• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:50
CEST 22:50
KST 05:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202522Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20259Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder3EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced37BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings EWC 2025 - Replay Pack #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update Serral wins EWC 2025
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder Shield Battery Server New Patch BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Dewalt's Show Matches in China
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL] Non-Korean Championship - Final weekend [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Flash @ Namkraft Laddernet …
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 664 users

A very big change in KR SC2 scene will be announced(0403)…

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 55 56 57 Next
shadowboxer
Profile Joined November 2010
United States224 Posts
March 25 2013 07:53 GMT
#61
Where's Slasher when you need him to spoil the big news?
"Hear that? That's God laughing at your plans."
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 07:59:27
March 25 2013 07:53 GMT
#62
On March 25 2013 16:49 archonOOid wrote:
This was and is inevitable. Two separate leagues in Korea and one big developer seeking consolidation has zero prospect of a yin and yang future.


You mean OSL and GSL or GSTL and Proleague (since Proleague is excluded, the former?).

It's good that there is OSL "and" GSL because the fact that everything (for progamers in South Korea) depends on one tournament (especially considering most non-KeSPA teams do not even get salaries or much salaries, so they depend on tournament earnings) means it's too top heavy. With OSL switching to SC2, that means there would be two major tournaments which means more opportunities for pros to get money (instead of one tournament, there two tournaments).

Also unlike foreign tournaments, there is no need to travel (so practice can remain relatively the same).

On March 25 2013 16:38 H0RNET wrote:
Blizzard Action -> Kespa Disband -> Kespa Release player/Staff -> Player/Staff Join ESF -> EPIC GSL/GSTL -> 1m Viewer -> Profit


KeSPA, Proleague, and the sponsors (for the team) are what really keeps the team funded (and what makes their quality of training and everything better than others).

So far, there has been nothing like KeSPA teams.

Seeing KeSPA and their teams disband would be a sad day for StarCraft.
https://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsServerFeedback/feedback/details/741495/biggest-explorer-annoyance-automatic-sorting-windows-7-server-2008-r2-and-vista#details Allow Disable Auto Arrange in Windows 7+
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 07:55:53
March 25 2013 07:54 GMT
#63
I hope Proleague and OSL will continue, thats all I hope for. And also KeSPa does survive! I cannot imagine some people want to see KeSPa teams disband, would be horrible for Starcraft.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51449 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 07:58:57
March 25 2013 07:55 GMT
#64
While it's disappointing that the OSL may be cancelled, I'm even more disappointed they decided to run a Cyphers league in its place (for the Tuesday timeslot at least).

Traditionally, Thursday night has been Kartrider (which is currently empty). It's possible we could see the OSL on then, but it's lost most of the power it once had during the premier Wednesday/Friday night time slots to LoL. The OSL will be considered a smaller tournament (prestige wise) compared to the GSL and Proleague.
Commentator
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
March 25 2013 07:59 GMT
#65
proleague was the unique league that changed the mappool to fight the stagnating metagame. bad news so far.
Dominions 4: "Thrones of Ascension".
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 07:59:58
March 25 2013 07:59 GMT
#66
On March 25 2013 16:52 egernya wrote:
Many E-sports concerned people seem not liking this.

Um, the OSL commentator showed how he was depressed recently on his twitter.

Gisado(GSL commentator) and the head-editor of TIG had a conversation like "People will be more surprised when the renaming comes out" when there was a such big trouble with the English client for the first day of GSTL.

Also, lots of fans in Korean are panicking because of the rumor that OSL is over.


Okay, so if OSL and GSL employees don't like it, and the media-in-the-know doesn't like it, why would OGN and GSL go along with it? Why would whatever it is go ahead? Money only goes so far.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
March 25 2013 08:00 GMT
#67
Maybe I am hearing it wrong, but it sounds like Blizz, OGN, and GSL are just combining resources to create a new organization with better funding, broadcasting capabilities and just a more unified body overall. I dont see that as a problem. As for excluding KeSPA, I want to know whether that ignored KeSPA or KeSPA didn't like the terms and backed off of their own volition. Maybe even what terms they didnt like.

