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Destiny: Own3d paying streamers late, not fulfilling contr…
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marcjpb
Canada64 Posts
Karma is a bitch lol. | ||
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costinii
Portugal59 Posts
Teamliquid is very important because it gives voice to the community in these situations. Confirming this is true, I will not ever again visit Own3d nor will I watch, stream or mention this brand to anyone who is within my circle of friends. Well, the part of not fulfilling with contracts and all the lying will be mentioned as well. This seems just too bad to be true. This character, Oleg Kogut, seems to be a criminal. It is this kind of people that don't matter to our society. If he was to be killed or dead, I guess not many people would miss him and even some would be probably happy with it. I am sorry if I seem to hard on this character, but for me when you give your word, it is whole different level.. you break it, you are as good as dead (unless you have a strong motive to fail with your obligations, I do know that sometimes things don't go the way we planned.. but this trail of lies makes me really mad). Best of luck for the people who had this unlucky experience! Keep it strong! Cheers!  | ||
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TypeLex
Germany62 Posts
Still, overall Own3D staff was overall quite helpful especially regarding technical issues. From what I've gathered, the payments are not really in their hands, I was working in Dubai on similar deals and here's how it panned out every-time: Viewers see Adverts(Ads) on Streamer -> Agency (Own3D for example) collects all the statistics + Ads provider collects all the statistics -> Agency sends data to Ads Provider -> Ads Provider checks the data against its own Database -> *if* there are no issue, Ads Provider pays the Agency (It takes a long time) -> Agency pays Streamer It's not as straight forward as it looks and I personally think we should try to find a way to support initiatives like Own3D and TwitchTV, they really are pushing the industry in a new direction which is micro-advertizing, without them we'd have seen a lot of players go out of eSports already. None-the-less, there should be more transparency, but we all know how lawyers are in terms of Corporate Image so do we even want these guys to take the risk ? | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Ctone23
United States1841 Posts
Sorry to hear that this is an ongoing problem. Perhaps you professional gamers need some serious legal backing moving forward, I don't think these contracts are iron clad, at all. Would love to speak more on the issue if anyone is interested. Good Luck, Destiny. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On January 18 2013 21:42 HornyHerring wrote: Let the witchhunt begin. *facepalm* This really needs to stop. People throw the term "witchhunt" around far too often inappropriately on here. Witchhunting is when people are digging around to undermine others because of their point of view under the pretext of searching for illicit activity. It is when the search for wrongdoing is ABUSED. It ISN'T genuinely looking into illicit activity or going after someone who has actually done something. When people were complaining about Stephano's offensive "jokes"? That wasn't witchhunting because he'd actually done something that didn't even need searching to find out about. Nor were the various Destiny things this past year, he'd actually done them and they turned up. Going back to Brood War, the Match Fixing Scandal being found out was the result of digging around; but that wasn't a witchhunt against sAviOr or any of the others involved, it was a genuine investigation into suspicions. Regardless of what you think of any of them or their outcomes none of these things were "witchhunting" because in every case people were punished only because they'd DONE stuff. Not just "convicted" based on an accusation. This isn't a witchhunt. Own3d has done something blatantly wrong without explanation. Its not people digging into their business practices trying to make Own3d look bad, they've done that perfectly well by themselves. | ||
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jdsowa
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govie
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Grettin
42414 Posts
On January 18 2013 23:26 1handsomE wrote: Destiny is a scumbag. If anyone else were to be the main face of this I would consider supporting. Destiny is self-centered and finds it fun to do these kinds of things. He has a job in this business not because he is good, but because people watch his stuff because its controversial. Please, stop watching and supporting this esports villain. Does it even matter WHO is the "face" of all of this? It concerns many involved with Own3d, from Starcraft II players to LoL and Dota 2 players. Just read the damn thread and you'll see how many, most likely familiar people for you too, are or has been involved with the same shit own3d has done. | ||
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Legat0
United States318 Posts
On January 18 2013 23:26 1handsomE wrote: Destiny is a scumbag. If anyone else were to be the main face of this I would consider supporting. Destiny is self-centered and finds it fun to do these kinds of things. He has a job in this business not because he is good, but because people watch his stuff because its controversial. Please, stop watching and supporting this esports villain. User was warned for this post I'm sure if Destiny wasn't the main "face" of this, you would still complain regardless because of his involvement. | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On January 18 2013 21:24 Nyarly wrote: Where did you read i dislike the man ? This thread is posted in the Starcraft 2 > SC2 General forum. Destiny isn't playing sc2 anymore and this isn't sc2 related. Hence, who the hell care to read about DESTINY FINANCIAL PROBLEMS in this part of teamliquid (SC2 GENERAL)? I'm happy for you if you like to hear about the guy, but SC2 general forum shouldn't be the place to find info about him. way to not be man enough to stand up for your own words... we all know what you meant, Destiny is still a name connected with sc2, and on top of other things, this is mostly important for sc2players who use own3d. | ||
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
