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On March 28 2013 14:12 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 14:01 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work?
The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees. so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors. On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote:And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa  ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again. Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years. by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players. Liquid: TLO, Ret, Hero, Taeja, etc Mouz: Illusion, Mana, Hasuobs Acer: Nerchio, Scarlett, MMA Fnatic: Sase. NightEnd Karont3: Lucifron, Vortix
you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here.
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Northern Ireland24977 Posts
On March 28 2013 14:21 rj rl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 14:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:01 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work?
The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees. so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors. On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote:And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again. Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years. by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players. Liquid: TLO, Ret, Hero, Taeja, etc Mouz: Illusion, Mana, Hasuobs Acer: Nerchio, Scarlett, MMA Fnatic: Sase. NightEnd Karont3: Lucifron, Vortix you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here.
Well apparently it is enough to remain competitive otherwise EG wouldn't do so relatively badly in teamleagues would they?
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On March 28 2013 14:21 rj rl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 14:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:01 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work?
The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees. so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors. On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote:And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again. Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years. by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players. Liquid: TLO, Ret, Hero, Taeja, etc Mouz: Illusion, Mana, Hasuobs Acer: Nerchio, Scarlett, MMA Fnatic: Sase. NightEnd Karont3: Lucifron, Vortix you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here.
every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain
don't get mad at me for the parameters you set.
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Don't raise our hopes up with Proleague! I don't want to get pulled into the TL/EG hype train again (only to get smashed back down by the results.)
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On March 28 2013 14:09 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 14:01 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work?
The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees. so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors. On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote:And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again. Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years. by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players. Oh well shit son, I wasn't aware of the idea of sponsors funding EG. The same sponsors that I can pretty much list because EG actually publicise them well. The same sponsors that sponsor EG for that exposure. Oh but yeah put something in latin to ram home your redundant point in a smug fashion, a point that I am perfectly aware of. Even in 'real' sports the team does not directly earn the biggest football teams their cash. Sponsorship and the TV deals that come with it, global fanbases and merchandising all have an effect as well.
so you somewhat agree that they're paid for the show, not for play level, that's why JD was a great pick up, that also is why he's more encouraged in fulfilling his contract by hots-campaign streams than by training hard.
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On March 28 2013 14:27 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 14:21 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 14:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:01 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work?
The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees. so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors. On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote:And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again. Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years. by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players. Liquid: TLO, Ret, Hero, Taeja, etc Mouz: Illusion, Mana, Hasuobs Acer: Nerchio, Scarlett, MMA Fnatic: Sase. NightEnd Karont3: Lucifron, Vortix you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here. every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain don't get mad at me for the parameters you set.
Not according to results. Thorzain, Idra and Huk all have multiple major victories - IEM/DH/IPL/MLG/TSL. Illusion, Sase, NightEnd, Vortix, Lucifron, TLO, Ret, HasuObs and Scarlett between them have won zero Dreamhacks, zero IPLs, zero IEMs, zero MLGs and zero TSLs. There are definitely some arguments for players like Scarlett or Vortix, but NightEnd? Really, NightEnd as good as Thorzain? For realsies?
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On March 28 2013 14:30 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 14:27 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:21 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 14:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:01 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work?
The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees. so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors. On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote:And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again. Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years. by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players. Liquid: TLO, Ret, Hero, Taeja, etc Mouz: Illusion, Mana, Hasuobs Acer: Nerchio, Scarlett, MMA Fnatic: Sase. NightEnd Karont3: Lucifron, Vortix you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here. every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain don't get mad at me for the parameters you set. Not according to results. Thorzain, Idra and Huk all have multiple major victories - DH/IPL/MLG/TSL.
if we talk about level of play right now, they are. which is the most relevant thing right now. several of those players are currently better than thorzain, idra and huk as well. and i say all of this as an EG fan.
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On March 28 2013 14:30 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 14:27 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:21 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 14:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:01 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work?
The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees. so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors. On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote:And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again. Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years. by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players. Liquid: TLO, Ret, Hero, Taeja, etc Mouz: Illusion, Mana, Hasuobs Acer: Nerchio, Scarlett, MMA Fnatic: Sase. NightEnd Karont3: Lucifron, Vortix you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here. every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain don't get mad at me for the parameters you set. Not according to results. Thorzain, Idra and Huk all have multiple major victories - DH/IPL/MLG/TSL.
