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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9396 Posts
March 28 2013 23:14 GMT
#121
On March 29 2013 08:09 th3_great wrote:
i feel sorry for people not watching because they dislike destiny, because the content of the show is very interesting and informative.


Extremely interesting actually. Ashamed it wasn't featured.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
March 28 2013 23:15 GMT
#122
On March 29 2013 06:34 Blargh wrote:
@HeeroFX
Zzz, you didn't even read my second post then (it's really long). I watched every Destiny-related bit in that ITG episode.
You are flat-out wrong if you think Destiny failed to defend his argument in that video/stream. Saying that all Destiny does is beg for attention then run away is silly. You clearly do not know anything about Destiny and are in no position to criticize the guy. I would love for YOU to defend YOUR argument, actually. Don't just run off now!

@ACrow
"Doesn't give a shit about the game"
He may not care much for SC2 now, but it would be stupid to say that he never cared about it. He did, after all, write a huge-ass reddit post about what HotS needs, which was the talk-of-TL for at least a week. He's a controversial character, but he isn't as bad as you make him sound.



I did read it, and you are wrong. Destiny "sc 2 is dying we are all doomed" post you remember that? SC 2 is fine, the people who watch it are the people who play it. Just like LoL more people play LoL its logical to link those together In fact I have no idea why I am wasting time defending this because at the end of the day you are a blind destiny fan boy.
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
March 28 2013 23:15 GMT
#123
For the better or worse I think an assertive, no-bullshit approach like Destiny's is a good thing to have on a weekly show, regardless of whether or not you agree with him on each statement he makes. More, I think it's something we need right now, because it's unfortunately rare to get an honest opinion from someone who's got no strings attached on what he can or cannot say. The circlejerk/hate-bandwagon is of course gonna happen because it's Destiny, but I think overall this is a positive thing, and I say this without being a Destiny fan at all.
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
March 28 2013 23:15 GMT
#124
On March 29 2013 08:12 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 08:11 Eventine wrote:
On March 29 2013 08:05 Kouda wrote:
On March 29 2013 07:49 iNcontroL wrote:
lol


Atleast you got a raise.

edit: This show is getting more viewers than most Chanman shows do.


More viewers for Chanman is nice, but I think if this show was hosted on destiny's stream instead, it'd be at least at 3K, probably 4-5K. It's a shame destiny's number isn't translating over as much.


Taking into account normally chanman has 150-300 viewers...


Exactly. People moan about having "pure" esports without controversial figures, and Chanman does do shows like that, but the viewers don't flock like they do right now lol.
Th30nE
Profile Joined July 2010
United States44 Posts
March 28 2013 23:16 GMT
#125
http://i.imgur.com/8eTWR.jpg

This is basically why I dont listen to any pro-incontrol or anti-destiny arguments(because they are almost always started by an incontrol fanboy)

I used to like incontrol, and i watched his stream regularly, even now i could still watch his stream, its not him as a personality or him as a person that i dislike, its his hypicritical nature, and blatant bullying. Incontrol is a type-A personality, and It wouldnt suprise me if he was a bit "aggressive" in high school.

Regardless of the off topic nature this thread has turned to, and that I have sadly now contributed to, I really like chanman, hes the reason i got into the hots beta, and hes a good no bullshit no drama pillar of the community that provides always current, always positive, and always quality content. The show so far hasnt been bad, and I think that it contains less fluff than EVERY other show on esports, hands down.

User was warned for this post
play hard, train hard, focus, be happy.
KlinKz
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada149 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 23:18:56
March 28 2013 23:17 GMT
#126
On March 29 2013 07:49 iNcontroL wrote:
lol


Kinda guessing Incontrol was the mod who warned Destiny.

Aw man I bet destinys TL account is gonna get banned... again? haha. Unfiltered needs to have more advertisements.
I did not even know that they were live, until reading this thread.

Twitter, gotta show them sponsors like ITG. how is this show getting supported?
Go Bisons Go!
IRL_Sinister
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Ireland621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 23:18:32
March 28 2013 23:17 GMT
#127
On March 29 2013 07:45 HollowLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 07:35 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:40 Destiny wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:20 ACrow wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
See ? It was a good move, already 4 pages on a ChamanV thread.

