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On March 29 2013 08:17 KlinKz wrote:Kinda guessing Incontrol was the mod who warned Destiny. Aw man I bet destinys TL account is gonna get banned... again? haha. Unfiltered needs to have more advertisements. I did not even know that they were live, until reading this thread. Twitter, gotta show them sponsors like ITG. how is this show getting supported?
incontrol isnt a mod.
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'is it really team liquids job to decide who we should or shouldn't watch?' thats a very interesting point of discussion.
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On March 29 2013 08:31 IRL_Sinister wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 08:28 HollowLord wrote:On March 29 2013 08:17 IRL_Sinister wrote:On March 29 2013 07:45 HollowLord wrote:On March 29 2013 07:35 IRL_Sinister wrote:On March 29 2013 06:40 Destiny wrote:On March 29 2013 06:20 ACrow wrote:On March 29 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
See ? It was a good move, already 4 pages on a ChamanV thread. That's true, at least it draws some much needed attention to an underappreciated pillar of our community. Chanman's such a hard worker, hopefully this results in more viewers for him! That being said though, I also say that I won't watch anything involving Destiny. Imo, [bold]he's proven that he doesn't give a shit about the game or our community[/bold] - he's done a lot of bad things for us, and he shouldn't try to come back. How in the fuck do you get off saying such incredibly fucking stupid shit? You realize I've dumped more time into SC2 and SC2-related endeavors than pretty much every other person outside of the pro scene (and more-so than some people even involved in the pro scene today). You realize that I've played BW possibly since before you were even in fucking GRADE SCHOOL, right? How the fuck does someone like you get off saying some incredibly stupid shit like "he doesn't give a shit about our community?" When I complain and say that no one in the industry gets paid, and you say I'm just crying wolf, guess what? YOU are the entitled little fucking piece of shit who doesn't give a fuck about the community. YOU are the one that doesn't give a fuck that MLG volunteers, website writers, artists, designers, show-hosts, b-teamers, streamers without partnerships, and a whole lot of other people in e-sports don't get paid SHIT. You think that you can just sit there and armchair coach everyone else about everything, and then say I'm just "crying wolf" and "not giving a shit" because I think the fact that most people are unpaid or underpaid deserves attention? Seriously, FUCK YOU. This is why nice things can't happen. Just to touch on what you said; nobody goes into e-Sports for money. What's it like living in your bubble? Because I'm down here in the real world where there are hundreds, if not thousands, of artists, hosts, streamers, players, managers, engineers, webdesigners, advertisers, and producers who are in e-sports SPECIFICALLY for the money. It is their JOB. Seriously, grow up. I was referring to entering e-Sports, not people/organisations involved. Don't be mad, though. People entering e-sports? If by entering e-sports you mean people who make videos on youtube, stream casual play, or post on websites then most people probably don't do it for the money. If however you mean the people who actually run tournaments, foot the money for prize pools, host team websites, and spend countless hours planning events? Those people are doing that for money, as a job. Also? Those are the people who REALLY grow a community. The idea that e-sports is some fraternity of brotherhood where the common man rises up to spread the love of videogames in a climax of passion and an inevitable utopia of free content is a FANTASY. The people/organizations involved? Organizations like MLG? They are in this for money, and they have done FAR more for the growth of the gaming community than someone who made a few youtube videos FOR TEH COMMUNITY XD will ever do. I guess you and I have different opinions on what qualifies as "the money", then.
Clearly we do. Maybe once you get out of highschool and actually have to work for a living you'll see why I have a different opinion on what qualifies as "the money".
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On March 29 2013 08:32 th3_great wrote:
'is it really team liquids job to decide who we should or shouldn't watch?' thats a very interesting point of discussion.
TL protects us from people like combatex. I want them on that wall, i need them on that wall.
