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See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
April 03 2013 21:56 GMT
#41
I saw "Esports Contributor" Azu..." and my first instinct was to go "AzureEye? CONTRIBUTOR?"
8mmspikes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1704 Posts
April 03 2013 21:58 GMT
#42
Raidcall and Azubu - the two eSports sponsors where I have no idea where their revenue comes from, if anywhere, becuase they have no clear business model. Guess we have to wait and see though
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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
April 03 2013 22:00 GMT
#43
Raidcall is a bit more obvious, they run banner ads and advertise F2P MMOs in the client. Can't see it being a ton of revenue, but it's something at least.
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AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
April 03 2013 22:01 GMT
#44
http://www.abuzu.com/

lol sound is needed.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
April 03 2013 22:02 GMT
#45
I remember trying to find out what Axubu was during their first OGN LoL tourney last year, but I just kept hitting dead ends. What I see from this article doesn't give me any hope of ever finding out for sure what they do.
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 22:08:23
April 03 2013 22:03 GMT
#46
On April 04 2013 06:44 GrazerRinge wrote:
Note to OP:
AG in german means "Aktiengesellschaft" = Joint Stock Company
"Aktiengesetz" means security regulation. Please edit.

edit: I have no idea why Azubu has "AG" in their name since their are not listed in DAX.


Frankly speaking, I also wonder how much resources Azubu is investing on E-Sport without secure business model.

winning LoL $2 million dollars
winning SC2 $1.6 miilion dollars
winning WoTank $2.5 million dollar

Net profit 2013 $5.1 million dollars


Solid buziness model if you ask me

and oh, notidehunter announces to be sponsored by Azubu, so put that DotA2 $1 million in the gross income too.
a3den
Profile Joined April 2012
704 Posts
April 03 2013 22:04 GMT
#47
Raidcall "seems" legit compared to Azubu, at least they have a product.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32742 Posts
April 03 2013 22:06 GMT
#48
This doesn't surprise me much seeing as how little exposure AZUBU has in the e-sports scene as a company. I've heard talks that AZUBU was shady and all that, but not at this scale. I'm quite ignorant on finance and investing, but from what I've read, AZUBU does seem like a scary group that operates outside of the law often.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
April 03 2013 22:06 GMT
#49
Azubu is clealyl owned by a bunch of shady people. But these people have a lot of money and they seem to enjoy e-sports so they spend money on it. I guess it is kind of a hobby for them? Rich people waste lots of money in weird places. I guess spending it here is better than crashing a lamborghini 5 hours after you buy it then deciding to buy another one because you can. Some times people just dont care about a return and want to have fun with their money.

TLDR: Rich people waste tons of money, dont know why people are expecting that Azubu wants to get a financial return on their money.
Long live the Boss Toss!
Special Endrey
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1929 Posts
April 03 2013 22:08 GMT
#50
On April 04 2013 06:44 GrazerRinge wrote:
Note to OP:
AG in german means "Aktiengesellschaft" = Joint Stock Company
"Aktiengesetz" means security regulation. Please edit.

edit: I have no idea why Azubu has "AG" in their name since their are not listed in DAX.


Frankly speaking, I also wonder how much resources Azubu is investing on E-Sport without secure business model.


you can be an AG without being listen on the DAX, the DAX is limited to the top30 companies in germany where you can buy shares at the stock exchange

On April 04 2013 05:39 Otolia wrote:
Azubu is a shady organisation and this whole ordeal reeks of money laundering from miles away. If I was still in Berlin I would visit the Handelzentrum just to see if there is indeed anything space lent by Azubu.


azubu has actually more than 1 office in berlin, a friend of mine worked there for a couple of months - i got told that it was very chaotic and unprofessional there, i cant go into anymore details without makin it possible to find out who i am talking about
This signature is ruining eSports - -Twitter: @SpecialEndrey
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
April 03 2013 22:08 GMT
#51
On April 04 2013 06:10 Marti wrote:
Afaik, this is azubucom, where the grass is green infinite is possible and the girls are pretty unattainable is unknown.

Yeah shadiest org in esports, well maybe second after esahara actually.

azubucom changed my life, everyone should visit this website at least yearly and contemplate its meaning.
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 22:09:27
April 03 2013 22:08 GMT
#52
Some wealthy business man gave his 16 year old son $5 billion to spend any way he saw fit. And so Azubu was born...
Solarsail
Profile Joined July 2012
United Kingdom538 Posts
April 03 2013 22:08 GMT
#53
If they are spending money with no expectation of return, why drop Blaze and Frost? They remain premier Korean teams and their value didn't decrease hugely.
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blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 22:09:44
April 03 2013 22:09 GMT
#54
On April 04 2013 06:44 GrazerRinge wrote:
edit: I have no idea why Azubu has "AG" in their name since their are not listed in DAX.