That's true, at least it draws some much needed attention to an underappreciated pillar of our community. Chanman's such a hard worker, hopefully this results in more viewers for him!
That being said though, I also say that I won't watch anything involving Destiny. Imo, [bold]he's proven that he doesn't give a shit about the game or our community[/bold] - he's done a lot of bad things for us, and he shouldn't try to come back.


How in the fuck do you get off saying such incredibly fucking stupid shit? You realize I've dumped more time into SC2 and SC2-related endeavors than pretty much every other person outside of the pro scene (and more-so than some people even involved in the pro scene today). You realize that I've played BW possibly since before you were even in fucking GRADE SCHOOL, right? How the fuck does someone like you get off saying some incredibly stupid shit like "he doesn't give a shit about our community?"

When I complain and say that no one in the industry gets paid, and you say I'm just crying wolf, guess what? YOU are the entitled little fucking piece of shit who doesn't give a fuck about the community. YOU are the one that doesn't give a fuck that MLG volunteers, website writers, artists, designers, show-hosts, b-teamers, streamers without partnerships, and a whole lot of other people in e-sports don't get paid SHIT. You think that you can just sit there and armchair coach everyone else about everything, and then say I'm just "crying wolf" and "not giving a shit" because I think the fact that most people are unpaid or underpaid deserves attention?

Seriously, FUCK YOU.



This is why nice things can't happen. Just to touch on what you said; nobody goes into e-Sports for money.


What's it like living in your bubble? Because I'm down here in the real world where there are hundreds, if not thousands, of artists, hosts, streamers, players, managers, engineers, webdesigners, advertisers, and producers who are in e-sports SPECIFICALLY for the money. It is their JOB.

Seriously, grow up.


I was referring to entering e-Sports, not people/organisations involved. Don't be mad, though.
krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
March 28 2013 23:18 GMT
#128
On March 29 2013 08:15 HeeroFX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:34 Blargh wrote:
@HeeroFX
Zzz, you didn't even read my second post then (it's really long). I watched every Destiny-related bit in that ITG episode.
You are flat-out wrong if you think Destiny failed to defend his argument in that video/stream. Saying that all Destiny does is beg for attention then run away is silly. You clearly do not know anything about Destiny and are in no position to criticize the guy. I would love for YOU to defend YOUR argument, actually. Don't just run off now!

@ACrow
"Doesn't give a shit about the game"
He may not care much for SC2 now, but it would be stupid to say that he never cared about it. He did, after all, write a huge-ass reddit post about what HotS needs, which was the talk-of-TL for at least a week. He's a controversial character, but he isn't as bad as you make him sound.



I did read it, and you are wrong. Destiny "sc 2 is dying we are all doomed" post you remember that? SC 2 is fine, the people who watch it are the people who play it. Just like LoL more people play LoL its logical to link those together In fact I have no idea why I am wasting time defending this because at the end of the day you are a blind destiny fan boy.


"I won't argue with you because you disagree with me"
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 23:22:00
March 28 2013 23:19 GMT
#129
Not tuning into anything with Destiny, but good luck.

On March 29 2013 08:15 howLiN wrote:
The circlejerk/hate-bandwagon is of course gonna happen because it's Destiny, but I think overall this is a positive thing, and I say this without being a Destiny fan at all.


I think you mean circlejerk/like-bandwagon; people who like him tend to be immature and do so because it's edgy (evidence of this is the fact that his chats regularly "raids" people), while people who dislike him tend to have that opinion based on logic and not any kind of peer pressure.
th3_great
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom429 Posts
March 28 2013 23:23 GMT
#130
On March 29 2013 08:19 DemigodcelpH wrote:
Not tuning into anything with Destiny, but good luck.

Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 08:15 howLiN wrote:
The circlejerk/hate-bandwagon is of course gonna happen because it's Destiny, but I think overall this is a positive thing, and I say this without being a Destiny fan at all.


