and very knowledgeable about how to play, but not the best manager.
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Katowice25012 Posts
Nice translation, that thing about Bisu is pretty interesting.
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On April 06 2013 01:09 IntoTheheart wrote:
That's... interesting. It'll be interesting to see what'd happen if iloveoov came back to SKT.
If you don't mind me asking, what was the point of this interview, was it one of those "get to know the players better," or was there a news conference where they wanted to talk to BoxeR about something specific (like "from SlayerS -> SKT")?
It's just an interview by one of the biggest esports website in Korea. Nothing special.
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
I really, really hope oov comes back to SKT. Him and Boxer were always such an amazing team.
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Bisu #1 HOTS GM? That is huge news. This whole thing puts Bisu in a new light, that he was not just an unhappy failure but rather someone who was put behind in practice by a variety of circumstances and may actually be good at the game o.O.
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I was not a person who likes to give bad face to players, but because of this, I started to blame players (translator: it seems contradictory but the text is like that).
Goes something more like "I'm usually not the kind of person who is good at criticizing people, but I thought back to that time and intentionally began to scold the players."
Surprising to hear all that about Bisu
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Everyone gonna snatch that 2pt protoss
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kinda sad to read but somewhat interesting. hopefully bisu starts doing well again
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On April 06 2013 01:19 Maghetti wrote:
Bisu #1 HOTS GM? That is huge news. This whole thing puts Bisu in a new light, that he was not just an unhappy failure but rather someone who was put behind in practice by a variety of circumstances and may actually be good at the game o.O.
In Bisu's interview from the PL showmatch event thing, he said he was ranked high in Hots beta but didn't feel very good about it, since he knew he wasn't playing good players at the time. He also said his winrate on ladder thesedays aren't too great. I am excited to see him play this week though, have high hopes for him 
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It doesn't seem like BoxeR is a really good coach. It seems like he lacks rapport with his players, despite being a popular player-coach in theory. It really seems like he is having coach hiccups in SKT, especially with Bisu.
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Quick everyone pick up Bisu now! Boxer is so legendary, I'm sad to hear how he seems almost -if not- depressed though. He's such a legend in his career but it's almost killing him. BoxeR FIGHTING!
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Here's hoping Bisu's performance this weekend lives up to Boxer's hype.
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I literally said "Oh my god" out loud when I read that Bisu had been 1# GM on Kor
that's WAY better than I ever assumed he was doing at SC2.
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Not to detract from his performance, but, just to clarify, he was rank 1 GM of HotS *BETA*, not necessarily now.
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On April 06 2013 01:23 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 01:19 Maghetti wrote:
Bisu #1 HOTS GM? That is huge news. This whole thing puts Bisu in a new light, that he was not just an unhappy failure but rather someone who was put behind in practice by a variety of circumstances and may actually be good at the game o.O. In Bisu's interview from the PL showmatch even thing, he said he was ranked high in Hots beta but didn't feel very good about it, since he knew he wasn't playing good players at the time. He also said his winrate on ladder thesedays aren't too great. I am excited to see him play this week though, have high hopes for him
My view of the contradiction between what Bisu says in interviews and what Boxer says is that Bisu has a real lack of confidence but has good enough skills(he just hasn't played enough to feel those skills) and Boxer wants to build up Bisu's confidence so he can perform.
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sounds like being a coach is far harder than just being a player
and i am curious is there no queries upon what does he think about his ex-SlayerS member doing decently well since moving on
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gogo bisu and <3 Boxer. I'm sad to hear he was depressed and dyed his hair because he felt embarrassed it was growing grey. Hopefully HoTS boosts growth of the esport and I hope this time around more of the deserving players get to shine and not just whatever is currently "OP" or favorable from a personality perspective. That is something that has always bothered me with SC2. I feel that lots of times the most skilled or intelligent players ultimately get over shadowed by lesser players whom are simply better media personalities 
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On April 06 2013 01:27 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 01:23 Zenbrez wrote:On April 06 2013 01:19 Maghetti wrote:
Bisu #1 HOTS GM? That is huge news. This whole thing puts Bisu in a new light, that he was not just an unhappy failure but rather someone who was put behind in practice by a variety of circumstances and may actually be good at the game o.O. In Bisu's interview from the PL showmatch even thing, he said he was ranked high in Hots beta but didn't feel very good about it, since he knew he wasn't playing good players at the time. He also said his winrate on ladder thesedays aren't too great. I am excited to see him play this week though, have high hopes for him My view of the contradiction between what Bisu says in interviews and what Boxer says is that Bisu has a real lack of confidence but has good enough skills(he just hasn't played enough to feel those skills) and Boxer wants to build up Bisu's confidence so he can perform.