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On March 29 2013 08:33 HollowLord wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 08:31 IRL_Sinister wrote:On March 29 2013 08:28 HollowLord wrote:On March 29 2013 08:17 IRL_Sinister wrote:On March 29 2013 07:45 HollowLord wrote:On March 29 2013 07:35 IRL_Sinister wrote:On March 29 2013 06:40 Destiny wrote:On March 29 2013 06:20 ACrow wrote:On March 29 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
See ? It was a good move, already 4 pages on a ChamanV thread. That's true, at least it draws some much needed attention to an underappreciated pillar of our community. Chanman's such a hard worker, hopefully this results in more viewers for him! That being said though, I also say that I won't watch anything involving Destiny. Imo, [bold]he's proven that he doesn't give a shit about the game or our community[/bold] - he's done a lot of bad things for us, and he shouldn't try to come back. How in the fuck do you get off saying such incredibly fucking stupid shit? You realize I've dumped more time into SC2 and SC2-related endeavors than pretty much every other person outside of the pro scene (and more-so than some people even involved in the pro scene today). You realize that I've played BW possibly since before you were even in fucking GRADE SCHOOL, right? How the fuck does someone like you get off saying some incredibly stupid shit like "he doesn't give a shit about our community?" When I complain and say that no one in the industry gets paid, and you say I'm just crying wolf, guess what? YOU are the entitled little fucking piece of shit who doesn't give a fuck about the community. YOU are the one that doesn't give a fuck that MLG volunteers, website writers, artists, designers, show-hosts, b-teamers, streamers without partnerships, and a whole lot of other people in e-sports don't get paid SHIT. You think that you can just sit there and armchair coach everyone else about everything, and then say I'm just "crying wolf" and "not giving a shit" because I think the fact that most people are unpaid or underpaid deserves attention? Seriously, FUCK YOU. This is why nice things can't happen. Just to touch on what you said; nobody goes into e-Sports for money. What's it like living in your bubble? Because I'm down here in the real world where there are hundreds, if not thousands, of artists, hosts, streamers, players, managers, engineers, webdesigners, advertisers, and producers who are in e-sports SPECIFICALLY for the money. It is their JOB. Seriously, grow up. I was referring to entering e-Sports, not people/organisations involved. Don't be mad, though. People entering e-sports? If by entering e-sports you mean people who make videos on youtube, stream casual play, or post on websites then most people probably don't do it for the money. If however you mean the people who actually run tournaments, foot the money for prize pools, host team websites, and spend countless hours planning events? Those people are doing that for money, as a job. Also? Those are the people who REALLY grow a community. The idea that e-sports is some fraternity of brotherhood where the common man rises up to spread the love of videogames in a climax of passion and an inevitable utopia of free content is a FANTASY. The people/organizations involved? Organizations like MLG? They are in this for money, and they have done FAR more for the growth of the gaming community than someone who made a few youtube videos FOR TEH COMMUNITY XD will ever do. I guess you and I have different opinions on what qualifies as "the money", then. Clearly we do. Maybe once you get out of highschool and actually have to work for a living you'll see why I have a different opinion on what qualifies as "the money".
I do and make a lot of money from it.
EDIT: And of course, I've already excluded all the MLG's of the world. I was referring to the majority of people, not the minority. There is money to be made in everything and anything in the world.
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On March 29 2013 08:33 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 08:32 th3_great wrote:
'is it really team liquids job to decide who we should or shouldn't watch?' thats a very interesting point of discussion. TL protects us from people like combatex. I want them on that wall, i need them on that wall.
I don't like djWHEAT. TL will put his show in a spotlight underneath the calendar when it comes on. I "protect" myself, by just... Not... Clicking on it.
Not so hard.
