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wraithy
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland13 Posts
March 28 2013 23:58 GMT
#161
Hey, Chanman. It seems every time that you talk, it mutes Steven. Could you remove that option if possible for the next show? Since if Destiny is doing his "rant" and you talk or laugh at the same time, it mutes Destiny for a moment. Thanks!
Ozcollo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States154 Posts
March 28 2013 23:59 GMT
#162
Entertaining show, Chanman. Don't be afraid to interrupt Destiny during his rants though. Once he gets going it's hard for him to stop, lol. Will tune in next week!
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2104 Posts
March 28 2013 23:59 GMT
#163
@ACrow
For the sake of this thread, can't you just PM him that stuff? They are way more likely to read it that way, too. Just a thought =/
th3_great
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom429 Posts
March 29 2013 00:01 GMT
#164
i just hope TL gets the show featured for next time. its like they were saying, TL liking you can make or break your stream.
did you read the script?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 29 2013 00:02 GMT
#165
On March 29 2013 09:01 th3_great wrote:
i just hope TL gets the show featured for next time. its like they were saying, TL liking you can make or break your stream.

?

Chanman has been featured before on the sidebar. this whole thing seems to be last minute and not much notice given to viewers or tl.net. maybe chanman just didnt bother to notify tl.net of his show. he didnt even give us the url link in the op.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 00:07:25
March 29 2013 00:05 GMT
#166
On March 29 2013 08:58 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:40 Destiny wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:20 ACrow wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
See ? It was a good move, already 4 pages on a ChamanV thread.

That's true, at least it draws some much needed attention to an underappreciated pillar of our community. Chanman's such a hard worker, hopefully this results in more viewers for him!
That being said though, I also say that I won't watch anything involving Destiny. Imo, [bold]he's proven that he doesn't give a shit about the game or our community[/bold] - he's done a lot of bad things for us, and he shouldn't try to come back.


How in the fuck do you get off saying such incredibly fucking stupid shit? You realize I've dumped more time into SC2 and SC2-related endeavors than pretty much every other person outside of the pro scene (and more-so than some people even involved in the pro scene today). You realize that I've played BW possibly since before you were even in fucking GRADE SCHOOL, right? How the fuck does someone like you get off saying some incredibly stupid shit like "he doesn't give a shit about our community?"

When I complain and say that no one in the industry gets paid, and you say I'm just crying wolf, guess what? YOU are the entitled little fucking piece of shit who doesn't give a fuck about the community. YOU are the one that doesn't give a fuck that MLG volunteers, website writers, artists, designers, show-hosts, b-teamers, streamers without partnerships, and a whole lot of other people in e-sports don't get paid SHIT. You think that you can just sit there and armchair coach everyone else about everything, and then say I'm just "crying wolf" and "not giving a shit" because I think the fact that most people are unpaid or underpaid deserves attention?

Seriously, FUCK YOU.

User was warned for this post

Hi,
I don't know how you got the idea I would disagree with the bolded part. I'm all for properly paid professionals. I must have missed that you were some leading proponent for that issue. Probably went unnoticed by me in between your profanities, racial slurs and all the drama you were involved in over the years.
What I meant is the "SC2 is dying" thing you stirred up. You riled up a part of this community, frightened them, and shortly after left for LoL, which in my eyes made it insincere right from the start and made it look like all you wanted to accomplish is to take as much of your viewership as possible with you. The "SC2 is dying" nonsense plagued this community for a long while after you left, and I think at least partially was a cause for dropping viewer numbers (as in: self-fulfilling prophecy), which is what I meant with bad things you did for our community - you poisoned the climate. This is of course all my interpretation, other people's opinion may differ, and I'm just writing this because of your ad hominem attack, which I found rather unwarranted. Apologies @Chanman, I didn't want to derail this thread any further, but I couldn't leave this reply unanswered.