Yeah, it seems like that to me to, but it's so strange. How can he not have confidence? He's mother fucking Bisu!!! He just needs to watch one of his old BW games where he gets his death stare going on and say: "I'm that guy. I'm scary."
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A common problem is many businesses is when someone is perceived as being in one role and then is promoted into management. Most of the people still see them in their previous role and it's hard to accept them as "the boss". I'm wondering if many of the SKT players still see Boxer as "just a player" and less as "their boss". If Boxer isn't as willing to be a hard ass, this just exacerbates the problem.
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Haha, 90% of what people got from this was "OMG BISU"
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On April 06 2013 01:25 BlueLanterna wrote:
I literally said "Oh my god" out loud when I read that Bisu had been 1# GM on Kor
that's WAY better than I ever assumed he was doing at SC2.
on the beta server, not on Kor, but well beta server was full of koreans so...^^
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Can SKT hold up until oov gets back? We'll see. Boxer seriously needs to improve as a coach and manager or things will continue going south.
You really have to be strict and effective with putting your points forward and making people follow you like a teacher if you want kids and young adults to take you seriously. It's pretty hard to do that when you're in Boxer's position because of the reputation, but drastic times call for drastic measures in my opinion.
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On April 06 2013 01:34 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Haha, 90% of what people got from this was "OMG BISU"
I know right?! What I got from this was "OMG ILOVEOOV IS FINISHED WITH HIS MILITARY DUTY THIS YEAR".
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Boxer is 32 and has gray hair? is that normal, or am i being an ignorant?
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On April 06 2013 01:25 BlueLanterna wrote:
I literally said "Oh my god" out loud when I read that Bisu had been 1# GM on Kor
that's WAY better than I ever assumed he was doing at SC2.
read the interview correctly please. He said during BETA. during Beta there was no KR server, there was only one beta server. And there is also no date of when he was #1. It could've been way before any top player started playing the beta. So this doesn't say anything about Bisu's skill in Hots, really!
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The Bisu story really caught my eye.
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Boxer I feel isn't meant to be a coach I feel at times.Maybe he's not used to the idea yet, but comparing his personality to the likes of Coach Park and Coach Won of Startale, he's too saintly.
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On April 06 2013 02:23 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 01:25 BlueLanterna wrote:
I literally said "Oh my god" out loud when I read that Bisu had been 1# GM on Kor
that's WAY better than I ever assumed he was doing at SC2. read the interview correctly please. He said during BETA. during Beta there was no KR server, there was only one beta server. And there is also no date of when he was #1. It could've been way before any top player started playing the beta. So this doesn't say anything about Bisu's skill in Hots, really!
Well, they do give a timetable of when Bisu started practicing HotS, in this case 1.5 rounds before the month-long break.
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Bisutopia19208 Posts
I'm tired of people calling Bisu a scrub and I'm tired of that stupid TL 'Bisu' Award. It's time he shuts eveyone up.
edit: and then Oov will let Fantasy shut every one up
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So that's what Boxer meant when he said in Round 3 that Bisu was improving rapidly, and when the opportunity comes for him to play he won't even have time to breathe hahaha.
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On April 06 2013 02:23 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 01:25 BlueLanterna wrote:
I literally said "Oh my god" out loud when I read that Bisu had been 1# GM on Kor
that's WAY better than I ever assumed he was doing at SC2. read the interview correctly please. He said during BETA. during Beta there was no KR server, there was only one beta server. And there is also no date of when he was #1. It could've been way before any top player started playing the beta. So this doesn't say anything about Bisu's skill in Hots, really!
Wow you really seem annoyed!
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Bisutopia19208 Posts
On April 06 2013 02:47 BlueLanterna wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 02:23 TeeTS wrote:On April 06 2013 01:25 BlueLanterna wrote:
I literally said "Oh my god" out loud when I read that Bisu had been 1# GM on Kor
that's WAY better than I ever assumed he was doing at SC2. read the interview correctly please. He said during BETA. during Beta there was no KR server, there was only one beta server. And there is also no date of when he was #1. It could've been way before any top player started playing the beta. So this doesn't say anything about Bisu's skill in Hots, really! Wow you really seem annoyed!
