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On January 04 2013 07:43 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 06:54 TeeTS wrote:On January 04 2013 06:34 LittleAtari wrote:
TSL has always had issues in management. I feel like a lot of people have forgotten all the drama surrounding players leaving and their coach. A team doesnt fall apart because two players leave. Those players leave because the team isn't supporting them. That's not true at all. The team was financially hurt in the first point. Then seeing 2 key players leave, one of them being your major Star Man is a huge blow to a small team like TSL. It's pretty understandable to disband it at that point, because it would require some investment to make up for the departures of Polt and Revival while running the team. That investment would have to come directly out of the pocket of Coach Lee. And to see a major part of his key players leave the team again might have finally pushed him towards this decision. Its a matter of fact that the team has been surrounded with controversy for a while now and most of it centered around the coach. I'm sure he means well but is probably not fit for management. I hope he lands on his feet as a coach but never again should he be responsible for managing a team. I'll say this again, I'm glad TSL is finally gone. The remaining players can now go to a better team. Fascination over this poorly ran team has always been carryover fanboyism from their early days or the fact that they had immensely popular players like Polt.
You are only talking about famous players here, they will be fine with any teams. But you should be concerned with those names who never got a breakout performance, they will retire or switch to other games. Not enough market to carry all those players around.
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they are good players but all of them look like to be good person as well
sad day in starcraft 
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On January 04 2013 07:38 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 06:55 Odoakar wrote:On January 04 2013 05:15 Zenbrez wrote:On January 04 2013 05:01 Odoakar wrote:
I guess IM and ST will merge/joing Kespa teams and that will be it. Can't tell if serious. Why would anyone come up with such a conclusion? What's so hard to believe about this? Let's face it, long term only IM and ST seem financially stable out of all eSF teams, and right now it's a question whether GOM will have enough teams to run GSTL. Kespa teams at least seem financially ok, with a good marketing skills and scene positioning. What do you think IM/ST will do when there's no GSTL to gain exposure? They will apply for membership in Kespa and most likely get it and Team 8 and EGTL might not be participating for the long run. I only feel sad about GOM, they did so much for SC2 but now eSF scene seems falling apart and I feel Kespa teams will in the end be the only sc2 teams in Korea remaining. I also highly doubt FXO is going anywhere anytime soon, they have Euro/NA branches too so I sincerely doubt they're doing poorly.
As far as I know, the various FXO branches are separate SC2 teams, yet sponsored by the same big company. Similar to how 1000 teams are sponsored individually by Razer. FXO Korea seems to be here to stay with Leenock winning tournaments for them left and right.
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On January 04 2013 07:52 tiMelEfT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 07:43 Angelbelow wrote:On January 04 2013 06:54 TeeTS wrote:On January 04 2013 06:34 LittleAtari wrote:
TSL has always had issues in management. I feel like a lot of people have forgotten all the drama surrounding players leaving and their coach. A team doesnt fall apart because two players leave. Those players leave because the team isn't supporting them. That's not true at all. The team was financially hurt in the first point. Then seeing 2 key players leave, one of them being your major Star Man is a huge blow to a small team like TSL. It's pretty understandable to disband it at that point, because it would require some investment to make up for the departures of Polt and Revival while running the team. That investment would have to come directly out of the pocket of Coach Lee. And to see a major part of his key players leave the team again might have finally pushed him towards this decision. Its a matter of fact that the team has been surrounded with controversy for a while now and most of it centered around the coach. I'm sure he means well but is probably not fit for management. I hope he lands on his feet as a coach but never again should he be responsible for managing a team. I'll say this again, I'm glad TSL is finally gone. The remaining players can now go to a better team. Fascination over this poorly ran team has always been carryover fanboyism from their early days or the fact that they had immensely popular players like Polt. You are only talking about famous players here, they will be fine with any teams. But you should be concerned with those names who never got a breakout performance, they will retire or switch to other games. Not enough market to carry all those players around.
True, but its also possible that TSL limited their potential for exposure to begin with. I don't mean in a malicious way, they just didn't have the resources to do so. So in that way, I think the lesser known players now have a chance to start over and earn success (assuming they deserve it.)
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strange day today with all the news....
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If Center doesn't manage to make it into Code S in the U&D, I don't think he'll be able to find a team.
Shine and Ragnarok will have a hard time as well. And Value? The only place I've even seen him play is the IPTL. If there are other players, well... that tells you how much of a chance they will have.
The only safe players are Hyun and Symbol.