Destiny, it might suit you well to become more level-headed and take stuff not as personal. Maybe then people would take you as serious as you seem to demand from the community.

Oh btw, I'm ~6 years older than you, you were a little off with your grade school remark.


The problem with your argumentation;

1) You provide no evidence that Destiny caused viewerships to decline further.
2) Instead, you basically just assume that because he made a critical post then people will stop watching the game.
3) One could actually have argued that increased drama creates increased attention/focus on Sc2 which could help deaccelerate the decline. IMO that theory is at least as valid as players being "afraid" to play Sc2 because its dying.
3) You could at leats have attempted to analyze whether the decline in viewerships further accelerated after the post.
4) Instead, you end up shitting on Destiny because he was "kinda" right on his prediction. Given that approach there is no way Destiny can ever be right.
5) I believe you are not in a position to evaluate Destinys argumentation biasless, and instead just hate on him due to his personality (why else would you mention racial slurs and drama history - that is totally irrelevant in this discussion).


ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
March 29 2013 00:06 GMT
#167
On March 29 2013 08:59 Blargh wrote:
@ACrow
For the sake of this thread, can't you just PM him that stuff? They are way more likely to read it that way, too. Just a thought =/

Sorry, but I don't like being chastised in public and not be allowed to respond properly.
Get off my lawn, young punks
WeedRa
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany815 Posts
March 29 2013 00:07 GMT
#168
On March 29 2013 08:58 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:40 Destiny wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:20 ACrow wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
See ? It was a good move, already 4 pages on a ChamanV thread.

That's true, at least it draws some much needed attention to an underappreciated pillar of our community. Chanman's such a hard worker, hopefully this results in more viewers for him!
That being said though, I also say that I won't watch anything involving Destiny. Imo, [bold]he's proven that he doesn't give a shit about the game or our community[/bold] - he's done a lot of bad things for us, and he shouldn't try to come back.


How in the fuck do you get off saying such incredibly fucking stupid shit? You realize I've dumped more time into SC2 and SC2-related endeavors than pretty much every other person outside of the pro scene (and more-so than some people even involved in the pro scene today). You realize that I've played BW possibly since before you were even in fucking GRADE SCHOOL, right? How the fuck does someone like you get off saying some incredibly stupid shit like "he doesn't give a shit about our community?"

When I complain and say that no one in the industry gets paid, and you say I'm just crying wolf, guess what? YOU are the entitled little fucking piece of shit who doesn't give a fuck about the community. YOU are the one that doesn't give a fuck that MLG volunteers, website writers, artists, designers, show-hosts, b-teamers, streamers without partnerships, and a whole lot of other people in e-sports don't get paid SHIT. You think that you can just sit there and armchair coach everyone else about everything, and then say I'm just "crying wolf" and "not giving a shit" because I think the fact that most people are unpaid or underpaid deserves attention?

Seriously, FUCK YOU.

User was warned for this post

Hi,
I don't know how you got the idea I would disagree with the bolded part. I'm all for properly paid professionals. I must have missed that you were some leading proponent for that issue. Probably went unnoticed by me in between your profanities, racial slurs and all the drama you were involved in over the years.
What I meant is the "SC2 is dying" thing you stirred up. You riled up a part of this community, frightened them, and shortly after left for LoL, which in my eyes made it insincere right from the start and made it look like all you wanted to accomplish is to take as much of your viewership as possible with you. The "SC2 is dying" nonsense plagued this community for a long while after you left, and I think at least partially was a cause for dropping viewer numbers (as in: self-fulfilling prophecy), which is what I meant with bad things you did for our community - you poisoned the climate. This is of course all my interpretation, other people's opinion may differ, and I'm just writing this because of your ad hominem attack, which I found rather unwarranted. Apologies @Chanman, I didn't want to derail this thread any further, but I couldn't leave this reply unanswered.

Destiny, it might suit you well to become more level-headed and take stuff not as personal. Maybe then people would take you as serious as you seem to demand from the community.