That's what people sound like when they feel threatened. Imagine always worrying that BruceLeeToss is waiting around the corner to kick him (the non believer) in the face or that BeeSuit is ready to strike at him with his deadly stinger!
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On April 06 2013 02:50 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 02:47 BlueLanterna wrote:On April 06 2013 02:23 TeeTS wrote:On April 06 2013 01:25 BlueLanterna wrote:
I literally said "Oh my god" out loud when I read that Bisu had been 1# GM on Kor
that's WAY better than I ever assumed he was doing at SC2. read the interview correctly please. He said during BETA. during Beta there was no KR server, there was only one beta server. And there is also no date of when he was #1. It could've been way before any top player started playing the beta. So this doesn't say anything about Bisu's skill in Hots, really! Wow you really seem annoyed! That's what people sound like when they feel threatened. Imagine always worrying that BruceLeeToss is waiting around the corner to kick him (the non believer) in the face or that BeeSuit is ready to strike at him with his deadly stinger!
the beesuit could strike at any moment
bee prepared
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Bisutopia19208 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:03 BlueLanterna wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 02:50 BisuDagger wrote:On April 06 2013 02:47 BlueLanterna wrote:On April 06 2013 02:23 TeeTS wrote:On April 06 2013 01:25 BlueLanterna wrote:
I literally said "Oh my god" out loud when I read that Bisu had been 1# GM on Kor
that's WAY better than I ever assumed he was doing at SC2. read the interview correctly please. He said during BETA. during Beta there was no KR server, there was only one beta server. And there is also no date of when he was #1. It could've been way before any top player started playing the beta. So this doesn't say anything about Bisu's skill in Hots, really! Wow you really seem annoyed! That's what people sound like when they feel threatened. Imagine always worrying that BruceLeeToss is waiting around the corner to kick him (the non believer) in the face or that BeeSuit is ready to strike at him with his deadly stinger! the beesuit could strike at any moment bee prepared
Bisu appreciates your puns sir.
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I would have liked to know how much Boxer plays hots or is he still getting treatment (for his shoulders?).
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Sounds like money is the cause of bisu's lack of motivation? : /
hope that he tears it up in hots and makes a lot of money then!
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United Kingdom20278 Posts
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Thanks for your work translating, insightful.
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Canada16217 Posts
Thanks for the translation!
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On April 06 2013 03:29 zBro wrote:
I would have liked to know how much Boxer plays hots or is he still getting treatment (for his shoulders?).
He just got promoted to manager of SKT. I don't think he needs to play, but we know he will. So shoulder probably is not a problem anymore.
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I was never really a big Bisu fan back in the BW days, but for some reason I really want him to do well in SC2. I guess this interview gives me some hope.
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Boxer having grey hair? what??
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“I dyed my hair not for looking but for covering my grey hair.”
So incredibly sad
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I have told them the standard strategies and builds but they have their own ways. They don’t accept.
W ww what..? One does not simply ... Oo
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Pretty sure they'll move Boxer into manager role with iloveoov as head coach. Oov probably works with players much better and Boxer is just the overarching standard-bearer.
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On April 06 2013 02:23 Azriel wrote:
Boxer is 32 and has gray hair? is that normal, or am i being an ignorant?
Extreme stress and depression does that to people, and I totally get the feeling that BoxeR really is going through those stages at the moment.
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On April 06 2013 01:25 BlueLanterna wrote:
I literally said "Oh my god" out loud when I read that Bisu had been 1# GM on Kor
that's WAY better than I ever assumed he was doing at SC2.
No, we don't know if he was #1 GM on Korea. He said this was during the beta for HotS.
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Good. Now fanboys cant make any excuses if bisu does bad in proleague since its been made clear that he has been playing Hots for a long time.
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On April 06 2013 06:28 mongmong wrote:
Good. Now fanboys cant make any excuses if bisu does bad in proleague since its been made clear that he has been playing Hots for a long time.
Oh come on, doesnt everyone like Bisu?
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On April 06 2013 09:08 larse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 06:28 mongmong wrote:
Good. Now fanboys cant make any excuses if bisu does bad in proleague since its been made clear that he has been playing Hots for a long time. Oh come on, doesnt everyone like Bisu?
aren't KT fans the biggest antibisus around or something
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oh lord, it seems like i might have to change my race back to protoss......bisu <333333
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So excited about Bisu! Thank you very much for the interview.