It changes how feel quite a bit if either Blizz,OGN, and GSL actively denied or ignored KeSPA, or if KeSPA backed away from the table on their own. Why either occurred would be nice too but I doubt that sort of info would be released unless mud slinging really took off.
skyflyfish
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada499 Posts
March 25 2013 08:03 GMT
#68
is that why EG's focusing in kr?
as1
egernya
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada352 Posts
March 25 2013 08:03 GMT
#69
On March 25 2013 16:55 GTR wrote:
While it's disappointing that the OSL may be cancelled, I'm even more disappointed they decided to run a Cyphers league in its place (for the Tuesday timeslot at least).

Traditionally, Thursday night has been Kartrider (which is currently empty). It's possible we could see the OSL on then, but it's lost most of the power it once had during the premier Wednesday/Friday night time slots to LoL.


I believe it's Wednesday and Friday in KST. LoL champ has replaced the time, actually.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 25 2013 08:04 GMT
#70
It would really suck to have no more OSL. :-/
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
March 25 2013 08:04 GMT
#71
certainly interesting news, not entirely sure if it will be good news though.

for people worrying about less progamers getting money now: that's a valid concern, but maybe they'll change the GSL (or whatever the new league will be called) format to a bigger tournament in terms of how many people play in it. they definitely aren't going to for this season judging by the numbers of qualified players, but maybe going forward.

also Proleague and GSTL still coexisting is kinda cool as their formats are pretty different, and so are the teams that play in them.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
March 25 2013 08:04 GMT
#72
I think it would be best for kr to have 1 singleplayer league and 1 teamleague since there is so much more content elsewhere. It would oversaturation for the flagship product, which is obviously worse than having oversaturation in foreign leagues.
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
March 25 2013 08:05 GMT
#73
On March 25 2013 16:59 MCXD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 16:52 egernya wrote:
Many E-sports concerned people seem not liking this.

Um, the OSL commentator showed how he was depressed recently on his twitter.

Gisado(GSL commentator) and the head-editor of TIG had a conversation like "People will be more surprised when the renaming comes out" when there was a such big trouble with the English client for the first day of GSTL.

Also, lots of fans in Korean are panicking because of the rumor that OSL is over.


Okay, so if OSL and GSL employees don't like it, and the media-in-the-know doesn't like it, why would OGN and GSL go along with it? Why would whatever it is go ahead? Money only goes so far.


Playing devils advocate, what if the new league is actually global with online qualifers going into regionals into global championship. What if OSL and GSL can see the business sense in it but maybe traditionalists or just their inner fan does not like the lack of control or perhaps lack of centralized Korean focus?
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
March 25 2013 08:06 GMT
#74
On March 25 2013 16:32 Maghetti wrote:
A new league or some combo league of kespa and esf or anything like that would be fine. Anything that destroys the GSL I will protest, and anything that destroys proleague I will protest, or any exclusion of kespa I will protest. Hoping for a league thatbrings together the best of kespa and esf a few times a year.

You said all I wanted to say, you wizard.
The heart's eternal vow
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1598 Posts
March 25 2013 08:08 GMT
#75
I hope that they don't really fuck with the system too much, but instead gave the two competing brands a better focus or force them to play nice together. It was really nice when we had OSL/MSL/PL and it would be nice if these companies together ran these events and fell underneath an organized team and league scenario.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4407 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 08:09:30
March 25 2013 08:09 GMT
#76
On March 25 2013 17:05 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 16:59 MCXD wrote:
On March 25 2013 16:52 egernya wrote:
Many E-sports concerned people seem not liking this.

Um, the OSL commentator showed how he was depressed recently on his twitter.

Gisado(GSL commentator) and the head-editor of TIG had a conversation like "People will be more surprised when the renaming comes out" when there was a such big trouble with the English client for the first day of GSTL.

Also, lots of fans in Korean are panicking because of the rumor that OSL is over.