I think you mean circlejerk/like-bandwagon; people who like him tend to be immature and do so because it's edgy (evidence of this is the fact that his chats regularly "raids" people), while people who dislike him tend to have that opinion based on logic and not any kind of peer pressure.


ironic that you mention bandwagons when you make such sweeping statements like that.
did you read the script?
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
March 28 2013 23:24 GMT
#131
On March 29 2013 08:19 DemigodcelpH wrote:
Not tuning into anything with Destiny, but good luck.

Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 08:15 howLiN wrote:
The circlejerk/hate-bandwagon is of course gonna happen because it's Destiny, but I think overall this is a positive thing, and I say this without being a Destiny fan at all.


I think you mean circlejerk/like-bandwagon; people who like him tend to be immature and do so because it's edgy (evidence of this is the fact that his chats regularly "raids" people), while people who dislike him tend to have that opinion based on logic and not any kind of peer pressure.


No, I meant circlejerk over Destiny on one side and hate-bandwagon on another, at the same time.
Asday
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom388 Posts
March 28 2013 23:24 GMT
#132
On March 29 2013 08:19 DemigodcelpH wrote:people who like him tend to be immature and do so because it's edgy

This is high praise to follow, as this thread has been full of idiots, but that is the most stupid thing I've seen so far in here.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9396 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 23:26:31
March 28 2013 23:24 GMT
#133
On March 29 2013 08:15 HeeroFX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:34 Blargh wrote:
@HeeroFX
Zzz, you didn't even read my second post then (it's really long). I watched every Destiny-related bit in that ITG episode.
You are flat-out wrong if you think Destiny failed to defend his argument in that video/stream. Saying that all Destiny does is beg for attention then run away is silly. You clearly do not know anything about Destiny and are in no position to criticize the guy. I would love for YOU to defend YOUR argument, actually. Don't just run off now!

@ACrow
"Doesn't give a shit about the game"
He may not care much for SC2 now, but it would be stupid to say that he never cared about it. He did, after all, write a huge-ass reddit post about what HotS needs, which was the talk-of-TL for at least a week. He's a controversial character, but he isn't as bad as you make him sound.



I did read it, and you are wrong. Destiny "sc 2 is dying we are all doomed" post you remember that? SC 2 is fine, the people who watch it are the people who play it. Just like LoL more people play LoL its logical to link those together In fact I have no idea why I am wasting time defending this because at the end of the day you are a blind destiny fan boy.


Destiny (like everyone else) predicted an increase in viewerships after the release of HOTS. Your claim of him being wrong is ridicilous if you really understood his message.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 23:27:58
March 28 2013 23:26 GMT
#134
On March 29 2013 08:15 HeeroFX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:34 Blargh wrote:
@HeeroFX
Zzz, you didn't even read my second post then (it's really long). I watched every Destiny-related bit in that ITG episode.
You are flat-out wrong if you think Destiny failed to defend his argument in that video/stream. Saying that all Destiny does is beg for attention then run away is silly. You clearly do not know anything about Destiny and are in no position to criticize the guy. I would love for YOU to defend YOUR argument, actually. Don't just run off now!

@ACrow
"Doesn't give a shit about the game"
He may not care much for SC2 now, but it would be stupid to say that he never cared about it. He did, after all, write a huge-ass reddit post about what HotS needs, which was the talk-of-TL for at least a week. He's a controversial character, but he isn't as bad as you make him sound.



I did read it, and you are wrong. Destiny "sc 2 is dying we are all doomed" post you remember that? SC 2 is fine, the people who watch it are the people who play it. Just like LoL more people play LoL its logical to link those together In fact I have no idea why I am wasting time defending this because at the end of the day you are a blind destiny fan boy.


Yep, destiny's sc2 dying was silly, but many of the things pointed out about player retention problems with the game (and as viewer the metagame stagnation) were spot on, and some of the features in hots, i am 100% positive is because of the response to that post, since even if most people focused on the "sc2 dying yay or nay" thing, others actually tried to speak about what they thought blizzard should do to improve the game.