The DAX is an index of 30 major companies of Frankfurt Stock Exchange, that has nothing to do with anything. Also, you can be an AG without being a publicly traded company at all. Aktiengesellschaft just means that the company is owned through shares. Those shares could be held by a single person without any trading at all.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 03 2013 22:09 GMT
#55
On April 04 2013 06:49 Loxley wrote:
Updated with http://pastebin.com/hp52ZfX8

Seems Lars Windhorst is involved, and it doesn't get prettier.

REALLY interesting article.

[Lars Windhorst]'s been managing Sapinda International, a company owned by Robert Hersov. As well as Vatas Holding, owned by Hersov, too. Vatas Holding owned over 8% of Balda AG shares at one point, Balda is a manufacturer of plastic materials and electronic parts. In 2008, Vatas was sentenced to pay EUR29m to Audley Capital, a British hegde fund. In 2009, German Bank NORD/LB sued Vatas for EUR150m, after they were supposedly ordered by Vatas to buy 13 million shares of Balda. Vatas filed for insolvency after this.

[...]

Note that Hersov originates from the owners family of Anglovaal Mining, a South African mining company related to illegal weapon smuggling and bribaries of BAE Systems, a british weapons contractor.


Now that is some really shady stuff right there.
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Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
April 03 2013 22:15 GMT
#56
On April 04 2013 07:09 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 06:49 Loxley wrote:
Updated with http://pastebin.com/hp52ZfX8

Seems Lars Windhorst is involved, and it doesn't get prettier.

REALLY interesting article.

Show nested quote +
[Lars Windhorst]'s been managing Sapinda International, a company owned by Robert Hersov. As well as Vatas Holding, owned by Hersov, too. Vatas Holding owned over 8% of Balda AG shares at one point, Balda is a manufacturer of plastic materials and electronic parts. In 2008, Vatas was sentenced to pay EUR29m to Audley Capital, a British hegde fund. In 2009, German Bank NORD/LB sued Vatas for EUR150m, after they were supposedly ordered by Vatas to buy 13 million shares of Balda. Vatas filed for insolvency after this.

[...]

Note that Hersov originates from the owners family of Anglovaal Mining, a South African mining company related to illegal weapon smuggling and bribaries of BAE Systems, a british weapons contractor.


Now that is some really shady stuff right there.

We shouldn't read too much into that. Six degrees of separation and all that. You can easily connect any noteworthy businessman with any other noteworthy (and shady) businessman like that with just a few steps. I think there even used to be a website that did that for you.

Still, great OP! I was having similar thoughts about FXO back then, too.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
April 03 2013 22:16 GMT
#57
That Lars character sure is interesting.
Terran & Potato Salad.
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
April 03 2013 22:19 GMT
#58
On April 04 2013 07:15 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 07:09 eviltomahawk wrote:
On April 04 2013 06:49 Loxley wrote:
Updated with http://pastebin.com/hp52ZfX8

Seems Lars Windhorst is involved, and it doesn't get prettier.

REALLY interesting article.

[Lars Windhorst]'s been managing Sapinda International, a company owned by Robert Hersov. As well as Vatas Holding, owned by Hersov, too. Vatas Holding owned over 8% of Balda AG shares at one point, Balda is a manufacturer of plastic materials and electronic parts. In 2008, Vatas was sentenced to pay EUR29m to Audley Capital, a British hegde fund. In 2009, German Bank NORD/LB sued Vatas for EUR150m, after they were supposedly ordered by Vatas to buy 13 million shares of Balda. Vatas filed for insolvency after this.

[...]

Note that Hersov originates from the owners family of Anglovaal Mining, a South African mining company related to illegal weapon smuggling and bribaries of BAE Systems, a british weapons contractor.


Now that is some really shady stuff right there.

We shouldn't read too much into that. Six degrees of separation and all that. You can easily connect any noteworthy businessman with any other noteworthy (and shady) businessman like that with just a few steps. I think there even used to be a website that did that for you.

Still, great OP! I was having similar thoughts about FXO back then, too.


Agreed. Shadow_Broker (the user on reddit) said Hersov and Lars both showed up at the summer finals tournament of LoL during the prize ceremony, that and the SYSK LTD link as owners of the name Asubu is the only connection. Still trying to find images/video of the award ceremony where both can be seen, or at least Lars Windhorst.
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gosublade
Profile Joined May 2011
632 Posts
April 03 2013 22:24 GMT
#59
"hurr durr, i dont understand, therefore money laundry durr"
Not even death can save you from me.
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
April 03 2013 22:25 GMT
#60
On April 04 2013 07:24 gosublade wrote:
"hurr durr, i dont understand, therefore money laundry durr"


Have any insight into what exactly they do?
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