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On April 06 2013 01:25 BlueLanterna wrote:
I literally said "Oh my god" out loud when I read that Bisu had been 1# GM on Kor
that's WAY better than I ever assumed he was doing at SC2.
He said during HOTS beta and the beta was global not just Kor.
I also don't really remember anyone being #1 on gm during beta besides MKP since I feel like he held it for such a long time. It'd be nice to know how long he held it or how high he stayed up in gm.
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Thx for this translation, pretty good interview.
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Thanks for translating. You're the best!
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Well, hopefully he wont kill SKT like he killed Slayers. He seems to have a very hard time being an actual coach.
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On April 06 2013 01:23 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 01:19 Maghetti wrote:
Bisu #1 HOTS GM? That is huge news. This whole thing puts Bisu in a new light, that he was not just an unhappy failure but rather someone who was put behind in practice by a variety of circumstances and may actually be good at the game o.O. In Bisu's interview from the PL showmatch event thing, he said he was ranked high in Hots beta but didn't feel very good about it, since he knew he wasn't playing good players at the time. He also said his winrate on ladder thesedays aren't too great. I am excited to see him play this week though, have high hopes for him
Ya if he was playing during the time period of round 2 then not even the sf players had switched over at that point. It was just foreigners like idra. I wouldnt take it to mean much honestly- Bisu needs to put up some live results.
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On April 06 2013 13:16 Paramo wrote:
Well, hopefully he wont kill SKT like he killed Slayers. He seems to have a very hard time being an actual coach.
I think its more the players are kind of arrogant - he was trying to implement a system where if you place highly in internal rankings then you should get to play proleague rather than divide people up based on old results. He basically wants to give B-teamers a chance so they have more motivation.
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So, was Pleasuremind from the HotS Beta Bisu's account? Anyone have any idea? He was a Korean Protoss (formerly #1) doing really well in the earlier stages of beta...beating players like Thorzain and ForGG etc.
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nice, hopefully oov has been secretly watching/playing sc2 in the military and is currently plotting gosu T strats. Can't wait to see if oov returns.
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Boxer is such an amazing coach and person. SKT forever !
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So will iloveoov return to SKT? or is boxer just hoping. It wopuld actually be amazing to see him return ~
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wow, now im really excited to see bisu in action
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It warms me to hear new words about Boxer, Oov and Bisu. I hope they will rise from the ashes.
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On April 06 2013 01:25 BlueLanterna wrote:
I literally said "Oh my god" out loud when I read that Bisu had been 1# GM on Kor
that's WAY better than I ever assumed he was doing at SC2.
Beta didn't have a KR server...it was global in the literal sense(no different regions)
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On April 06 2013 01:52 myRZeth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 01:25 BlueLanterna wrote:
I literally said "Oh my god" out loud when I read that Bisu had been 1# GM on Kor
that's WAY better than I ever assumed he was doing at SC2. on the beta server, not on Kor, but well beta server was full of koreans so...^^
Flash is not in yet . . . . .
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This is not full translation but tl;dr version. It was an interview, here u can only read what Boxer answered
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On April 06 2013 13:16 Paramo wrote:
Well, hopefully he wont kill SKT like he killed Slayers. He seems to have a very hard time being an actual coach.
Well from all thats public the slayers players killed themselves by being lazy divas
And also the practice ban by esf
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On April 14 2013 21:48 Porishan wrote:This is not full translation but tl;dr version. It was an interview, here u can only read what Boxer answered
"translating entire block segments of an article or interview is infringement."
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On April 14 2013 22:22 aike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 21:48 Porishan wrote:This is not full translation but tl;dr version. It was an interview, here u can only read what Boxer answered "translating entire block segments of an article or interview is infringement."
I'm sure the Teamliquid moderators would have closed the thread a week ago when it was opened if they felt it was necessary.
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On April 14 2013 22:22 aike wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 21:48 Porishan wrote:This is not full translation but tl;dr version. It was an interview, here u can only read what Boxer answered "translating entire block segments of an article or interview is infringement."
Oh well... but this hasn't been translated directly from Fomos
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Thanks for the interview. That's some interesting stuff about Bisu
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“Bro, have you ever done anything for me?” That is something that should never be said to Boxer. That fact that esports in Korea exists the way it does owes itself to Boxer.