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On January 04 2013 07:56 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 07:38 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 04 2013 06:55 Odoakar wrote:On January 04 2013 05:15 Zenbrez wrote:On January 04 2013 05:01 Odoakar wrote:
I guess IM and ST will merge/joing Kespa teams and that will be it. Can't tell if serious. Why would anyone come up with such a conclusion? What's so hard to believe about this? Let's face it, long term only IM and ST seem financially stable out of all eSF teams, and right now it's a question whether GOM will have enough teams to run GSTL. Kespa teams at least seem financially ok, with a good marketing skills and scene positioning. What do you think IM/ST will do when there's no GSTL to gain exposure? They will apply for membership in Kespa and most likely get it and Team 8 and EGTL might not be participating for the long run. I only feel sad about GOM, they did so much for SC2 but now eSF scene seems falling apart and I feel Kespa teams will in the end be the only sc2 teams in Korea remaining. I also highly doubt FXO is going anywhere anytime soon, they have Euro/NA branches too so I sincerely doubt they're doing poorly. As far as I know, the various FXO branches are separate SC2 teams, yet sponsored by the same big company. Similar to how 1000 teams are sponsored individually by Razer. FXO Korea seems to be here to stay with Leenock winning tournaments for them left and right.
while separate branches, they aren't as separate as they used to be (when it was imba.FXO). They are much more together now.
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On January 04 2013 08:01 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 07:52 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 04 2013 07:43 Angelbelow wrote:On January 04 2013 06:54 TeeTS wrote:On January 04 2013 06:34 LittleAtari wrote:
TSL has always had issues in management. I feel like a lot of people have forgotten all the drama surrounding players leaving and their coach. A team doesnt fall apart because two players leave. Those players leave because the team isn't supporting them. That's not true at all. The team was financially hurt in the first point. Then seeing 2 key players leave, one of them being your major Star Man is a huge blow to a small team like TSL. It's pretty understandable to disband it at that point, because it would require some investment to make up for the departures of Polt and Revival while running the team. That investment would have to come directly out of the pocket of Coach Lee. And to see a major part of his key players leave the team again might have finally pushed him towards this decision. Its a matter of fact that the team has been surrounded with controversy for a while now and most of it centered around the coach. I'm sure he means well but is probably not fit for management. I hope he lands on his feet as a coach but never again should he be responsible for managing a team. I'll say this again, I'm glad TSL is finally gone. The remaining players can now go to a better team. Fascination over this poorly ran team has always been carryover fanboyism from their early days or the fact that they had immensely popular players like Polt. You are only talking about famous players here, they will be fine with any teams. But you should be concerned with those names who never got a breakout performance, they will retire or switch to other games. Not enough market to carry all those players around. True, but its also possible that TSL limited their potential for exposure to begin with. I don't mean in a malicious way, they just didn't have the resources to do so. So in that way, I think the lesser known players now have a chance to start over and earn success (assuming they deserve it.)
Well, If one of the weaker players would have improved enough in skill (and for this no money is needed) he would have had a chance to make a showing in GSL. If a player is of sufficiently high skill he will get exposure eventually. And TSL was not limiting the skill growth of it's players.
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This is unfortunate because TSL seemed to rebuild quite strong after they lost aLive, PuMa, JYP, etc. Should be interesting to see where Hyun and Symbol go.
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Well crap.
For a team that had so much outstanding talent and the difficulty to keep it, I knew it was a matter of time for TSL.
Makes you wonder how good they would've been as a team if none of the people that moved on actually left. They're one of the teams that produced the most talented players in the game.
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On January 04 2013 05:14 Fionn wrote:
I'm going to write a Final Edit about this.
TSL had such an amazingly weird history. There were three distinct generations, tons of controversy, and lots of ups and downs. I don't know when I will write it or when it'll be out, but this team deserves something written about them in full. TSL was never a GSTL champion, but they will not be forgotten.
Please do so, I will forever cherish the article as a part of TSL's history. Though it was never the most successful, it holds in the hearts of so many people.
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bad way to start of 2013 ....
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For some reason im not surprised.
TSL, you're name will live on as a good team.
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On January 04 2013 08:19 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 08:01 Angelbelow wrote:On January 04 2013 07:52 tiMelEfT wrote:On January 04 2013 07:43 Angelbelow wrote:On January 04 2013 06:54 TeeTS wrote:On January 04 2013 06:34 LittleAtari wrote:
TSL has always had issues in management. I feel like a lot of people have forgotten all the drama surrounding players leaving and their coach. A team doesnt fall apart because two players leave. Those players leave because the team isn't supporting them. That's not true at all. The team was financially hurt in the first point. Then seeing 2 key players leave, one of them being your major Star Man is a huge blow to a small team like TSL. It's pretty understandable to disband it at that point, because it would require some investment to make up for the departures of Polt and Revival while running the team. That investment would have to come directly out of the pocket of Coach Lee. And to see a major part of his key players leave the team again might have finally pushed him towards this decision. Its a matter of fact that the team has been surrounded with controversy for a while now and most of it centered around the coach. I'm sure he means well but is probably not fit for management. I hope he lands on his feet as a coach but never again should he be responsible for managing a team. I'll say this again, I'm glad TSL is finally gone. The remaining players can now go to a better team. Fascination over this poorly ran team has always been carryover fanboyism from their early days or the fact that they had immensely popular players like Polt. You are only talking about famous players here, they will be fine with any teams. But you should be concerned with those names who never got a breakout performance, they will retire or switch to other games. Not enough market to carry all those players around. True, but its also possible that TSL limited their potential for exposure to begin with. I don't mean in a malicious way, they just didn't have the resources to do so. So in that way, I think the lesser known players now have a chance to start over and earn success (assuming they deserve it.) Well, If one of the weaker players would have improved enough in skill (and for this no money is needed) he would have had a chance to make a showing in GSL. If a player is of sufficiently high skill he will get exposure eventually. And TSL was not limiting the skill growth of it's players.