On January 18 2013 23:35 Ctone23 wrote: Hmm. Reading that article it appears that Destiny breached his contract by switching streaming platforms before his contract was up. It seems kind of fishy that he would not demand payment from accounting or from some higher form of "brass" within the organization. For him to just leave and go over to Twitch without telling them,(while I haven't read the contract in full) breaches any contract he had, and therefore "might" negate payment of any sort, despite the original payment being late. From that point it becomes a legal matter in accruing previous payments owed. Sorry to hear that this is an ongoing problem. Perhaps you professional gamers need some serious legal backing moving forward, I don't think these contracts are iron clad, at all. Would love to speak more on the issue if anyone is interested. Good Luck, Destiny. You can break the contract when the other party isn't deliverying on the terms and you advise them of this. Destiny didn't do anything wrong. | ||
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tuestresfat
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On January 19 2013 00:08 NEEDZMOAR wrote: way to not be man enough to stand up for your own words... we all know what you meant, Destiny is still a name connected with sc2, and on top of other things, this is mostly important for sc2players who use own3d. Since when did not caring about someone become disliking someone? | ||
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Savagewood
United States84 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On January 18 2013 23:26 1handsomE wrote: Destiny is a scumbag. If anyone else were to be the main face of this I would consider supporting. Destiny is self-centered and finds it fun to do these kinds of things. He has a job in this business not because he is good, but because people watch his stuff because its controversial. Please, stop watching and supporting this esports villain. User was warned for this post I cannot believe such ignorance still exists on these boards. This man was supposed to be temporarily banned, not just warned. First of all, who Destiny is has NOTHING to do with the problem at hand, even though I do not agree with your views on Destiny and think they are all blind hate. He has a job not because he's good at the game? Why does that matter? Streaming is entertainment, whether you provide that with skill or other ways is completely irrelevant. Destiny has also gone from 1300 Elo to 1900 in the span of 2 months, which is a considerable improvement that anyone should be proud of. Whether or not he has the skill to compete with the pros remains to be seen, but - again, it does't matter. There are plenty streamers who get ridiculous viewer counts and are helping ''e-sports'' without competing (wingsofdeathx comes to mind, consistently gets 15k-20k viewers) Also, why the hell are you even calling Destiny a villain? Has he done anything (apart from acting like a dick and not caring what little men think) to deserve being called a villain? Has he stolen anybody's money? Has he done selfish things to hurt the industry for his own gains? Not feeling pity for Destiny is fine, but not caring about this subject simply means you care more about your own opinion that Destiny is a scumbag and that he should be hated more than you care about E-sports. You won't support support a legitimate claim and problem just because somebody you don't like is the one who brought it to light? People like you are the reason e-Sports cannot advance to higher levels. I apologize for this rant that makes me look like a fan boy. I was simply thrown off guard by the ignorance and close mindedness. | ||
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Atokad
United States204 Posts
On January 18 2013 23:31 TypeLex wrote: On the Type Gaming side, we did get our payments but indeed after a while. Still, overall Own3D staff was overall quite helpful especially regarding technical issues. From what I've gathered, the payments are not really in their hands, I was working in Dubai on similar deals and here's how it panned out every-time: Viewers see Adverts(Ads) on Streamer -> Agency (Own3D for example) collects all the statistics + Ads provider collects all the statistics -> Agency sends data to Ads Provider -> Ads Provider checks the data against its own Database -> *if* there are no issue, Ads Provider pays the Agency (It takes a long time) -> Agency pays Streamer It's not as straight forward as it looks and I personally think we should try to find a way to support initiatives like Own3D and TwitchTV, they really are pushing the industry in a new direction which is micro-advertizing, without them we'd have seen a lot of players go out of eSports already. None-the-less, there should be more transparency, but we all know how lawyers are in terms of Corporate Image so do we even want these guys to take the risk ? I understand what they are doing, and think it's great, but as an individual, I can't back anything they do if they don't legally fulfill their contracts. If it was just a minor discrepancy with one player, it'd be a different story. But to hear all of these professional gamers talk about how they haven't been paid, no way is there going to be a positive outcome of this for Own3D. There's a certain level of professional courtesy that is expected from anyone and everyone when going into a business transaction, and Own3D obviously hasn't lived up to theirs. It's great what they've provided for eSports, however at the cost of 6 months worth of backed up payments? No way would I stay at my job for 6 months if they were telling me that I'd be getting paid in 2 weeks for what I earned 6 months ago, with no mention of the other 5 months or fixes to the problems I have just doing my job. I'd be more than happy to quit that company and take my skill set to their rival company across the street (TwitchTV) and resume my career where they actually pay their employees. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
Also, why the hell are you even calling Destiny a villain? Has he done anything (apart from acting like a dick and not caring what little men think) to deserve being called a villain? Is that not reason enough to be considered a villain? If you don't like someone's personality you aren't exactly going to be praising them whenever they make headlines. | ||
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figq
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On January 18 2013 22:15 NoobCrunch wrote: Real job > internets job I've always been skeptical of non-cash generating activities like playing SC2 and how people could get paid for their "work". you mean like the way banking and stockmarketing works? | ||
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