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still waiting for idoflux's CEO(clauf's COO) to make 2nd official statement regarding the relationship between azubu,clauf, and playxp.
not only clauf's company name is registered as "Clauf GmbH, Berlin, c/o AZUBU Europe AG"
they shared the same address at Friedrichstraße 95, 10117 Berlin.
you can still look up this address at azubu's official facebook page, their google plus account, and recruitment website. They wiped out this shady address from new azubu.tv website and only list US address. (no more german HQ? LOL)
next, rather than going to clauf.com, go to their outdated webpage such as http://clauf.com/wp1/?lang=en
or http://clauf.com/wp1/?lang=zh . yup same address. Yet COO of Clauf stated that they have no affiliation with AZUBU.
ARE YOU FXXKING KIDDING? even a 10 year old would know it's a lie.
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On June 20 2013 21:20 Nuclease wrote:
How did this thread get necro'd?
The topic isnt that old and still relevant AND we should stick to looking into it unless we want something like "azubu 2.0" (based in Berlin) to happen. I am currently wondering if our "Gewerbeaufsichtsamt" (Trade supervisory office) should be notified to potentially shady dealings, because having a scamming scandal is not going to help with eSports popularity.
With the amount of stupid buildings around here, which are funded just so people have some losses to reduce their taxes I could envision this becoming "successful" if they make the right connections to the "right" investors. I would hate that, because taxes are necessary to pay for the community functions like schools, police, the government and evading that is in no way cool or good for the community ...
This quote fits the situation quite well:
"when bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." - Edmund Burke, Thoughts on present discontents, 1770.
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and this gapielon or w/e. What's the purpose of this company?
silverio insung park is the founder of this company. It used to be Azubu interactive, they changed name to gapielon. It's still owned by him
http://www.oldtimer-park.com/
http://www.azubu.net/
When people asked him questions about azubu in his blog, he said he resigned from his position at Azubu so he can't answer questions about azubu.
Now he owns what used be Azubu interactive and simply change it to gapielon? to do what? it's hella shady. What's going on in Berlin with all these shady companies?
http://de.linkedin.com/pub/silverio-i-park/5/a85/3a6
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The point is to kill off the company that is being investigated legally. They are covering their tracks.
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Hey guys,
i didn´t read the full thread at all but in near time i have holidays and may look at some adresses that are pointed out here and post pictures and videos. The whole thing looks weird and as a german i can say that we have a lot of shady companies here and don´t need more at all.
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Do these companies produce anything though? As far as I understand it the grants are for helping to set up "production", but Azubu and any related companies dont even produce any eSports content.
+ Show Spoiler +The program sounds familiar and it or some similar one is probably one of the reasons why I dont drink Coca Cola anymore. They were given 7 million € to set up a factory in one of the eastern parts of germany after the unification with the understanding that they have to stay there at least 7 years. Obviously they shut down the factory after slightly more than that time, sold the machinery to "the east" (Poland, Ukraine, ... where labour is cheaper) and moved on.
Sure the understanding only said 7 years, but the point of the whole grant was to create a business that would be self-sustaining. Apparently german labour is too expensive to fill sugared water into bottles ... or the point is that the whole free european market and blown up EU of 25 countries with super low wage countries doesnt really work.
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I didn't link it but somewhere I read it also qualifies for IT business.
The second link is presentation made by Silverio Park. Look at the last 3 pages of PPT. There he makes emphasis on the incentive program, too.
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http://www.gtai.de/GTAI/Content/EN/Invest/_SharedDocs/Downloads/GTAI/Fact-sheets/Facts-figures/facts-figures-cash-incentives.pdf
here, it says most service industries qualify for the cash incentive in addition to production industries. I assume Azubu is more of service type.
I sent email to gtai (in English) that some companies might be abusing the system, like month ago, but haven't heard back. Now I see that GTAI.de is not a government organization, but a consulting firm. Can someone who speak German tip the appropriate department in germany about this? I was always wondering why they would make shady companies that don't even have legit office in germany.