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Honestly, I think it's really ridiculous that people say Destiny promotes negativity and is toxic to a community. I was only ever moderately involved in the SC2 community, played a ton during the beta and then kinda left it while continuing to watch tournament streams when I became a fan of Destiny. I didn't become a fan of Destiny simply because he was the only guy on and I thought he was funny. I didn't become a fan because I thought he was any good. I just liked watching his stream because atleast once a day he invokes really intelligent discussion with his viewers. About philosophy, science, history something interesting and informative. Also a major part of his ideology is just be who you are. Figure out who you are, stop trying to be someone else and do what you're good at. Maybe you're not into intelligent conversation and would rather watch iNcontroL whip his hair back and forth and crack jokes about Incredible Miracle sounding like an overly dramatic movie based on an underdog story. That's fine. That's the difference between wanting to watch something like Adult Swim over a discovery channel special or something. I just think it's silly people would want to go out of their way to hate on someone who just speaks his mind, is entertaining and makes you think about something universal in life.
Disclaimer: I enjoy iNcontroL. He's probably the only EG player that I actually enjoyed to watch because his content was entertaining. I just value intelligent conversation more than pure comedic entertainment. Which would be almost impossible to deny destiny having, because of how many of these talk shows he's been on primarily for this purpose.
idk, I kind of went off on a rant, I just don't understand why all the hate for Destiny.
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On March 29 2013 02:55 Zennith wrote:
Does destiny even know how to play sc2 anymore?
hehehe 
i hoped to never hear from destiny again but i guess i was wrong... i wonder what he will hate about now
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On March 29 2013 08:49 WeedRa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 02:55 Zennith wrote:
Does destiny even know how to play sc2 anymore? hehehe i hoped to never hear from destiny again but i guess i was wrong... i wonder what he will hate about now
you should watch the vod and find out, it was actually very interesting and contained very little bullshit
edit: and the most interesting fact: chanman is 37. holy shit.
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On March 29 2013 08:38 Asday wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 08:33 Godwrath wrote:On March 29 2013 08:32 th3_great wrote:
'is it really team liquids job to decide who we should or shouldn't watch?' thats a very interesting point of discussion. TL protects us from people like combatex. I want them on that wall, i need them on that wall. I don't like djWHEAT. TL will put his show in a spotlight underneath the calendar when it comes on. I "protect" myself, by just... Not... Clicking on it. Not so hard.
I think he's referring to the opposite end of the spectrum with the less well-established streamers where their entire streaming future relies on how much exposure that they receive. And for TL to take into their own hands to cherry-pick the arbitrarily decided "good" (spotlighted, highly promoted, etc etc.) or "bad" (Discouraged, highly promoted NEGATIVELY, etc etc)
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I hate to critcise hardworking people like Chanman who are very symphatic, but basically everything he says just makes me think he is kinda stupid?
Like it should be pretty obivious that Blizzard will deifnitely not make a lan-client overnight if a tournmanet has connection-issues, due to the business model of Bnet 2.0.
Wait he is 37? I thought he was like 22 lol.
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On March 29 2013 08:51 FetusFondler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 08:38 Asday wrote:On March 29 2013 08:33 Godwrath wrote:On March 29 2013 08:32 th3_great wrote:
'is it really team liquids job to decide who we should or shouldn't watch?' thats a very interesting point of discussion. TL protects us from people like combatex. I want them on that wall, i need them on that wall. I don't like djWHEAT. TL will put his show in a spotlight underneath the calendar when it comes on. I "protect" myself, by just... Not... Clicking on it. Not so hard. I think he's referring to the opposite end of the spectrum with the less well-established streamers where their entire streaming future relies on how much exposure that they receive. And for TL to take into their own hands to cherry-pick the arbitrarily decided "good" (spotlighted, highly promoted, etc etc.) or "bad" (Discouraged, highly promoted NEGATIVELY, etc etc)
Of course, and that's very nice for them, but it is bad. Read up on monopolies.
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Honestly, I was quite pleased with the show. I'd take it over ITG or any of those types. Hope it stays alive! Destiny just needs to quit LoL now!11!
And TL should actually feature the people who get <1k viewers. Other than a few KR streams, I'm almost always watching streams with less than 500 viewers.
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Good Show, keep it up guys!