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I'm not convinced Boxer is a bad coach, I think he is being overly modest and is just more hurt from what bad he hears from players, in contrary to experienced coaches.
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On April 14 2013 22:54 Luepert wrote:
“Bro, have you ever done anything for me?” That is something that should never be said to Boxer. That fact that esports in Korea exists the way it does owes itself to Boxer.
Well he must be a bad coach, he has and had problems with the teams he coaches or coached. Still I think the player who said that should have been fired immediatly and made public
And this "That fact that esports in Korea exists the way it does owes itself to Boxer." isn't a fact.
Did he create OSL? No. Is it because of him that SC was broadcasted on TV? No. Did he helped SC get more popular? Perhaps.
He dominated the early scene, he was super-popular, he was the symbol of SC and was really reconized but if he wasn't there perhaps another player would have been called bonjwa (like some say that if Flash wasn't there, Jaedong would have dominated the scene).
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The Boxer magic seems to have gotten nerfed in SCII...
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The words "work harder" comes up in every single interview, It's no wonder why Koreans are so much better at sc2
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On April 14 2013 23:30 forumtext wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 23:23 Acertos wrote:On April 14 2013 22:54 Luepert wrote:
He dominated the early scene, he was super-popular, he was the symbol of SC and was really reconized but if he wasn't there perhaps another player would have been called bonjwa (like some say that if Flash wasn't there, Jaedong would have dominated the scene).
Savior was the main reason why dominating players are known as Bonjwa.
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So basicly Oov will take the main man in the coaching position and Boxer will be the manager (hence his promotion).
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On April 14 2013 23:23 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 22:54 Luepert wrote:
“Bro, have you ever done anything for me?” That is something that should never be said to Boxer. That fact that esports in Korea exists the way it does owes itself to Boxer. Well he must be a bad coach, he has and had problems with the teams he coaches or coached. Still I think the player who said that should have been fired immediatly and made public And this "That fact that esports in Korea exists the way it does owes itself to Boxer." isn't a fact. Did he create OSL? No. Is it because of him that SC was broadcasted on TV? No. Did he helped SC get more popular? Perhaps. He dominated the early scene, he was super-popular, he was the symbol of SC and was really reconized but if he wasn't there perhaps another player would have been called bonjwa (like some say that if Flash wasn't there, Jaedong would have dominated the scene).
You have no idea how wrong you are.
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On April 15 2013 00:23 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 23:23 Acertos wrote:On April 14 2013 22:54 Luepert wrote:
“Bro, have you ever done anything for me?” That is something that should never be said to Boxer. That fact that esports in Korea exists the way it does owes itself to Boxer. Well he must be a bad coach, he has and had problems with the teams he coaches or coached. Still I think the player who said that should have been fired immediatly and made public And this "That fact that esports in Korea exists the way it does owes itself to Boxer." isn't a fact. Did he create OSL? No. Is it because of him that SC was broadcasted on TV? No. Did he helped SC get more popular? Perhaps. He dominated the early scene, he was super-popular, he was the symbol of SC and was really reconized but if he wasn't there perhaps another player would have been called bonjwa (like some say that if Flash wasn't there, Jaedong would have dominated the scene). You have no idea how wrong you are.
I would be glad to be wrong (that Boxer is a bad coach) but if you don't elaborate a little i will never know why.
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On April 15 2013 00:34 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 00:23 kollin wrote:On April 14 2013 23:23 Acertos wrote:On April 14 2013 22:54 Luepert wrote:
“Bro, have you ever done anything for me?” That is something that should never be said to Boxer. That fact that esports in Korea exists the way it does owes itself to Boxer. Well he must be a bad coach, he has and had problems with the teams he coaches or coached. Still I think the player who said that should have been fired immediatly and made public And this "That fact that esports in Korea exists the way it does owes itself to Boxer." isn't a fact. Did he create OSL? No. Is it because of him that SC was broadcasted on TV? No. Did he helped SC get more popular? Perhaps. He dominated the early scene, he was super-popular, he was the symbol of SC and was really reconized but if he wasn't there perhaps another player would have been called bonjwa (like some say that if Flash wasn't there, Jaedong would have dominated the scene). You have no idea how wrong you are. I would be glad to be wrong (that Boxer is a bad coach) but if you don't elaborate a little i will never know why.