List of companies that I suspect are: Azubu, Azubu Interactive(Gapielon), Clauf
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eve come to my house now :D
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If things do go awry, ex: CJ takes a large hit, Azubu team disbands etc, then would this be considered worse than the savior situation?
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On June 28 2013 04:54 anemoneya wrote:http://www.gtai.de/GTAI/Content/EN/Invest/_SharedDocs/Downloads/GTAI/Fact-sheets/Facts-figures/facts-figures-cash-incentives.pdfhere, it says most service industries qualify for the cash incentive in addition to production industries. I assume Azubu is more of service type. I sent email to gtai (in English) that some companies might be abusing the system, like month ago, but haven't heard back. Now I see that GTAI.de is not a government organization, but a consulting firm. Can someone who speak German tip the appropriate department in germany about this? I was always wondering why they would make shady companies that don't even have legit office in germany. List of companies that I suspect are: Azubu, Azubu Interactive(Gapielon), Clauf
I might give this a shot, but the trouble with extensive bureaucracies is finding the right department for this. I had also thought about pointing financially focused newspapers in that direction as well to enable them to warn any potential investors.
Explaining eSport and the scale of the problem to bureaucrats or journalists who write articles for men in suits might take a bit of doing though and wont be that convincing over the telephone ... so a good and clear "simpleton explanation with examples" is necessary, but these take time to write.
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Freaking Loxley !!
You deserve a Pulitzer Prize for uncovering this whole mess a whole century before anyone had a clue!!!
Here!
Have some TL+++++
:D
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On June 28 2013 12:31 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Freaking Loxley !!
You deserve a Pulitzer Prize for uncovering this whole mess a whole century before anyone had a clue!!!
:D
investigative journalism at its best ^^
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On June 28 2013 11:49 rshawer wrote:
If things do go awry, ex: CJ takes a large hit, Azubu team disbands etc, then would this be considered worse than the savior situation?
It all kinda depends on where Azubu got the money to pay for everything they did. But even if it was all dirty money aside from that nothing really happened that would be considered as big as the match fixing scandal. This sounds like a much more isolated event that could have been a much bigger event had Azubu not been investigated earlier. The matchfixing affected a lot of the teams in proleague and undermined 10 years of effort put forth by the teams and Kespa to produce a professional Starcraft league.
At the moment Azubu is only confirmed to be owned by some shady business men that have ties to money laundering/tax evasion/financial fraud. There is also the possibility that all of Azubu's investments in E-sports were made with dirty money. This might have turned into something bigger had Azubu gained more influence before being found out but currently (not all information is known yet) this incident pales in comparison to what Savior and co. did.
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What if the money was coming from people that do wish to see esports grow, but don't want to be known and not necessarily because their money is dirty. So they used Azubu as a front to inject some life into the scene, but again the money isn't necessarily dirty in any way. D:
Just an unlikely scenario I've been thinking of, could be completely wrong.
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On June 29 2013 02:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:
What if the money was coming from people that do wish to see esports grow, but don't want to be known and not necessarily because their money is dirty. So they used Azubu as a front to inject some life into the scene, but again the money isn't necessarily dirty in any way. D:
Just an unlikely scenario I've been thinking of, could be completely wrong.
The easter bunny and the tooth fairy might exist too ... [I hope I dont need to put this in spoilers.]
Azubu is gone and everything that is happening in Berlin STINKS of shady illegal dealings and not of "oh we have secret backers who dont want to be known".
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On June 29 2013 02:31 Rabiator wrote:
The easter bunny and the tooth fairy might exist too ... [I hope I dont need to put this in spoilers.]
omg...my childhood...everything I know is WRONG. I suppose now you're going to tell me something ridiculous like Santa Claus is just my parents or something equally nonsensical.
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On June 20 2013 13:03 Waxangel wrote:http://www.clauf.com/WHAT IS THIS? oh you guys alraedy found out about it anyway gomsnowbird works there now, for what thats' worth
What the hell? This is the first time I'm seeing this.
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