Oh btw, I'm ~6 years older than you, you were a little off with your grade school remark.



Well said ACrow, I couldn't have said it any better!
th3_great
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom429 Posts
March 29 2013 00:12 GMT
#169
On March 29 2013 09:05 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 08:58 ACrow wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:40 Destiny wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:20 ACrow wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
See ? It was a good move, already 4 pages on a ChamanV thread.

That's true, at least it draws some much needed attention to an underappreciated pillar of our community. Chanman's such a hard worker, hopefully this results in more viewers for him!
That being said though, I also say that I won't watch anything involving Destiny. Imo, [bold]he's proven that he doesn't give a shit about the game or our community[/bold] - he's done a lot of bad things for us, and he shouldn't try to come back.


How in the fuck do you get off saying such incredibly fucking stupid shit? You realize I've dumped more time into SC2 and SC2-related endeavors than pretty much every other person outside of the pro scene (and more-so than some people even involved in the pro scene today). You realize that I've played BW possibly since before you were even in fucking GRADE SCHOOL, right? How the fuck does someone like you get off saying some incredibly stupid shit like "he doesn't give a shit about our community?"

When I complain and say that no one in the industry gets paid, and you say I'm just crying wolf, guess what? YOU are the entitled little fucking piece of shit who doesn't give a fuck about the community. YOU are the one that doesn't give a fuck that MLG volunteers, website writers, artists, designers, show-hosts, b-teamers, streamers without partnerships, and a whole lot of other people in e-sports don't get paid SHIT. You think that you can just sit there and armchair coach everyone else about everything, and then say I'm just "crying wolf" and "not giving a shit" because I think the fact that most people are unpaid or underpaid deserves attention?

Seriously, FUCK YOU.

User was warned for this post

Hi,
I don't know how you got the idea I would disagree with the bolded part. I'm all for properly paid professionals. I must have missed that you were some leading proponent for that issue. Probably went unnoticed by me in between your profanities, racial slurs and all the drama you were involved in over the years.
What I meant is the "SC2 is dying" thing you stirred up. You riled up a part of this community, frightened them, and shortly after left for LoL, which in my eyes made it insincere right from the start and made it look like all you wanted to accomplish is to take as much of your viewership as possible with you. The "SC2 is dying" nonsense plagued this community for a long while after you left, and I think at least partially was a cause for dropping viewer numbers (as in: self-fulfilling prophecy), which is what I meant with bad things you did for our community - you poisoned the climate. This is of course all my interpretation, other people's opinion may differ, and I'm just writing this because of your ad hominem attack, which I found rather unwarranted. Apologies @Chanman, I didn't want to derail this thread any further, but I couldn't leave this reply unanswered.

Destiny, it might suit you well to become more level-headed and take stuff not as personal. Maybe then people would take you as serious as you seem to demand from the community.

Oh btw, I'm ~6 years older than you, you were a little off with your grade school remark.


The problem with your argumentation;

1) You provide no evidence that Destiny caused viewerships to decline further.
2) Instead, you basically just assume that because he made a critical post then people will stop watching the game.
3) One could actually have argued that increased drama creates increased attention/focus on Sc2 which could help deaccelerate the decline. IMO that theory is at least as valid as players being "afraid" to play Sc2 because its dying.
3) You could at leats have attempted to analyze whether the decline in viewerships further accelerated after the post.
4) Instead, you end up shitting on Destiny because he was "kinda" right on his prediction. Given that approach there is no way Destiny can ever be right.
5) I believe you are not in a position to evaluate Destinys argumentation biasless, and instead just hate on him due to his personality (why else would you mention racial slurs and drama history - that is totally irrelevant in this discussion).




you also have to remember that stream viewers did not shrink, every other esport just grew by comparison. sc2 did its growing in 2011. 2012 was the year of lol and dota 2.
did you read the script?
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 00:17:16
March 29 2013 00:15 GMT
#170
On March 29 2013 09:12 th3_great wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 09:05 Hider wrote:
On March 29 2013 08:58 ACrow wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:40 Destiny wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:20 ACrow wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
See ? It was a good move, already 4 pages on a ChamanV thread.