Okay, so if OSL and GSL employees don't like it, and the media-in-the-know doesn't like it, why would OGN and GSL go along with it? Why would whatever it is go ahead? Money only goes so far.


Playing devils advocate, what if the new league is actually global with online qualifers going into regionals into global championship. What if OSL and GSL can see the business sense in it but maybe traditionalists or just their inner fan does not like the lack of control or perhaps lack of centralized Korean focus?


Latency would make this terrible. Unless you mean forcing a certain amount of each country to be in which would also just be terrible. That is what foreign tournaments are for. GSL is for seeing the best of the best.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 08:10:58
March 25 2013 08:09 GMT
#77
If Blizz kill off the OSL AND/OR Proleague, I will hate them forever

anyway it's not like KeSPA doesnt have any leverage. Lets see how these big ass conglomerates react if Proleague really get shafted

and fuck global league or anything like that. Starleagues mean skills
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 25 2013 08:09 GMT
#78
On March 25 2013 17:05 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2013 16:59 MCXD wrote:
On March 25 2013 16:52 egernya wrote:
Many E-sports concerned people seem not liking this.

Um, the OSL commentator showed how he was depressed recently on his twitter.

Gisado(GSL commentator) and the head-editor of TIG had a conversation like "People will be more surprised when the renaming comes out" when there was a such big trouble with the English client for the first day of GSTL.

Also, lots of fans in Korean are panicking because of the rumor that OSL is over.


Okay, so if OSL and GSL employees don't like it, and the media-in-the-know doesn't like it, why would OGN and GSL go along with it? Why would whatever it is go ahead? Money only goes so far.


Playing devils advocate, what if the new league is actually global with online qualifers going into regionals into global championship. What if OSL and GSL can see the business sense in it but maybe traditionalists or just their inner fan does not like the lack of control or perhaps lack of centralized Korean focus?


'Lack of centralized Korean focus?' I don't think eSports is focused around Korea right now just because of GSL. Its the best league there is and a global league would not look different in terms of Korean domination if you make it fair with global qualifiers, but no one actually wants ONLINE qualifiers for a professional league. It will allow cheaters/hackers to possibly get in. Now please don't say it cannot happen. It did happen before and will happen again if you allow so.

Would rather see new big leagues in Korea
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
March 25 2013 08:10 GMT
#79
(Based on what I read off DES) Sure Blizzard. Wave your large corporate wand and fiat away all your troubles from your financial high horse. How about promoting and altering something that can be beneficial for Starcraft 2 fundamentally? LAN or sawing off some of that truculent DRM sounds like a great start! Maybe then you'll learn inculcating your consumers is work suitable only for BO? Operate your policies from a framework that could better eSports and more importantly, the gaming industry in general? These draconian policies is what crushed a healthy Korean scene - you're literally going to suck up competition that was necessary to implement esports into a part of Korean culture. Learn to think long term, instead of slowly abrogating a tradition and Korean appeal...
▲ ▲ ▲
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 25 2013 08:10 GMT
#80
As long as PL (and hopefully, OSL) stays, I'm alright with pretty much anything. It'll be interesting to see what they'll announce.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 55 56 57 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 13h 10m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 181
JuggernautJason99
Nathanias 40
StarCraft: Brood War
ggaemo 426
Aegong 42
NaDa 9
Dota 2
syndereN621
monkeys_forever322
capcasts110
League of Legends
Grubby5743
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss841
flusha473
byalli362
Foxcn335
Super Smash Bros
Liquid`Ken32
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu592
Other Games
Hui .172
Trikslyr140
C9.Mang0119
ForJumy 76
Sick60
ZombieGrub54
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 25 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta80
• LUISG 28
• sitaska17
• musti20045 13
• Reevou 10
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 31
• FirePhoenix22
• Eskiya23 18
• 80smullet 15
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21914
• WagamamaTV622
League of Legends
• Doublelift2269
• TFBlade688
Counter-Strike
• Shiphtur282
Other Games
• imaqtpie1320
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
13h 10m
Online Event
19h 10m
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs TBD
Online Event
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs TBD
OSC
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
Yuqilin POB S2
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.