EPTZ has a lot of very good tools in HOTS, ultras, banes, vipers are strong. I dont know why speed hydras were nerfed really hard (in battle reports they gained +50% speed from muscular augments.. not +25% or +30%) but hydras are still pretty good in some compositions too. If you sit back and max out you wont do well, but you dont have to, and such behavior was suicide for toss players for a very long time (playing no rush 20)
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Z has a lot of very good tools in HOTS, ultras, banes, vipers are strong. I dont know why speed hydras were nerfed really hard (in battle reports they gained +50% speed from muscular augments.. not +25% or +30%) but hydras are still pretty good in some compositions too. If you sit back and max out you wont do well, but you dont have to, and such behavior was suicide for toss players for a very long time (playing no rush 20) | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13426 Posts
On March 05 2013 14:50 travis wrote: I haven't even watched that much but it seemed blatantly obvious that protoss air is overpowered(holy shit protoss actually op for once) vs zerg. And it's going to get worse, not better. Pros will become better at perfecting their ability to build up this OP composition. Across the board 20% DPS buff to void rays. Worst idea from Blizzard. Toggle charge? Not so bad. 0.5 attack speed? broken. They should nerf it to 0.55, see how it goes then bring it back to 0.6. But I think 0.6 would make them worthless once more. Or just reduce the damage of the charge attack because no charge 0.5 Attack Speed isn't the worst thing to happen to the game. | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
"don't let them get there" is like... How you play terran ever since sc2 came out. "Don't let toss get there" "don't let zerg free drone" etc etc... Why should this change now? You need to find ways to pressure effectively, if you attak they need to make units, if they make units they can't freely go into their uber army so easily | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
But fuck hellbats, seriously | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
Think about it, ranged siege unit with the tempest/carrier. HT is equivalent of infestor. VR's and the other units counter most AA and provide a lot of dps. It is kind of like an improved BL/infestor. Except for protoss. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On March 05 2013 14:58 Cyro wrote: The answer to BL, Infestor for a year or so was just dont let zerg get there ^^ Z has a lot of very good tools in HOTS, ultras, banes, vipers are strong. I dont know why speed hydras were nerfed really hard (in battle reports they gained +50% speed from muscular augments.. not +25% or +30%) but hydras are still pretty good in some compositions too. If you sit back and max out you wont do well, but you dont have to, and such behavior was suicide for toss players for a very long time (playing no rush 20) tbh blizzard was stupid to let bl/corr/infestor remain so strong for so long and waitting until hots. If they had been smart they would have nerfed it, buffed zerg mid game units to compensate and it would have been better then just let it remain broken as shit till hots -_-. | ||
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BryanSC
United States455 Posts
On March 05 2013 14:58 Cyro wrote: The answer to BL, Infestor for a year or so was just dont let zerg get there ^^ Z has a lot of very good tools in HOTS, ultras, banes, vipers are strong. I dont know why speed hydras were nerfed really hard (in battle reports they gained +50% speed from muscular augments.. not +25% or +30%) but hydras are still pretty good in some compositions too. If you sit back and max out you wont do well, but you dont have to, and such behavior was suicide for toss players for a very long time (playing no rush 20) Which was a terrible answer that made for long, boring, and predictable games. In HOTS it's too early to tell, but it if does mean "don't let protoss get to this point" and the game stagnates like it did in WoL then it is just bad design once again. | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4535 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
As the game progresses more and more to that point, it'll be more readily apparent as an issue requiring attention, and blizzard will be forced to act. Provided a reasonable solution is still not found. Who knows maybe mass infestors will once again be the solution, or queens, or a hydra based army | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
On March 05 2013 09:12 blade55555 wrote: Took them forever to nerf terran in wol to at the beginning  .True but it took them 3 months to kill them later on Seriously though, I believe that NOT rushing anything is a good idea... | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
 far too much a focus on balance. I largely blame the community for that. | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7997 Posts
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
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BryanSC
United States455 Posts
On March 05 2013 17:03 BakedButters wrote: Comparison of blink stalkers to medicac afterburners is unfair, because u still need an upgrade for blink. Medicacs need nothin. They automatically are able to be abused without cost I feel as though the cooldown is too short at the moment for such a powerful ability that requires no research. Increase the cooldown or disable healing while under the effects of afterburn. | ||
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
On March 05 2013 16:29 Liquid`Ret wrote: How can there be nothing on the widow mine? My thoughts exactly. As a Terran I haven't lost to a single Zerg while using it, aside from making a huge mistake macro-wise against Roach/Hydra/Viper- and even that takes a heck of a lot of resources, still takes an awful lot of damage from Widow Mines, and Bio + a couple supporting Tanks just crush it. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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algue
France1436 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On March 05 2013 16:43 Douillos wrote: True but it took them 3 months to kill them later on Seriously though, I believe that NOT rushing anything is a good idea... Well took till may of 2012 to "kill" them . That is a lot longer then 3 months  | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12057 Posts
On March 05 2013 16:29 Liquid`Ret wrote: How can there be nothing on the widow mine? What's wrong with the widow mine? (Just to let you know, I'm not whining or saying you're wrong or anything, just genuinly interested in what you think is wrong with it). | ||
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