That's true, at least it draws some much needed attention to an underappreciated pillar of our community. Chanman's such a hard worker, hopefully this results in more viewers for him!
That being said though, I also say that I won't watch anything involving Destiny. Imo, [bold]he's proven that he doesn't give a shit about the game or our community[/bold] - he's done a lot of bad things for us, and he shouldn't try to come back.


How in the fuck do you get off saying such incredibly fucking stupid shit? You realize I've dumped more time into SC2 and SC2-related endeavors than pretty much every other person outside of the pro scene (and more-so than some people even involved in the pro scene today). You realize that I've played BW possibly since before you were even in fucking GRADE SCHOOL, right? How the fuck does someone like you get off saying some incredibly stupid shit like "he doesn't give a shit about our community?"

When I complain and say that no one in the industry gets paid, and you say I'm just crying wolf, guess what? YOU are the entitled little fucking piece of shit who doesn't give a fuck about the community. YOU are the one that doesn't give a fuck that MLG volunteers, website writers, artists, designers, show-hosts, b-teamers, streamers without partnerships, and a whole lot of other people in e-sports don't get paid SHIT. You think that you can just sit there and armchair coach everyone else about everything, and then say I'm just "crying wolf" and "not giving a shit" because I think the fact that most people are unpaid or underpaid deserves attention?

Seriously, FUCK YOU.

User was warned for this post

Hi,
I don't know how you got the idea I would disagree with the bolded part. I'm all for properly paid professionals. I must have missed that you were some leading proponent for that issue. Probably went unnoticed by me in between your profanities, racial slurs and all the drama you were involved in over the years.
What I meant is the "SC2 is dying" thing you stirred up. You riled up a part of this community, frightened them, and shortly after left for LoL, which in my eyes made it insincere right from the start and made it look like all you wanted to accomplish is to take as much of your viewership as possible with you. The "SC2 is dying" nonsense plagued this community for a long while after you left, and I think at least partially was a cause for dropping viewer numbers (as in: self-fulfilling prophecy), which is what I meant with bad things you did for our community - you poisoned the climate. This is of course all my interpretation, other people's opinion may differ, and I'm just writing this because of your ad hominem attack, which I found rather unwarranted. Apologies @Chanman, I didn't want to derail this thread any further, but I couldn't leave this reply unanswered.

Destiny, it might suit you well to become more level-headed and take stuff not as personal. Maybe then people would take you as serious as you seem to demand from the community.

Oh btw, I'm ~6 years older than you, you were a little off with your grade school remark.


The problem with your argumentation;

1) You provide no evidence that Destiny caused viewerships to decline further.
2) Instead, you basically just assume that because he made a critical post then people will stop watching the game.
3) One could actually have argued that increased drama creates increased attention/focus on Sc2 which could help deaccelerate the decline. IMO that theory is at least as valid as players being "afraid" to play Sc2 because its dying.
3) You could at leats have attempted to analyze whether the decline in viewerships further accelerated after the post.
4) Instead, you end up shitting on Destiny because he was "kinda" right on his prediction. Given that approach there is no way Destiny can ever be right.
5) I believe you are not in a position to evaluate Destinys argumentation biasless, and instead just hate on him due to his personality (why else would you mention racial slurs and drama history - that is totally irrelevant in this discussion).




you also have to remember that stream viewers did not shrink, every other esport just grew by comparison. sc2 did its growing in 2011. 2012 was the year of lol and dota 2.