And this "That fact that esports in Korea exists the way it does owes itself to Boxer." isn't a fact.
I was referring to this part.
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On April 14 2013 23:23 Acertos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 22:54 Luepert wrote:
“Bro, have you ever done anything for me?” That is something that should never be said to Boxer. That fact that esports in Korea exists the way it does owes itself to Boxer. Well he must be a bad coach, he has and had problems with the teams he coaches or coached. Still I think the player who said that should have been fired immediatly and made public And this "That fact that esports in Korea exists the way it does owes itself to Boxer." isn't a fact. Did he create OSL? No. Is it because of him that SC was broadcasted on TV? No. Did he helped SC get more popular? Perhaps. He dominated the early scene, he was super-popular, he was the symbol of SC and was really reconized but if he wasn't there perhaps another player would have been called bonjwa (like some say that if Flash wasn't there, Jaedong would have dominated the scene).
No offense but if your arguments consist of "if" and "perhaps" they are not really valid since you can make up everything just to turn the discussion your way.
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On April 06 2013 02:23 Azriel wrote:
Boxer is 32 and has gray hair? is that normal, or am i being an ignorant?
It happens. I'm 25 and I have just a tad bit of grey at the temples. I like it though, so no hair dye for me.
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Awesome interview.
That Bisu news is great and oov? ohoho~
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As SKT losing the SPL playoffs, discussion of whether Boxer takes a major responsibility merges. I think it's a good time to pop this up and let people see that Boxer is really quite different from many people think as a coach
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To be fair to BoxeR, if Rain won his games like BoxeR wanted and probably expected, SKT would've beaten STX 2-0. Maybe BoxeR isn't the greatest coach but you have to admit having him there really boosts team morale.
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if BoxeR had used soO to roach bane all in INnoVation SKT would have won 2-0
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On July 14 2013 15:48 SAFenix wrote:
To be fair to BoxeR, if Rain won his games like BoxeR wanted and probably expected, SKT would've beaten STX 2-0. Maybe BoxeR isn't the greatest coach but you have to admit having him there really boosts team morale.
A coach doesn't get to blame his players for losing games. It's the coaches job to get the players in condition to win every match.
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On July 14 2013 16:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 15:48 SAFenix wrote:
To be fair to BoxeR, if Rain won his games like BoxeR wanted and probably expected, SKT would've beaten STX 2-0. Maybe BoxeR isn't the greatest coach but you have to admit having him there really boosts team morale. A coach doesn't get to blame his players for losing games. It's the coaches job to get the players in condition to win every match.
BoxeR doesn't individually train his players though, so I feel as if the SKT supporting crew had something to do with today's results. But on the flip side of that, the players still didn't win enough games. I'm not saying that anyone individually should be shafted for it, but there's space for improvement.
Interesting use of my 3k'th post.
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On July 14 2013 16:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 15:48 SAFenix wrote:
To be fair to BoxeR, if Rain won his games like BoxeR wanted and probably expected, SKT would've beaten STX 2-0. Maybe BoxeR isn't the greatest coach but you have to admit having him there really boosts team morale. A coach doesn't get to blame his players for losing games. It's the coaches job to get the players in condition to win every match.
What?
Have you ever been in sports and lost a match you should win? Your coach should definitely NOT go around moping and saying it's his fault, he should be reaming your ass and exposing every minor flaw in everything you did to overall make you feel like shit... okay that's a bit of an exaggeration but LOL, coaches are definitely supposed to blame the players for losing the match.
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On July 14 2013 16:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 16:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 14 2013 15:48 SAFenix wrote:
To be fair to BoxeR, if Rain won his games like BoxeR wanted and probably expected, SKT would've beaten STX 2-0. Maybe BoxeR isn't the greatest coach but you have to admit having him there really boosts team morale. A coach doesn't get to blame his players for losing games. It's the coaches job to get the players in condition to win every match. What? Have you ever been in sports and lost a match you should win? Your coach should definitely NOT go around moping and saying it's his fault, he should be reaming your ass and exposing every minor flaw in everything you did to overall make you feel like shit... okay that's a bit of an exaggeration but LOL, coaches are definitely supposed to blame the players for losing the match.
Read context please...
When SKT doesn't make playoffs, saying "Rain didn't win games like Boxer wanted him to" is simply shifting blame.