And i am not a destiny fanboy, i don't watch his stream since 2010, so you can bet your ass i couldn't care less about he leaving sc2 because he thought it was going to die, but salvaging parts of the post which actually had constructive criticism.
Ozcollo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States154 Posts
March 28 2013 23:27 GMT
#135
On March 29 2013 08:17 IRL_Sinister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 07:45 HollowLord wrote:
On March 29 2013 07:35 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:40 Destiny wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:20 ACrow wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
See ? It was a good move, already 4 pages on a ChamanV thread.

That's true, at least it draws some much needed attention to an underappreciated pillar of our community. Chanman's such a hard worker, hopefully this results in more viewers for him!
That being said though, I also say that I won't watch anything involving Destiny. Imo, [bold]he's proven that he doesn't give a shit about the game or our community[/bold] - he's done a lot of bad things for us, and he shouldn't try to come back.


How in the fuck do you get off saying such incredibly fucking stupid shit? You realize I've dumped more time into SC2 and SC2-related endeavors than pretty much every other person outside of the pro scene (and more-so than some people even involved in the pro scene today). You realize that I've played BW possibly since before you were even in fucking GRADE SCHOOL, right? How the fuck does someone like you get off saying some incredibly stupid shit like "he doesn't give a shit about our community?"

When I complain and say that no one in the industry gets paid, and you say I'm just crying wolf, guess what? YOU are the entitled little fucking piece of shit who doesn't give a fuck about the community. YOU are the one that doesn't give a fuck that MLG volunteers, website writers, artists, designers, show-hosts, b-teamers, streamers without partnerships, and a whole lot of other people in e-sports don't get paid SHIT. You think that you can just sit there and armchair coach everyone else about everything, and then say I'm just "crying wolf" and "not giving a shit" because I think the fact that most people are unpaid or underpaid deserves attention?

Seriously, FUCK YOU.



This is why nice things can't happen. Just to touch on what you said; nobody goes into e-Sports for money.


What's it like living in your bubble? Because I'm down here in the real world where there are hundreds, if not thousands, of artists, hosts, streamers, players, managers, engineers, webdesigners, advertisers, and producers who are in e-sports SPECIFICALLY for the money. It is their JOB.

Seriously, grow up.


I was referring to entering e-Sports, not people/organisations involved. Don't be mad, though.


You can't really be that naive, can you? People try to go into it to make money, else those organizations would never have formed in the first place.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 23:30:38
March 28 2013 23:28 GMT
#136
I guess the first topic on the show should be the reaction to the show and what it says about the community. ^^

edit: oh wait, it's already done
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
March 28 2013 23:28 GMT
#137
On March 29 2013 08:17 IRL_Sinister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 07:45 HollowLord wrote:
On March 29 2013 07:35 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:40 Destiny wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:20 ACrow wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
See ? It was a good move, already 4 pages on a ChamanV thread.

That's true, at least it draws some much needed attention to an underappreciated pillar of our community. Chanman's such a hard worker, hopefully this results in more viewers for him!
That being said though, I also say that I won't watch anything involving Destiny. Imo, [bold]he's proven that he doesn't give a shit about the game or our community[/bold] - he's done a lot of bad things for us, and he shouldn't try to come back.


How in the fuck do you get off saying such incredibly fucking stupid shit? You realize I've dumped more time into SC2 and SC2-related endeavors than pretty much every other person outside of the pro scene (and more-so than some people even involved in the pro scene today). You realize that I've played BW possibly since before you were even in fucking GRADE SCHOOL, right? How the fuck does someone like you get off saying some incredibly stupid shit like "he doesn't give a shit about our community?"

When I complain and say that no one in the industry gets paid, and you say I'm just crying wolf, guess what? YOU are the entitled little fucking piece of shit who doesn't give a fuck about the community. YOU are the one that doesn't give a fuck that MLG volunteers, website writers, artists, designers, show-hosts, b-teamers, streamers without partnerships, and a whole lot of other people in e-sports don't get paid SHIT. You think that you can just sit there and armchair coach everyone else about everything, and then say I'm just "crying wolf" and "not giving a shit" because I think the fact that most people are unpaid or underpaid deserves attention?

Seriously, FUCK YOU.



This is why nice things can't happen. Just to touch on what you said; nobody goes into e-Sports for money.