What do you mean have to remember? The entire point of Destinys article was that Sc2 was losing viewers to for instance LOL. Destiny tried to come up with a few solutions in order to grow sc2 viewerships.
But obiviously the esports market size wasn't shrinking. I remember DJ What used that argument at ITG, which kinda demonstrated that he really had no idea what Destiny was talking about.
stfouri
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland272 Posts
March 29 2013 00:16 GMT
#171
Can't believe something bandwagonish as hating Blizzard can make someone so big here.

I'll tune in next time just for the lolz.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2104 Posts
March 29 2013 00:18 GMT
#172
Because responding properly is doing it through a public thread instead of a direct PM. -cough-

Anyway, dunno if Chanman has had his stream up there before or not, but when I was trying to find it via TL, it was nowhere to be found. Had to google chanmanv and head to his stream that way. He should have linked his stream in OP!!!
Hadley88
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany267 Posts
March 29 2013 00:20 GMT
#173
Stopped reading after "Destiny".
KingAce
Profile Joined September 2010
United States471 Posts
March 29 2013 00:20 GMT
#174
As much as I find Destiny entertaining. The things he has said about SC2 and it's death especially before Hots...did rub a few people in this community the wrong way. SC2 is a dieing game etc...

People want to defend him. But IMO he said what he said and has done what he has done, and this is the result. It's not like people formed these opinions of him from hearsay. His actions, his consequences.

And I have seen his chat. What is easily moderated in other chats, is free to roam on his...racism especially.
"You're defined by the WORST of your group..." Bill Burr
FetusFondler
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States246 Posts
March 29 2013 00:23 GMT
#175
On March 29 2013 08:58 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 06:40 Destiny wrote:
On March 29 2013 06:20 ACrow wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:35 Godwrath wrote:
See ? It was a good move, already 4 pages on a ChamanV thread.

That's true, at least it draws some much needed attention to an underappreciated pillar of our community. Chanman's such a hard worker, hopefully this results in more viewers for him!
That being said though, I also say that I won't watch anything involving Destiny. Imo, [bold]he's proven that he doesn't give a shit about the game or our community[/bold] - he's done a lot of bad things for us, and he shouldn't try to come back.


How in the fuck do you get off saying such incredibly fucking stupid shit? You realize I've dumped more time into SC2 and SC2-related endeavors than pretty much every other person outside of the pro scene (and more-so than some people even involved in the pro scene today). You realize that I've played BW possibly since before you were even in fucking GRADE SCHOOL, right? How the fuck does someone like you get off saying some incredibly stupid shit like "he doesn't give a shit about our community?"

When I complain and say that no one in the industry gets paid, and you say I'm just crying wolf, guess what? YOU are the entitled little fucking piece of shit who doesn't give a fuck about the community. YOU are the one that doesn't give a fuck that MLG volunteers, website writers, artists, designers, show-hosts, b-teamers, streamers without partnerships, and a whole lot of other people in e-sports don't get paid SHIT. You think that you can just sit there and armchair coach everyone else about everything, and then say I'm just "crying wolf" and "not giving a shit" because I think the fact that most people are unpaid or underpaid deserves attention?

Seriously, FUCK YOU.

User was warned for this post

Hi,
I don't know how you got the idea I would disagree with the bolded part. I'm all for properly paid professionals. I must have missed that you were some leading proponent for that issue. Probably went unnoticed by me in between your profanities, racial slurs and all the drama you were involved in over the years.
What I meant is the "SC2 is dying" thing you stirred up. You riled up a part of this community, frightened them, and shortly after left for LoL, which in my eyes made it insincere right from the start and made it look like all you wanted to accomplish is to take as much of your viewership as possible with you. The "SC2 is dying" nonsense plagued this community for a long while after you left, and I think at least partially was a cause for dropping viewer numbers (as in: self-fulfilling prophecy), which is what I meant with bad things you did for our community - you poisoned the climate. This is of course all my interpretation, other people's opinion may differ, and I'm just writing this because of your ad hominem attack, which I found rather unwarranted. Apologies @Chanman, I didn't want to derail this thread any further, but I couldn't leave this reply unanswered.