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On March 29 2013 08:52 Hider wrote:
I hate to critcise hardworking people like Chanman who are very symphatic, but basically everything he says just makes me think he is kinda stupid?
Like it should be pretty obivious that Blizzard will deifnitely not make a lan-client overnight if a tournmanet has connection-issues, due to the business model of Bnet 2.0.
Wait he is 37? I thought he was like 22 lol.
i think hes just trying to make a discussion of it. the topics they talked about are pretty clear cut, but it wouldnt be a long show if they just said the facts and left it at that.
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On March 29 2013 08:52 Hider wrote:
I hate to critcise hardworking people like Chanman who are very symphatic, but basically everything he says just makes me think he is kinda stupid?
Like it should be pretty obivious that Blizzard will deifnitely not make a lan-client overnight if a tournmanet has connection-issues, due to the business model of Bnet 2.0.
Wait he is 37? I thought he was like 22 lol.
I think he was just a little under prepared to argue with destiny and play devil advocate on something destiny knows so well. Gotta cut the guy some slack, he does this on his off time and has a job and kids to take care of mainly.
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Only caught the tail end but was a great show at the end plz get featured on TL with the show I don't wanna miss next week 
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I really enjoyed the show. Some good discussion here and there. Keep up the good work!
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On March 29 2013 06:40 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 06:20 ACrow wrote:On March 29 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
See ? It was a good move, already 4 pages on a ChamanV thread. That's true, at least it draws some much needed attention to an underappreciated pillar of our community. Chanman's such a hard worker, hopefully this results in more viewers for him! That being said though, I also say that I won't watch anything involving Destiny. Imo, [bold]he's proven that he doesn't give a shit about the game or our community[/bold] - he's done a lot of bad things for us, and he shouldn't try to come back. How in the fuck do you get off saying such incredibly fucking stupid shit? You realize I've dumped more time into SC2 and SC2-related endeavors than pretty much every other person outside of the pro scene (and more-so than some people even involved in the pro scene today). You realize that I've played BW possibly since before you were even in fucking GRADE SCHOOL, right? How the fuck does someone like you get off saying some incredibly stupid shit like "he doesn't give a shit about our community?" When I complain and say that no one in the industry gets paid, and you say I'm just crying wolf, guess what? YOU are the entitled little fucking piece of shit who doesn't give a fuck about the community. YOU are the one that doesn't give a fuck that MLG volunteers, website writers, artists, designers, show-hosts, b-teamers, streamers without partnerships, and a whole lot of other people in e-sports don't get paid SHIT. You think that you can just sit there and armchair coach everyone else about everything, and then say I'm just "crying wolf" and "not giving a shit" because I think the fact that most people are unpaid or underpaid deserves attention? Seriously, FUCK YOU. User was warned for this post
Hi,
I don't know how you got the idea I would disagree with the bolded part. I'm all for properly paid professionals. I must have missed that you were some leading proponent for that issue. Probably went unnoticed by me in between your profanities, racial slurs and all the drama you were involved in over the years.
What I meant is the "SC2 is dying" thing you stirred up. You riled up a part of this community, frightened them, and shortly after left for LoL, which in my eyes made it insincere right from the start and made it look like all you wanted to accomplish is to take as much of your viewership as possible with you. The "SC2 is dying" nonsense plagued this community for a long while after you left, and I think at least partially was a cause for dropping viewer numbers (as in: self-fulfilling prophecy), which is what I meant with bad things you did for our community - you poisoned the climate. This is of course all my interpretation, other people's opinion may differ, and I'm just writing this because of your ad hominem attack, which I found rather unwarranted. Apologies @Chanman, I didn't want to derail this thread any further, but I couldn't leave this reply unanswered.
Destiny, it might suit you well to become more level-headed and take stuff not as personal. Maybe then people would take you as serious as you seem to demand from the community.
Oh btw, I'm ~6 years older than you, you were a little off with your grade school remark.
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