What's it like living in your bubble? Because I'm down here in the real world where there are hundreds, if not thousands, of artists, hosts, streamers, players, managers, engineers, webdesigners, advertisers, and producers who are in e-sports SPECIFICALLY for the money. It is their JOB.

Seriously, grow up.


I was referring to entering e-Sports, not people/organisations involved. Don't be mad, though.


People entering e-sports? If by entering e-sports you mean people who make videos on youtube, stream casual play, or post on websites then most people probably don't do it for the money. If however you mean the people who actually run tournaments, foot the money for prize pools, host team websites, and spend countless hours planning events? Those people are doing that for money, as a job. Also? Those are the people who REALLY grow a community. The idea that e-sports is some fraternity of brotherhood where the common man rises up to spread the love of videogames in a climax of passion and an inevitable utopia of free content is a FANTASY. The people/organizations involved? Organizations like MLG? They are in this for money, and they have done FAR more for the growth of the gaming community than someone who made a few youtube videos FOR TEH COMMUNITY XD will ever do.
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Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
March 28 2013 23:29 GMT
#138
This has been a very interesting show, and something I suggest to streamers who want to break into the scene.
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
March 28 2013 23:30 GMT
#139
Well as far the success of this show goes with relation to Destiny being on it; the results speak for themselves.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
IRL_Sinister
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Ireland621 Posts
March 28 2013 23:31 GMT
#140
On March 29 2013 08:28 HollowLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 08:17 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On March 29 2013 07:45 HollowLord wrote:
On March 29 2013 07:35 IRL_Sinister wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:40 Destiny wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:20 ACrow wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
See ? It was a good move, already 4 pages on a ChamanV thread.

That's true, at least it draws some much needed attention to an underappreciated pillar of our community. Chanman's such a hard worker, hopefully this results in more viewers for him!
That being said though, I also say that I won't watch anything involving Destiny. Imo, [bold]he's proven that he doesn't give a shit about the game or our community[/bold] - he's done a lot of bad things for us, and he shouldn't try to come back.


How in the fuck do you get off saying such incredibly fucking stupid shit? You realize I've dumped more time into SC2 and SC2-related endeavors than pretty much every other person outside of the pro scene (and more-so than some people even involved in the pro scene today). You realize that I've played BW possibly since before you were even in fucking GRADE SCHOOL, right? How the fuck does someone like you get off saying some incredibly stupid shit like "he doesn't give a shit about our community?"

When I complain and say that no one in the industry gets paid, and you say I'm just crying wolf, guess what? YOU are the entitled little fucking piece of shit who doesn't give a fuck about the community. YOU are the one that doesn't give a fuck that MLG volunteers, website writers, artists, designers, show-hosts, b-teamers, streamers without partnerships, and a whole lot of other people in e-sports don't get paid SHIT. You think that you can just sit there and armchair coach everyone else about everything, and then say I'm just "crying wolf" and "not giving a shit" because I think the fact that most people are unpaid or underpaid deserves attention?

Seriously, FUCK YOU.



This is why nice things can't happen. Just to touch on what you said; nobody goes into e-Sports for money.


What's it like living in your bubble? Because I'm down here in the real world where there are hundreds, if not thousands, of artists, hosts, streamers, players, managers, engineers, webdesigners, advertisers, and producers who are in e-sports SPECIFICALLY for the money. It is their JOB.

Seriously, grow up.


I was referring to entering e-Sports, not people/organisations involved. Don't be mad, though.


People entering e-sports? If by entering e-sports you mean people who make videos on youtube, stream casual play, or post on websites then most people probably don't do it for the money. If however you mean the people who actually run tournaments, foot the money for prize pools, host team websites, and spend countless hours planning events? Those people are doing that for money, as a job. Also? Those are the people who REALLY grow a community. The idea that e-sports is some fraternity of brotherhood where the common man rises up to spread the love of videogames in a climax of passion and an inevitable utopia of free content is a FANTASY. The people/organizations involved? Organizations like MLG? They are in this for money, and they have done FAR more for the growth of the gaming community than someone who made a few youtube videos FOR TEH COMMUNITY XD will ever do.


I guess you and I have different opinions on what qualifies as "the money", then.
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