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On July 14 2013 16:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 16:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2013 16:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 14 2013 15:48 SAFenix wrote:
To be fair to BoxeR, if Rain won his games like BoxeR wanted and probably expected, SKT would've beaten STX 2-0. Maybe BoxeR isn't the greatest coach but you have to admit having him there really boosts team morale. A coach doesn't get to blame his players for losing games. It's the coaches job to get the players in condition to win every match. What? Have you ever been in sports and lost a match you should win? Your coach should definitely NOT go around moping and saying it's his fault, he should be reaming your ass and exposing every minor flaw in everything you did to overall make you feel like shit... okay that's a bit of an exaggeration but LOL, coaches are definitely supposed to blame the players for losing the match. Read context please... When SKT doesn't make playoffs, saying "Rain didn't win games like Boxer wanted him to" is simply shifting blame.
There's quite a bit of blame to go around. A team loses a game. I'd argue that everyone has some blame.
Head coach makes decision. That decision has pros and cons.
Players win or lose games. That has an impact. But ultimately though, I'd say that it's hard to find a particular individual that should get all of it dumped on them. What was the point of throwing this interview up anyway? It's pretty clear that BoxeR isn't Coach Park or any of the other established KeSPA coaches since he's just so new at the post.
One thing all you SC2 fans who don't root for KHAN should remember is that at least your coach doesn't have weird tendencies to bench her top players and throw some randoms out. 
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skt should have kept coach park :$
if oov comes back, I can see him and boxer having a much better dynamic than boxer alone
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Seems like the exact same problems and reasoning that lead to Slayers breaking up is now happening at SKT.
Boxer always seems to shift blame to his players, saying they won't listen to him and omg all he wants is the best for them and they're so lazy that he has to send them home for punishment and to reignite the fire.
Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL Championship? Even back in the BW days, it was either him + oov, two Bonjwas playing for the same team and carrying the team with help from roleplayers, or it was him, oov, and coach park doing the leading and coaching.
I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship with him as the only coach.
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On July 20 2013 23:55 madcow305 wrote:
Seems like the exact same problems and reasoning that lead to Slayers breaking up is now happening at SKT.
Boxer always seems to shift blame to his players, saying they won't listen to him and omg all he wants is the best for them and they're so lazy that he has to send them home for punishment and to reignite the fire.
Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL Championship? Even back in the BW days, it was either him + oov, two Bonjwas playing for the same team and carrying the team with help from roleplayers, or it was him, oov, and coach park doing the leading and coaching.
I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship with him as the only coach.
I think that's a pretty absurd criteria you're asking for there.
I didn't know you lived in the Slayers house and now also live with the SKT guys!? Holy shit man, what was that like? Pretty epic?
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On July 14 2013 16:28 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 16:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 14 2013 16:11 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2013 16:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:On July 14 2013 15:48 SAFenix wrote:
To be fair to BoxeR, if Rain won his games like BoxeR wanted and probably expected, SKT would've beaten STX 2-0. Maybe BoxeR isn't the greatest coach but you have to admit having him there really boosts team morale. A coach doesn't get to blame his players for losing games. It's the coaches job to get the players in condition to win every match. What? Have you ever been in sports and lost a match you should win? Your coach should definitely NOT go around moping and saying it's his fault, he should be reaming your ass and exposing every minor flaw in everything you did to overall make you feel like shit... okay that's a bit of an exaggeration but LOL, coaches are definitely supposed to blame the players for losing the match. Read context please... When SKT doesn't make playoffs, saying "Rain didn't win games like Boxer wanted him to" is simply shifting blame. One thing all you SC2 fans who don't root for KHAN should remember is that at least your coach doesn't have weird tendencies to bench her top players and throw some randoms out.
Au contraire, sc2 fans have since some interesting coaching decisions from Coach Hirai.
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Boxer is a media personality, good value in terms of publicity, but without a competent coaching staff he´s helpless. The best athletes are rarely the best coaches. I just hope SKT reacts properly.
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Wow Bisu Rank 1 GM, that sounds really good I hope he can start showing results in PL again. Boxer seems like he really needs help with coaching and managing the team, 4th this season is a disappointing result considering the talent in SKT1. I hope he's learnt from this season and next season will be far better.
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On July 21 2013 01:19 Khai wrote:
Wow Bisu Rank 1 GM, that sounds really good I hope he can start showing results in PL again. Boxer seems like he really needs help with coaching and managing the team, 4th this season is a disappointing result considering the talent in SKT1. I hope he's learnt from this season and next season will be far better.