In current skill, obviously. Tournament wins from ancient history aren't relevant when discussing how good they are now.
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ohhhh shhhhhhtttt
i really hope that eg and or tl will continue to participate in proleague even if this season doesn't work out. to me this feels like quite the investment despite the fact that high proleague standings are very difficult to achieve...
that being said, in coach park i believe *_*
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Will be shocked if this benefits Oz or aLive in the long run.
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On March 28 2013 14:16 StaplerPhone wrote:
How is EG affording all this...? Is the ROI actually good enough to support everything?
they probably earn less money than puma did with his last contract, but yeah id still like to know where they get all that money from.
of course they are clearly the leading western team publicity- and skill-wise, but its hard to imagine they get thaaaat much money because of that. who knows, probably it is just like that.
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On March 28 2013 14:32 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 14:30 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On March 28 2013 14:27 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:21 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 14:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:01 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work?
The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees. so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors. On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote:And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again. Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years. by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players. Liquid: TLO, Ret, Hero, Taeja, etc Mouz: Illusion, Mana, Hasuobs Acer: Nerchio, Scarlett, MMA Fnatic: Sase. NightEnd Karont3: Lucifron, Vortix you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here. every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain don't get mad at me for the parameters you set. Not according to results. Thorzain, Idra and Huk all have multiple major victories - DH/IPL/MLG/TSL. if we talk about level of play right now, they are. which is the most relevant thing right now. several of those players are currently better than thorzain, idra and huk as well. and i say all of this as an EG fan.
Sure, there's arguments about some of them. And I'm definitely willing to concede HerO, Taeja, Nerchio and some others, of course. But we're talking about every single one of those players, according to the post. And I'm sorry, I ain't buying it. NightEnd is probably the worst player I can think of who's still a legitimate pro gamer.
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Northern Ireland24977 Posts
On March 28 2013 14:29 rj rl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 14:09 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 28 2013 14:01 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work?
The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees. so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors. On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote:And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again. Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years. by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players. Oh well shit son, I wasn't aware of the idea of sponsors funding EG. The same sponsors that I can pretty much list because EG actually publicise them well. The same sponsors that sponsor EG for that exposure. Oh but yeah put something in latin to ram home your redundant point in a smug fashion, a point that I am perfectly aware of. Even in 'real' sports the team does not directly earn the biggest football teams their cash. Sponsorship and the TV deals that come with it, global fanbases and merchandising all have an effect as well. so you somewhat agree that they're paid for the show, not for play level, that's why JD was a great pick up, that also is why he's more encouraged in fulfilling his contract by hots-campaign streams than by training hard.
Dude it's Jaedong. Yeah his legend status and all-around aura gave him a leg up but he's got incredible potential. Stephano was huge, but picked primarily on playing ability imo, Thorzain likewise. Revival, Oz and Alive are hardly known in the foreign scene I find it hard to make a case for many of EG's pickups of late to be based on extraneous non-playing attributes. Some of them have marketability for sure, but alll of them are top-tier players as well, at least by the standards of foreign rosters.
EG can't win though, be lambasted for having players without results, lambasted for picking up a good roster of solid ones.
In his case, I also figure he wants to experience the foreign scene, good pickup all round, hell it might even motivate him to hit the very top again.
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Great job Coach Park, keep it up. GL to the new members and good luck EGTL.
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Northern Ireland24977 Posts
On March 28 2013 14:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 14:32 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:30 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On March 28 2013 14:27 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:21 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 14:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:01 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work?
The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees. so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors. On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote:And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again. Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years. by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players. Liquid: TLO, Ret, Hero, Taeja, etc Mouz: Illusion, Mana, Hasuobs Acer: Nerchio, Scarlett, MMA Fnatic: Sase. NightEnd Karont3: Lucifron, Vortix you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here. every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain don't get mad at me for the parameters you set. Not according to results. Thorzain, Idra and Huk all have multiple major victories - DH/IPL/MLG/TSL. if we talk about level of play right now, they are. which is the most relevant thing right now. several of those players are currently better than thorzain, idra and huk as well. and i say all of this as an EG fan. Sure, there's arguments about some of them. And I'm definitely willing to concede HerO, Taeja, Nerchio and some others, of course. But we're talking about every single one of those players, according to the post. And I'm sorry, I ain't buying it. NightEnd is probably the worst player I can think of who's still a legitimate pro gamer.