Yeah, in the end they are ultimately in charge of where they take their careers.
Wasn't implying that TSL limits a players growth in terms of skill level, but rather TSL, like any other ESF team, fail to promote their players. So the exposure of lesser known players are virtually nonexistent. And again, its not necessarily TSL's intention, but never the less, they failed to do it.
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If HotS isn't a big hit, I expect more SC2 teams to vanish...
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On January 04 2013 08:18 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 07:56 SupLilSon wrote:On January 04 2013 07:38 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 04 2013 06:55 Odoakar wrote:On January 04 2013 05:15 Zenbrez wrote:On January 04 2013 05:01 Odoakar wrote:
I guess IM and ST will merge/joing Kespa teams and that will be it. Can't tell if serious. Why would anyone come up with such a conclusion? What's so hard to believe about this? Let's face it, long term only IM and ST seem financially stable out of all eSF teams, and right now it's a question whether GOM will have enough teams to run GSTL. Kespa teams at least seem financially ok, with a good marketing skills and scene positioning. What do you think IM/ST will do when there's no GSTL to gain exposure? They will apply for membership in Kespa and most likely get it and Team 8 and EGTL might not be participating for the long run. I only feel sad about GOM, they did so much for SC2 but now eSF scene seems falling apart and I feel Kespa teams will in the end be the only sc2 teams in Korea remaining. I also highly doubt FXO is going anywhere anytime soon, they have Euro/NA branches too so I sincerely doubt they're doing poorly. As far as I know, the various FXO branches are separate SC2 teams, yet sponsored by the same big company. Similar to how 1000 teams are sponsored individually by Razer. FXO Korea seems to be here to stay with Leenock winning tournaments for them left and right. while separate branches, they aren't as separate as they used to be (when it was imba.FXO). They are much more together now.
Ah I didnt realize that, thanks! And to those worried, TSL will go down in SC2 history at least for Fruitdealer lol
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On January 04 2013 08:18 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 07:56 SupLilSon wrote:On January 04 2013 07:38 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 04 2013 06:55 Odoakar wrote:On January 04 2013 05:15 Zenbrez wrote:On January 04 2013 05:01 Odoakar wrote:
I guess IM and ST will merge/joing Kespa teams and that will be it. Can't tell if serious. Why would anyone come up with such a conclusion? What's so hard to believe about this? Let's face it, long term only IM and ST seem financially stable out of all eSF teams, and right now it's a question whether GOM will have enough teams to run GSTL. Kespa teams at least seem financially ok, with a good marketing skills and scene positioning. What do you think IM/ST will do when there's no GSTL to gain exposure? They will apply for membership in Kespa and most likely get it and Team 8 and EGTL might not be participating for the long run. I only feel sad about GOM, they did so much for SC2 but now eSF scene seems falling apart and I feel Kespa teams will in the end be the only sc2 teams in Korea remaining. I also highly doubt FXO is going anywhere anytime soon, they have Euro/NA branches too so I sincerely doubt they're doing poorly. As far as I know, the various FXO branches are separate SC2 teams, yet sponsored by the same big company. Similar to how 1000 teams are sponsored individually by Razer. FXO Korea seems to be here to stay with Leenock winning tournaments for them left and right. while separate branches, they aren't as separate as they used to be (when it was imba.FXO). They are much more together now.
My point is that FXO as a company wouldn't (at least in my eyes) invest in two additional teams if FXO.Korea wasn't in good shape financially
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I feel so bad for TSL, I wonder what actually happend there players kept leaving/taken away after they became famous.
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Wow, I really liked TSL. Didn't think they were having such a rough time, especially with their past players achievements.
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On January 03 2013 17:28 Patate wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 17:26 Insoleet wrote:
wtf is happening nowadays... tsl.... parting.... strange beginning of the year.... If you think the end of 2012 was bad for SC2.. wait for the end of 2013. I don't see things doing better than what they were back in 2011.
Hopefully HotS will drive up viewer numbers and team popularity. I also think Korean players should start streaming more to help stay afloat.
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