Well, do be fair, they narrowly fell to STX twice in the ace match, due to STX's superace in Innovation. So far, SKT has put up a better fight against STX than KT has, though KT can still turn it around.
It's strange how quickly Boxer's standing in the community has fallen recently. Yeah, SKT didn't do as well as people had hoped, but it happens. There are a lot of factors involved, and many are outside Boxer's control. We shouldn't be questioning his coaching ability just yet, especially since he hasn't made an huge coaching blunders.
Hell, some people (thankfully not many though) were even speculating that Boxer would have asked Fantasy to throw his OSL match against Rain! Seriously? People are starting to suspect Slayers motherfucking Boxer to be matchfixing? Damn community, damn.
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Boxer, same story as Wayne Gretzky.
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On July 20 2013 23:55 madcow305 wrote:
Seems like the exact same problems and reasoning that lead to Slayers breaking up is now happening at SKT.
Boxer always seems to shift blame to his players, saying they won't listen to him and omg all he wants is the best for them and they're so lazy that he has to send them home for punishment and to reignite the fire.
Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL Championship? Even back in the BW days, it was either him + oov, two Bonjwas playing for the same team and carrying the team with help from roleplayers, or it was him, oov, and coach park doing the leading and coaching.
I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship with him as the only coach.
It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about.
"Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL championship?" or "I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship as the only coach." Actually SlayerS won two teamcups back in the day. Also, how many teams that actually succeed have one coach?
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sKT has done pretty well in pro league. They have narrowly lost against STX two times. In comparison to that kt rollster got rolled. I dont see the boxer criticism really skt seems consistently to be one of the stronger teams.
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On July 21 2013 02:51 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 23:55 madcow305 wrote:
Seems like the exact same problems and reasoning that lead to Slayers breaking up is now happening at SKT.
Boxer always seems to shift blame to his players, saying they won't listen to him and omg all he wants is the best for them and they're so lazy that he has to send them home for punishment and to reignite the fire.
Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL Championship? Even back in the BW days, it was either him + oov, two Bonjwas playing for the same team and carrying the team with help from roleplayers, or it was him, oov, and coach park doing the leading and coaching.
I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship with him as the only coach. It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about. "Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL championship?" or "I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship as the only coach." Actually SlayerS won two teamcups back in the day. Also, how many teams that actually succeed have one coach?
I still think Boxer did a great job at SlayerS, although I didn't live in their house of course.
He managed to develop some of their players (as far as I remember nearly all of them were amateurs before joining SlayerS) into total monsters. MMA was probably the world's best player for some time, and guys like Ryung, Alicia and others also performed exceptionally well while being on SlayerS.
Being a player and a coach at the same time, this was maybe too much for Boxer and he forgot about the humanly part of coaching a team. But I'm pretty sure NO player at SlayerS could honestly claim that he did nothing for them.
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On July 21 2013 03:28 imperator-xy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 02:51 IntoTheheart wrote:On July 20 2013 23:55 madcow305 wrote:
Seems like the exact same problems and reasoning that lead to Slayers breaking up is now happening at SKT.
Boxer always seems to shift blame to his players, saying they won't listen to him and omg all he wants is the best for them and they're so lazy that he has to send them home for punishment and to reignite the fire.
Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL Championship? Even back in the BW days, it was either him + oov, two Bonjwas playing for the same team and carrying the team with help from roleplayers, or it was him, oov, and coach park doing the leading and coaching.
I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship with him as the only coach. It doesn't seem like you know what you're talking about. "Has Boxer ever successfully lead a team solo to a PL championship?" or "I don't think Boxer has ever led a team to a championship as the only coach." Actually SlayerS won two teamcups back in the day. Also, how many teams that actually succeed have one coach? I still think Boxer did a great job at SlayerS, although I didn't live in their house of course. He managed to develop some of their players (as far as I remember nearly all of them were amateurs before joining SlayerS) into total monsters. MMA was probably the world's best player for some time, and guys like Ryung, Alicia and others also performed exceptionally well while being on SlayerS. Being a player and a coach at the same time, this was maybe too much for Boxer and he forgot about the humanly part of coaching a team. But I'm pretty sure NO player at SlayerS could honestly claim that he did nothing for them.
I thought one of the big issues of the whole SlayerS debacle was that Boxer had little involvement in actual day-to-day training.
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