Keep thinking, NightEnd is still solid enough by foreign standards. Seems a bit harsh on the guy
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On March 28 2013 14:46 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 14:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On March 28 2013 14:32 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:30 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On March 28 2013 14:27 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:21 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 14:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:01 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work?
The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees. so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors. On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote:And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again. Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years. by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players. Liquid: TLO, Ret, Hero, Taeja, etc Mouz: Illusion, Mana, Hasuobs Acer: Nerchio, Scarlett, MMA Fnatic: Sase. NightEnd Karont3: Lucifron, Vortix you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here. every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain don't get mad at me for the parameters you set. Not according to results. Thorzain, Idra and Huk all have multiple major victories - DH/IPL/MLG/TSL. if we talk about level of play right now, they are. which is the most relevant thing right now. several of those players are currently better than thorzain, idra and huk as well. and i say all of this as an EG fan. Sure, there's arguments about some of them. And I'm definitely willing to concede HerO, Taeja, Nerchio and some others, of course. But we're talking about every single one of those players, according to the post. And I'm sorry, I ain't buying it. NightEnd is probably the worst player I can think of who's still a legitimate pro gamer. Keep thinking, NightEnd is still solid enough by foreign standards. Seems a bit harsh on the guy
true... i think he can be compared to idra and huk skill wise. i hope they will again show what they showed in the past though
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Nice pickups...but it's not gonna make any difference in proleague...
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On March 28 2013 14:16 StaplerPhone wrote:
How is EG affording all this...? Is the ROI actually good enough to support everything?
What assumptions about pro-gamer salaries are you making to even ask this question?
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On March 28 2013 14:46 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 14:43 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On March 28 2013 14:32 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:30 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On March 28 2013 14:27 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:21 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 14:12 jmbthirteen wrote:On March 28 2013 14:01 rj rl wrote:On March 28 2013 13:47 Wombat_NI wrote:
What so EG one of the only Western E-sports teams that actually appears to make money, should have to curtail their pickups because their business model appears to actually work?
The analogy with football in Europe is so off-base. A lot of that regulation pertains to sugar daddies, oligarchs and sheikhs who inject clubs with shitloads of money, to unsustainable degrees. so you think it's their e-sport thing that earns them money? Sancta simplicitas, it's all about sponsors. On March 28 2013 13:53 RuskiPanda wrote:On March 28 2013 13:40 rj rl wrote:And that's why you need the global organization (like gespa ) to set the rulings and avoid this shit when one team is suddenly rich and has a roster 10 times bigger than the average and keeps spending. The similar problem is now being dealt with by UEFA in football, rather poorly again. Ten times bigger than average?? So an average team only has 1-2 players on their team? Holy shit, rofl. Not to mention that EG has never been "suddenly rich" and has had their sustainable business model for years. by roster i mean actually known names, not that roster consisting of mid GM nobodys. Please name me one EU team having at least couple of idra\stephano\jd\revival\huk\thorzain\oz\alive-caliber players. Liquid: TLO, Ret, Hero, Taeja, etc Mouz: Illusion, Mana, Hasuobs Acer: Nerchio, Scarlett, MMA Fnatic: Sase. NightEnd Karont3: Lucifron, Vortix you know the level of exaggeration yourself so i don't need to insult players. Only teamliquid is comparable, partially acer, nice competition we got here. every single one of those players I listed is on the level of at least idra/huk/thorzain don't get mad at me for the parameters you set. Not according to results. Thorzain, Idra and Huk all have multiple major victories - DH/IPL/MLG/TSL. if we talk about level of play right now, they are. which is the most relevant thing right now. several of those players are currently better than thorzain, idra and huk as well. and i say all of this as an EG fan. Sure, there's arguments about some of them. And I'm definitely willing to concede HerO, Taeja, Nerchio and some others, of course. But we're talking about every single one of those players, according to the post. And I'm sorry, I ain't buying it. NightEnd is probably the worst player I can think of who's still a legitimate pro gamer. Keep thinking, NightEnd is still solid enough by foreign standards. Seems a bit harsh on the guy
You know how there's the Grubby Line? I feel like there's a NightEnd line. NightEnd is the guy good enough to take games/series off the good foreign players. He's the worst player capable of consistently beating good players.
I dunno, I can't think of anyone he's particularly beaten or anything he's placed highly in other than WCSCE. He came second at WCS Combined Europe, playing one matchup and going 1-2 in series against biGs and Lowely, the only two decent players there. He went out 0-2 1-2 at the Europe finals to Thorzain and JohnnyRecco.
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