Destiny, it might suit you well to become more level-headed and take stuff not as personal. Maybe then people would take you as serious as you seem to demand from the community.

Oh btw, I'm ~6 years older than you, you were a little off with your grade school remark.


He didn't poison anything, he just exposed a lot of the obvious problems with SC2. How can you be poisoning something just by OBJECTIVELY pointing something out. Doesn't make sense.

PS: How can you call him out for taking things personally when LITERALLY the last line in your post is a personal attack on him, what the hell?
None are so busy as the fool and knave.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
March 29 2013 00:24 GMT
#176
On March 29 2013 09:20 KingAce wrote:
As much as I find Destiny entertaining. The things he has said about SC2 and it's death especially before Hots...did rub a few people in this community the wrong way. SC2 is a dieing game etc...

People want to defend him. But IMO he said what he said and has done what he has done, and this is the result. It's not like people formed these opinions of him from hearsay. His actions, his consequences.

And I have seen his chat. What is easily moderated in other chats, is free to roam on his...racism especially.


Please stop repeating this nonsense. Read the article instead and argue why he is wrong. Don't shoot the messenger if what he wrote happens to be the truth. If you don't think its the truth, then argue why.
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
March 29 2013 00:26 GMT
#177
I will approach the show with an open mind because I honestly believe that this pairing will make for an interesting show. I also like to watch all of chanmans shows when I can because he puts out a good product. Hopefully other people will do the same.
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
hXc_
Profile Joined May 2012
179 Posts
March 29 2013 00:27 GMT
#178
On March 29 2013 09:20 KingAce wrote:
As much as I find Destiny entertaining. The things he has said about SC2 and it's death especially before Hots...did rub a few people in this community the wrong way. SC2 is a dieing game etc...

People want to defend him. But IMO he said what he said and has done what he has done, and this is the result. It's not like people formed these opinions of him from hearsay. His actions, his consequences.

And I have seen his chat. What is easily moderated in other chats, is free to roam on his...racism especially.


It's exactly like he said yesterday on stream - perception is reality, if people think, or that's how understood what he said ie "SC2 is dying", that's what he has said. It doesn't matter what he thought or what he wanted to say or how he wanted that to sound, it's just simply what he said. Nothing to be done about that now, just learn lesson from this and move on, and he knows that
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 00:31:49
March 29 2013 00:29 GMT
#179
On March 29 2013 09:27 hXc_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 09:20 KingAce wrote:
As much as I find Destiny entertaining. The things he has said about SC2 and it's death especially before Hots...did rub a few people in this community the wrong way. SC2 is a dieing game etc...

People want to defend him. But IMO he said what he said and has done what he has done, and this is the result. It's not like people formed these opinions of him from hearsay. His actions, his consequences.

And I have seen his chat. What is easily moderated in other chats, is free to roam on his...racism especially.


It's exactly like he said yesterday on stream - perception is reality, if people think, or that's how understood what he said ie "SC2 is dying", that's what he has said. It doesn't matter what he thought or what he wanted to say or how he wanted that to sound, it's just simply what he said. Nothing to be done about that now, just learn lesson from this and move on, and he knows that


Yeh this is true, but some times stuff like this just annoys the crap out of me (that ppl can be so stupid and not bother to read/understand his actualy arguments/thought proces).
ChanmanV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1156 Posts
March 29 2013 00:30 GMT
#180
On March 29 2013 09:18 Blargh wrote:
Because responding properly is doing it through a public thread instead of a direct PM. -cough-

Anyway, dunno if Chanman has had his stream up there before or not, but when I was trying to find it via TL, it was nowhere to be found. Had to google chanmanv and head to his stream that way. He should have linked his stream in OP!!!


Working with TL to possibly get the show listed next time. Also the OP is a work in progress. You'll see the graphics and info come together soon. I just added the link to my stream in the OP.
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